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snailz
Croatia900 Posts
but what he said to Sundance was correct. i mean, he ridiculed the guy wanting to look like he's doing something special for "esports", while he was actually asking for more money. what is wrong with that? saying "Uhhh if you give me a million dollars I will raise the prizepool??? Wow! That is amazing!" fits perfectly. incontrol only said it like it is. sorry sundance. p.s. mlg prize pool for starcraft2 is shamefull. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On July 31 2011 09:50 SC2Joker wrote: isnt the first place prize at Anaheim 5,000...is that some kind of joke or something. If (though failing at) incontrols point was that MLG is this big and have the smallest prize pool... hmmm I could be completely wrong on everything too Edit: would getting second even pay for the trip out there... probs not Prizes are pretty heavily weighted towards the yearly national championship, which players are also currently battling for seeded spots. The prize pool for that is 10x the size. | ||
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tyCe
Australia2542 Posts
On July 31 2011 09:51 snailz wrote: i dont like incontrol, in fact i very much dislike him. i think he's a troll that thinks too highly of himself, that happened to get a lot of attention because of this failed tournament called NASL. but what he said to Sundance was correct. i mean, he ridiculed the guy wanting to look like he's doing something special for "esports", while he was actually asking for more money. what is wrong with that? saying "Uhhh if you give me a million dollars I will raise the prizepool??? Wow! That is amazing!" fits perfectly. incontrol only said it like it is. sorry sundance. p.s. mlg prize pool for starcraft2 is shamefull. Yeah, but these are like mini-tournaments though. I think MLG must spend a lot of money running the event with proper production and adequate infrastructure etc. I do think that they should devote more of their budget to the prize-pool, but why does that matter when sponsors are willing to send their players there anyway? It's not like we're lacking in big names. Hopefully, next year MLG will increase the prize-pool overall though, so players like DIMAGA and Kas, etc. might come over to compete as well. I much prefer having like 6 (?) MLGs a year with practically the best players in the world competing, and a fantastic streaming service and great crowd ambience than to have a poorly produced, poorly run tournament, happening only 3 times a year, and with heaps of errors because all the money was given to the prize pool. iNcontroL is quick to criticise other tournament organisers but his own NASL actually has a lot to learn from MLG. The prize pool is low, but that doesn't matter if the sponsors are still willing to send their players. There is literally nothing wrong with MLG's model until/unless players decide not to go since the prize pool is too low. It is not for the spectators to complain (not referring to iNcontroL here). | ||
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Teejing
Germany1360 Posts
, because 1) there is so much stuff around the games. MLG pays so much for everything...salaries, fees etc. that i would not be suprised if only >5% end up in the prizepool. Does not look efficient to me 2) MLG is not only Sc2 .... If you enjoy all their games halo, Coh and whatever game comes next then sure go support them, but i guess 90% on TL are only interested in sc2... TL dr (< no idea what that means) : sc2 is only 1 of 3 games in mlg and out of your money only >5% ( i guessed out of the blue) goes to the players. Is it the toureys or players we want to support? | ||
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snailz
Croatia900 Posts
 i actually think his response was very baller, i like when someone has a vision and doesnt mind getting his hands dirty to see it through. khmfxobosskhm im just not sure it is the right way... | ||
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firehand101
Australia3152 Posts
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Teejing
Germany1360 Posts
anybody knows how much % comes from member compared to sponsors? | ||
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Slider954
United States342 Posts
On July 31 2011 10:31 Teejing wrote: yea, if i knew 50% of my membership money goes to the players i actually would start buying them ! anybody knows how much % comes from member compared to sponsors? It doesn't work that way. If you pay to go watch a sporting event or buy a team jersey, cap you don't decide how much of that money goes to player salaries. Same thing here, when you buy a membership you are supporting esports as a whole, not just one specific part. Edit: And to answer your earlier post about if MLG is the tourney/games I want to support, absolutely it is, all of it. | ||
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Teejing
Germany1360 Posts
It just does not sit well with me when everybody want money for esports and less then 10% reaches the players that is all. | ||
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Slider954
United States342 Posts
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SeigO
United States11 Posts
It would be different if Sundance set the goal as 150k concurrent viewers or 30 million totals views etc.... like a general way to show your support and the MLG's growth. But offering to raise the prize pool for 1 million dollars is absurd and just guarantees that I'll keep paying for GSL and never for an MLG. I guess ad revenue doesn't exist this thread has inspired me to look into adblocker. | ||
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greyarea
Australia31 Posts
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Badboyrune
Sweden2247 Posts
On July 31 2011 10:28 Teejing wrote: I do not pay for esports so maybe my opinion does not weight as much, but i think people should consider to put their money elsewhere ( my tip would be homestorycup, because even though the host is goofy, the atmosphere is breathtakingly amazing....offtopic already....) , because 1) there is so much stuff around the games. MLG pays so much for everything...salaries, fees etc. that i would not be suprised if only >5% end up in the prizepool. Does not look efficient to me 2) MLG is not only Sc2 .... If you enjoy all their games halo, Coh and whatever game comes next then sure go support them, but i guess 90% on TL are only interested in sc2... TL dr (< no idea what that means) : sc2 is only 1 of 3 games in mlg and out of your money only >5% ( i guessed out of the blue) goes to the players. Is it the toureys or players we want to support? How about both? Without tournaments there won't be any players to support, so saying that you don't want to support tournaments only players is flat out stupid. | ||
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oOOoOphidian
United States1402 Posts
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Ghozt
United States14 Posts
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Chargelot
2275 Posts
