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Volband
Hungary6034 Posts
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Talic_Zealot
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Grimjim
United States395 Posts
On August 01 2011 04:24 Talic_Zealot wrote: Why people give you shit, Sundance, is maybe because you continue to disrespect the game. A single player game with multiplayer capability, that will last only untill the next one comes out, like black ops has bigger prizes than the successor of the biggest esport ever. You basically sat in front of several veterans a while ago, not knowing shit about anything SC related, and said that you guys did it all best because you were supposedly the first in NA to do it. That was probably the most influential thing for my opinion . ..carelessly throwing halo rules in. You treat the game seems like it's some other FPS that will come, be popular for a while, you'll suck all the money you can, and it will die.. First of all that is super fucking stupid, and it also shows no respect to the game. Of course I cannot blame you, not a starcraft fan, but a halo one and you cannot respect something you don't understand. Of course because SC2 is probably the only game you have that will endure eventually you'll support it purely as a business move. I'm not trying to insult anyone that's just what image you have created for yourself in my mind. 1. Starcraft ll is now the main stage event. 2. You can't just willy nilly throw around prize money. If Black Ops suddenly became 10x more popular than Starcraft (which, to casual people, it is), and Sundance announced that some prize money from Starcraft would go to Black Ops to accommodate, would you be pissed off? Then don't do it to the Halo and Black Ops people. 3. Calling someone "super fucking stupid" and then later saying you aren't trying to insult them is, well, iNcontroL level hypocrisy. 4. Your rant has absolutely nothing to do with his announcement, and you are simply using this moment to flame someone and make your pants tighter. 5. He's done 10x more for the Starcraft community than you ever will. 6. I'm not trying to insult you, but your rant is super fucking stupid. | ||
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Mastertouch
United States136 Posts
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thepeonwhocould
Australia334 Posts
Every game of the tournament in vod form. Spoiler free. HD. With a good interface and video player. | ||
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snailz
Croatia900 Posts
On August 01 2011 05:54 Grimjim wrote: 1. Starcraft ll is now the main stage event. 2. You can't just willy nilly throw around prize money. If Black Ops suddenly became 10x more popular than Starcraft (which, to casual people, it is), and Sundance announced that some prize money from Starcraft would go to Black Ops to accommodate, would you be pissed off? Then don't do it to the Halo and Black Ops people. 3. Calling someone "super fucking stupid" and then later saying you aren't trying to insult them is, well, iNcontroL level hypocrisy. 4. Your rant has absolutely nothing to do with his announcement, and you are simply using this moment to flame someone and make your pants tighter. 5. He's done 10x more for the Starcraft community than you ever will. 6. I'm not trying to insult you, but your rant is super fucking stupid. actually, only a blind man wouldnt give sc2 main stage after columbus. so i dont know how much he's doing it for the community  | ||
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Alyoshka
United States10 Posts
On August 01 2011 06:10 thepeonwhocould wrote: I'll give MLG $30 as soon they give me a proper way to watch MLG vods. (Like what GSL has). Every game of the tournament in vod form. Spoiler free. HD. With a good interface and video player. This is largely a guess, but GSL, which is run by GOMtv, probably has their VODs in a video player because they're a company that makes software which includes a video player. MLG, NASL are gaming companies, not software companies. They're most likely not going to be able to afford licencing a video player, and certainly aren't able to develop one on their own. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On July 31 2011 13:57 Chargelot wrote: This is why we can't have nice things. Firstly, I'd like to say that I'm writing this as a fan of yours. I'm probably your biggest fan, and you're going to have to deal with that for the rest of your E-Sports career. ♥ We all want E-Sports to be a successful, booming industry that blows the world away. I think we all forget sometimes that E-Sports is a business. There is no reason for anyone -- including Sundance -- to spend their time and money on something that will not be profitable. Facts:
Businesses, of all types, are about making money. Sundance gave us his goal. Told us what his business plan was. He was... transparent. Like we claim we would like to see others be when it comes to these things. 100,000 subscriptions sounds like a lot. But how many people watch the MLG events in a year? How many more will watch now that the GSL Exchange Program is in place? He wasn't saying "Give us $3,000,000 and we'll make the prize pool higher!" He was saying "I need to know E-Sports is a valid industry, and StarCraft 2 is a valid medium for E-Sports, before we move ahead with our support of it." This same type of goal has most likely been set by the GSL, NASL, and other organizations that offer subscription based services. But they haven't been made public. Also, we haven't been told (I believe) how many subscriptions they have sold. For all we know, we could be half way there, and the membership option hasn't even been around very long. At the end of the day, if you want E-Sports to be a successful industry, it will need to be a profitable one. To mock this, is to mock E-Sports itself. Is his goal of 100,000 people unreasonably high? I suppose we'd need to see MLG's full financial documentation to know. But if E-Sports doesn't have 100,000 consumers that are willing to pay, it will never be successful. Imagine any other industry that appealed to less than 100,000 people. It would fail in a week. Support E-Sports. Buy a GOMTV.net subscription. Buy a NASL Season 2 subscription. Buy an MLG Gold Pass. Sundance Fighting iNcontroL Fighting MLG Fighting E-Sports Fighting Can I just repeat this part of your post for emphasis? You made a lot of great points, but this one puts it very succinctly. And yes, we support the tournaments in addition to the players - without tournaments like this one, all we'll have left are small homebrew online tournaments (MLG isn't the only tournament that needs to sell some number of subscriptions) - which means we don't have stuff that gets sponsors thinking E-Sports is worthwhile to invest in, which means players don't get sponsored. Sundance is awesome for being transparent on how he runs MLG - we should be respecting him for this, not trash-talking him. But I guess this is a reason that most businesses don't publicize their every business practice. | ||
