Its amazing how quickly you ready to leap to incontrols defense and completely rationalize his hypocritical behavior at every turn, yet you aren't a white knight??

and BTW now he's 0-4 courtesy of Cruncher.

Sd9

United States26 Posts

July 30 2011 23:37 GMT

#882

On July 31 2011 08:34 Slider954 wrote:
Its amazing how quickly you ready to leap to incontrols defense and completely rationalize his hypocritical behavior at every turn, yet you aren't a white knight??

and BTW now he's 0-4 courtesy of Cruncher.

How does it make him hypocritical? He's not even with the NASL anymore.

This time I'm serious. No more posts. I can't handle this shit.

iNcontroL: even if you're 0-4 you're 4-0 in Idra's heart, remember that.

Grimjim

United States395 Posts

July 30 2011 23:39 GMT

#883

On July 31 2011 08:30 Sd9 wrote:

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He wasn't in the same position as the person he criticized, it was similar but nowhere near the same. Everything he said was valid. That picture is the perfect representation of the ignorance in this thread. Thank you for reposting it.

Hotbid criticizes NASL, Geoff is butthurt, says that criticizing other leagues is "not classy"

Geoff criticizes MLG, gets called out, claims it's perfectly fine to criticize other leagues.

Textbook hypocrisy. Stop white knighting, bro. See ya.

eNtitY~

United States1293 Posts

July 30 2011 23:44 GMT

#884

On July 31 2011 06:14 frozenrb wrote:
Yea, and games can be delayed 30 minuters due the "technical problems" and then can't wait 30 minutes? Are you kiding me ? Rules?

What you fail to realize is that the pro and open bracket run on much different time constraints. White-Ra was 20 minutes late and believe me no one wanted to have to DQ him, since we saw him earlier that day.

And it's not like it would make any sense to DQ players when MLGs having technical problems so that's a pretty bad conparison.

hdan

27 Posts

July 30 2011 23:46 GMT

#885

The logic in this thread is ridiculous, Sundance saying they need to sell more stream passes to raise the prize pool. Yeah because if he was making enough money to increase the prize pool he would just up and say no we've sold enough now, don't worry everyone, its not like he running a businesss which was created to make profit, its not for the glory of ESPORTS. Noone seems to want to debate over how much MLG spend on bringing over korean players, and generally not even the best koreans, just a random smattering, I cant wait for everyone to get wise to how little the pro themselves are being played and for them to say yeah MLG has a great atmosphere and crowd, but is it really worth it for such a huge number of players and so little prize pool to fight over, especially the europeans and koreans and koreans in the open bracket whos teams are spending so much to send them over for a small chance at a really small prize pool. Probably won't be until the end of the season though so everyone can take their shot at the big prize.

Im done wit hthis thread and topic til then everyone just seems to want to take a little snippet of whatever I post and argue over one small semantic rather than the main issue at hand being that the players deserve more more and compared to other international tournaments of this level MLG is by far the lowest paying.

crackcc

114 Posts

July 30 2011 23:46 GMT

#886

Geoff hasent done anything other then place low in his token seeded spot, while making money off Gosucoaching, gosuguide ( where people have been ripped off irl ).

Total biscuit uses his stream revenues to make more tourmaments, has a bunch of free vids on youtube.

- Geoff says he is a bad caster and in it for the money ... HYPOCRITE

Geoff uses a fuckload of swearwords and insults people pretty bad, as well as revealing embarassing things about their lives, mimics people in an offensive way.

- Geoff says destiny should act more manner and tries to get the community on a witchhunt to rid SC2 from people like that ... HYPOCRITE

Quetz

United Kingdom28 Posts

July 30 2011 23:48 GMT

#887

100k paid memberships is a bullet point on a presentation to potential sponsors. There is nothing to suggest that MLG depends on membership fees to stay in business or that the prize pool is directly affected by those fees. Sure it's affected, but indirectly as that headline number of 100k will be used to leverage more money from sponsors.

Morrisson

289 Posts

July 30 2011 23:48 GMT

#888

Geoff is plain bad at the game and his MLG seed due to the time where in performed well when nobody was playing the game yet. If he were to go down to the open, I'm note even sure he could make it today. And an Hypocrite. Time to go now.