On July 29 2011 14:20 iNcontroL wrote: Uhhh if you give me a million dollars I will raise the prizepool??? Wow! That is amazing! This is why we can't have nice things. Firstly, I'd like to say that I'm writing this as a fan of yours. I'm probably your biggest fan, and you're going to have to deal with that for the rest of your E-Sports career. ♥ We all want E-Sports to be a successful, booming industry that blows the world away. I think we all forget sometimes that E-Sports is a business. There is no reason for anyone -- including Sundance -- to spend their time and money on something that will not be profitable. Facts:
Businesses, of all types, are about making money. Sundance gave us his goal. Told us what his business plan was. He was... transparent. Like we claim we would like to see others be when it comes to these things. 100,000 subscriptions sounds like a lot. But how many people watch the MLG events in a year? How many more will watch now that the GSL Exchange Program is in place? He wasn't saying "Give us $3,000,000 and we'll make the prize pool higher!" He was saying "I need to know E-Sports is a valid industry, and StarCraft 2 is a valid medium for E-Sports, before we move ahead with our support of it." This same type of goal has most likely been set by the GSL, NASL, and other organizations that offer subscription based services. But they haven't been made public. Also, we haven't been told (I believe) how many subscriptions they have sold. For all we know, we could be half way there, and the membership option hasn't even been around very long. At the end of the day, if you want E-Sports to be a successful industry, it will need to be a profitable one. To mock this, is to mock E-Sports itself. Is his goal of 100,000 people unreasonably high? I suppose we'd need to see MLG's full financial documentation to know. But if E-Sports doesn't have 100,000 consumers that are willing to pay, it will never be successful. Imagine any other industry that appealed to less than 100,000 people. It would fail in a week. Support E-Sports. Buy a GOMTV.net subscription. Buy a NASL Season 2 subscription. Buy an MLG Gold Pass. Sundance Fighting iNcontroL Fighting MLG Fighting E-Sports Fighting | ||
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UnknownReclaimer
United States146 Posts
On July 31 2011 13:57 Chargelot wrote: This is why we can't have nice things. Firstly, I'd like to say that I'm writing this as a fan of yours. I'm probably your biggest fan, and you're going to have to deal with that for the rest of your E-Sports career. ♥ We all want E-Sports to be a successful, booming industry that blows the world away. I think we all forget sometimes that E-Sports is a business. There is no reason for anyone -- including Sundance -- to spend their time and money on something that will not be profitable. Facts:
Businesses, of all types, are about making money. Sundance gave us his goal. Told us what his business plan was. He was... transparent. Like we claim we would like to see others be when it comes to these things. 100,000 subscriptions sounds like a lot. But how many people watch the MLG events in a year? How many more will watch now that the GSL Exchange Program is in place? He wasn't saying "Give us $3,000,000 and we'll make the prize pool higher!" He was saying "I need to know E-Sports is a valid industry, and StarCraft 2 is a valid medium for E-Sports, before we move ahead with our support of it." This same type of goal has most likely been set by the GSL, NASL, and other organizations that offer subscription based services. But they haven't been made public. Also, we haven't been told (I believe) how many subscriptions they have sold. For all we know, we could be half way there, and the membership option hasn't even been around very long. At the end of the day, if you want E-Sports to be a successful industry, it will need to be a profitable one. To mock this, is to mock E-Sports itself. Is his goal of 100,000 people unreasonably high? I suppose we'd need to see MLG's full financial documentation to know. But if E-Sports doesn't have 100,000 consumers that are willing to pay, it will never be successful. Imagine any other industry that appealed to less than 100,000 people. It would fail in a week. Support E-Sports. Buy a GOMTV.net subscription. Buy a NASL Season 2 subscription. Buy an MLG Gold Pass. Sundance Fighting iNcontroL Fighting MLG Fighting E-Sports Fighting It's things like this that make you one of my favorite posters on here Chargelot. On a side note, I will probably be buying a pass after this MLG. Mostly because I'm curious about how far we are already, and because I haven't gotten next weeks paycheck yet...lol. I've yet to buy a GOMTV pass, but I have for NASL. I'm not normally awake at 4 in the morning so I don't normally get to see the games lol. edit: Has anyone seen what they are offering for the pass? It's not like your getting hosed. There is a ton of awesome stuff with it, well worth the 30 bucks. | ||
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Blackk
South Africa226 Posts
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multiversed
United States233 Posts
much of the problem here is that we come from a nerd culture. a culture where people like mr. incontrol are untouchable from anything but vile verbal assaults behind aliases on the internet. don't you guys feel awkward when borderline homoeroticly assaulting someone from the shadows so often? you seem to care very deeply about geoff. to the point where you now have a huge interest in his religious beliefs, sexual encounters, weight, and personality. i feel you are entitled to not like the guy, but from that point on, i don't see why you think anyone gives a fuck what you think. back when we used to lynch people in america, it was always out of hate, of fear, and insecurity. never was it justified. no matter what the victim did. i don't view this as much different at it's core. for some reason the majority of you feel that if you directly insult incontrol, you are going to change him, or something beyond your control but within his. i assure you that this will never happen using those methods. whenever this bandwagon fires up i can't help but think of guys like westboro baptist. the truth is that people such as yourselves are just waiting for an excuse. it's become very transparent. people on the internet love a good argument. even if they have to piss lighter fluid on the fire. | ||
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Wren
United States745 Posts
On July 31 2011 14:13 UnknownReclaimer wrote: It's things like this that make you one of my favorite posters on here Chargelot. On a side note, I will probably be buying a pass after this MLG. Mostly because I'm curious about how far we are already, and because I haven't gotten next weeks paycheck yet...lol. I've yet to buy a GOMTV pass, but I have for NASL. I'm not normally awake at 4 in the morning so I don't normally get to see the games lol. You should definitely get the GOM, precisely because you aren't awake at 4am. The VOD system they have is phenomenal. | ||
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