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AdreN-
United States503 Posts
On July 31 2011 02:22 Jayrod wrote: I bought a membership to this for 3 months and now I wish I hadn't. half of what you pay for you dont even get. I can't even get the VODs to show up in HD quality. Then they take away replays. Then I find out I can no longer have both streams up in HD... its like give me a break. You dont sell a product, tell your customers its one thing, then give them something completely different. The one saving grace is the live quality on ultra is probably as good as anything else. Pretty much agree with all of this, except I paid for the $30 year membership.. | ||
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JiYan
United States3668 Posts
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murkk
Canada154 Posts
2) MLG doesn't compensate the players at all. I believe all the prize pool is derived from entry fees into the tourney. 256 open bracket players x $70 an entry = $17920 which is more than they pay out in prizes. 3) Players still come If MLG generates 3 million in revenue just from direct streaming revenue (not including commercials, ticket sales, concessions or sponsors), I still don't see why people feel they're obligated into making the prize pool better. No sporting organization has ever done this, which is why every league in the world has player unions to represent the players. The only reason, which is valid, is to get better caliber players to play in the tourney. I think it's pretty obvious that MLG would need to up the prize pool significantly in order to be a premiere league with the top players in the world willing to travel and play in North America. However, overall I think the business model of MLG is more like a LAN party than a rock concert. They players pay for their own prizes, and the fees from ticket sales and misc revenue was to pay for rent, salaries of the workers who organize it, streaming costs, equipment costs and marketing. | ||
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ICarrotU
United States254 Posts
On August 01 2011 05:54 Grimjim wrote: 1. Starcraft ll is now the main stage event. 2. You can't just willy nilly throw around prize money. If Black Ops suddenly became 10x more popular than Starcraft (which, to casual people, it is), and Sundance announced that some prize money from Starcraft would go to Black Ops to accommodate, would you be pissed off? Then don't do it to the Halo and Black Ops people. 3. Calling someone "super fucking stupid" and then later saying you aren't trying to insult them is, well, iNcontroL level hypocrisy. 4. Your rant has absolutely nothing to do with his announcement, and you are simply using this moment to flame someone and make your pants tighter. 5. He's done 10x more for the Starcraft community than you ever will. 6. I'm not trying to insult you, but your rant is super fucking stupid. I attended my first MLG at Anaheim and seeing the drastic difference in numbers between Black Ops/Halo spectators and Starcraft 2 spectators, I don't believe all the prize money should be equal. There were less than 50 spectators at Call of Duty 80-90% of the event; 3-4x that for halo and more than 50x that for SC2. SC2 is the obvious attention grabber here, more people are coming to see the SC2 players, why shouldn't they be rightfully awarded for their pull in attendance? I'm not ragging on Black Ops or Halo in the slightest, I just believe that fair is fair. | ||
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Mastertouch
United States136 Posts
On August 03 2011 15:47 ICarrotU wrote: I attended my first MLG at Anaheim and seeing the drastic difference in numbers between Black Ops/Halo spectators and Starcraft 2 spectators, I don't believe all the prize money should be equal. There were less than 50 spectators at Call of Duty 80-90% of the event; 3-4x that for halo and more than 50x that for SC2. SC2 is the obvious attention grabber here, more people are coming to see the SC2 players, why shouldn't they be rightfully awarded for their pull in attendance? I'm not ragging on Black Ops or Halo in the slightest, I just believe that fair is fair. i agree. black ops isn't going anywhere, MLG's gamebattles online league has the most black ops players/teams, yet the black ops event stream numbers/spectators/player numbers are the fcuking worst. I just don't see any growth in black ops at all. sc2 is just way too big right now. and its a shame that high level players like idra, drewbie, ect ect don't even get paid for making top 32 or top 16 or w.e.... this is slave money. sc2 deserves more with the stream numbers and spectators. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
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zaii
Guam2611 Posts
On August 03 2011 16:09 jmbthirteen wrote: Isn't the black ops money from sony? Yes, all the prize money for Black ops is from Sony and thats the only reason Black ops is on the circuit. If you guys want the prize pool to go up, Get the league pass or convince a sponsor to put money in the SC2 prize pool. nuff said | ||
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tuho12345
4482 Posts
On August 03 2011 15:47 ICarrotU wrote: I attended my first MLG at Anaheim and seeing the drastic difference in numbers between Black Ops/Halo spectators and Starcraft 2 spectators, I don't believe all the prize money should be equal. There were less than 50 spectators at Call of Duty 80-90% of the event; 3-4x that for halo and more than 50x that for SC2. SC2 is the obvious attention grabber here, more people are coming to see the SC2 players, why shouldn't they be rightfully awarded for their pull in attendance? I'm not ragging on Black Ops or Halo in the slightest, I just believe that fair is fair. If you see the Halo second station, there're about 20 ppl watched team like fnatic only. Just so damn small. SC2 audience is 5 times more than Halo and COD combined on the last day and still not even enough seats and places to watch the game. So eventhough I understand from the business view, I gotta say SC2 should add higher price money for the players that go all the way here. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On August 03 2011 16:16 tuho12345 wrote: If you see the Halo second station, there're about 20 ppl watched team like fnatic only. Just so damn small. SC2 audience is 5 times more than Halo and COD combined on the last day and still not even enough seats and places to watch the game. So eventhough I understand from the business view, I gotta say SC2 should add higher price money for the players that go all the way here. You gotta remember, when all this was planned out, sc2 hadn't exploded like this on MLG. There was a reason Halo was still center stage until Anaheim. | ||
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bull0563
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