Seventeen

United States8 Posts

July 30 2011 23:49 GMT

#889

On July 31 2011 08:39 Grimjim wrote:

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This. So far I haven't seen any credible defense for his hypocrisy. The people glorifying iNcontroL on the simple nuance that he wasn't personally responsible for NASL's failures seem to miss the point. His association with NASL is beside the point. He claims criticizing other leagues isn't classy and turns around and criticizes MLG. What a fucking child.

Rinnegan5

Netherlands319 Posts

July 30 2011 23:56 GMT

#890

Even though I like Incontrol as a person since he is pretty hilarious in some of the shows he has been on but his play at MLG is bitterly disappointing......lot of good that training did him

Skilledblob

Germany3392 Posts

July 30 2011 23:57 GMT

#891

I have a good idea which would not even involve buying HD passes.

just lower the price pool of Halo, compared to SC2 it is ridiculous

Sandro

897 Posts

July 30 2011 23:58 GMT

#892

On July 31 2011 08:57 Skilledblob wrote:
I have a good idea which would not even involve buying HD passes.

just lower the price pool of Halo, compared to SC2 it is ridiculous

What do people not get about Halo being a TEAM game. The prize pool is split between 5 players.

quRax

Korea (South)264 Posts

July 30 2011 23:59 GMT

#893

On July 31 2011 08:58 Sandro wrote:

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What do people not get about Halo being a TEAM game. The prize pool is split between 5 players.

Thought there were only four players ?

Seventeen

United States8 Posts

July 31 2011 00:00 GMT

#894

+ Coach, I'm pretty sure.

StarStruck

25339 Posts

July 31 2011 00:02 GMT

#895

boot camps are publicity. I didn't expect massive improvement at all from it. Even when they move into the new house in Bel Air, I highly doubt they will reap the rewards in big ways unless they take it incredibly seriously and do the time. Even then, meh so really I never expect anything much from such things. Sure, now they have PUMA but one player won't change the entire team chemistry.

starcraft911

Korea (South)1263 Posts

July 31 2011 00:02 GMT

#896

I find it interesting that he would propose this to the fans (stream buyers) rather than the advertisers. If you want to see your viewer count go up keep appealing to the fans. MLG is doing an amazing job of that so far so if they just keep focused on that everything else will work out nicely.

jonathan1

United States395 Posts

July 31 2011 00:13 GMT

#897

doesn't look like the EG party house has helped Geoff improve his starcraft skills

sylverfyre

United States8298 Posts

July 31 2011 00:47 GMT

#898

On July 31 2011 08:31 Sfydjklm wrote:

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but hotbit isnt the organizer of TSL he is just a guy who has sick obsing skills.

If only he had sick portal skills.

And as far as this topic goes... businesses need money to run. Sundance pretty strongly implied that if subscriptions reach 100,000, that money is going to support MLG in other ways than JUST a prize pool increase. Seriously now, MLG has not spared a single dime when it comes to fixing their shit and putting things together. Running huge events like this is neither easy nor cheap - they aren't exactly embezzling the money they have to work with. And the millions they have to run with this year is venture capital - meaning somebody [a collective somebody, most likely] invested in them and expects them to be a company that is capable of generating revenue to offset their expenses. I dare say that NASL didn't have anywhere NEAR the operating costs of MLG - convention centers are NOT cheap.

It's not a threat that Sundance makes when he says that if they can't reach 100k then he's going to have to lower prize pools next year - it's evidence that they will NOT be able to afford to continue spending money at the rate at which they currently do if they aren't generating close to enough revenue to offset it. Currently, their budget is ... $50m? 100k*30 is only 3m, in addition to showing advertisers that it's worth paying for ads (since they can show that there's a reasonable fraction of viewers that are not just looking to freeload.)

I'm buying my long-term pass (forget what they call it) once I get paid next. Just had to pay 6 months of car insurance. -.-;

Oh one more thing - @Sundance Oh, and one thing that'd be really cool, since they aren't releasing replays to the public? Can you release them to Premium members? That'd be awesome!!

Divergence

Canada363 Posts

July 31 2011 00:49 GMT

#899

I just bought a silver membership. Hope it help.

SC2Joker

United States63 Posts

July 31 2011 00:50 GMT

#900

isnt the first place prize at Anaheim 5,000...is that some kind of joke or something. If (though failing at) incontrols point was that MLG is this big and have the smallest prize pool... hmmm

I could be completely wrong on everything too

Edit: would getting second even pay for the trip out there... probs not