On July 31 2011 02:50 loiop wrote: Why is increased prize pool needed? Players are happily joining this tournament and player passes are sold out every single mlg. There's no competition either. Pro gamers are cheap they dont have many choices if they want to do this and pro gamers arent doing this for the tournament winnings. So why increase prize pool?
Because the prize pool has been a complaint since the season started. Many people have been bitching about the size of the prize pool and saying it should be bigger. So that's why the bigger prize pool was given as incentive.
On July 31 2011 05:14 Seventeen wrote: I hate Geoff "iNcontroL" Robinson with a fiery passion. Ever since BW he's been nothing but a malignant tumor in the body of the SC community.
You may dislike the way he presents himself, but "nothing but a malignant tumor" is totally crazy. He has been a skilled player, a member of State of the Game, and the organizer behind the NASL, just to name a few. If that isn't a contributor to the Starcraft community I don't know what is.
On July 31 2011 05:14 Seventeen wrote: I hate Geoff "iNcontroL" Robinson with a fiery passion. Ever since BW he's been nothing but a malignant tumor in the body of the SC community.
You may dislike the way he presents himself, but "nothing but a malignant tumor" is totally crazy. He has been a skilled player, a member of State of the Game, and the organizer behind the NASL, just to name a few. If that isn't a contributor to the Starcraft community I don't know what is.
I go to sleep and wake back up and there's even more hate towards iNcontroL. Good job, haters!
I think you guys needs to realize that the average person is not affected (or at least should not be affected) by Sundance's twitter post at all. The only thing his post pertains to is the professional gamers themselves. And if you want to narrow it down even more, only the few that win. What does it matter to us if the players who are already playing in the tournament right now get an extra 10k? It doesn't. That's the reason why his twitter post was bullshit. He's asking the community to buy into MLG and gives a reason that has nothing to do with the community. That's why iNcontroL posted what he posted, not because he's some crazy ultrabitch that you all make him out to be.
He cares about SC2 just as much as you do, if not even more. Like I said before. HE'S AT THE TOURNAMENT RIGHT NOW. HE'S PLAYING A GAME TODAY. Why the fuck would he trashtalk at the event while he's playing in it? I don't know, but you'll sure find a good reason for it, because that's what you do haters, you just create reasons out of thin air so that you can keep the hate train rolling.
Try harder haters. So far the validity of the arguments in this thread against Mr. controL is zero.
On July 31 2011 05:28 Sd9 wrote: I go to sleep and wake back up and there's even more hate towards iNcontroL. Good job, haters!
I think you guys needs to realize that the average person is not affected (or at least should not be affected) by Sundance's twitter post at all. The only thing his post pertains to is the professional gamers themselves. And if you want to narrow it down even more, only the few that win. What does it matter to us if the players who are already playing in the tournament right now get an extra 10k? It doesn't. That's the reason why his twitter post was bullshit. He's asking the community to buy into MLG and gives a reason that has nothing to do with the community. That's why iNcontroL posted what he posted, not because he's some crazy ultrabitch that you all make him out to be.
He cares about SC2 just as much as you do, if not even more. Like I said before. HE'S AT THE TOURNAMENT RIGHT NOW. HE'S PLAYING A GAME TODAY. Why the fuck would he trashtalk at the event while he's playing in it? I don't know, but you'll sure find a good reason for it, because that's what you do haters, you just create reasons out of thin air so that you can keep the hate train rolling.
Try harder haters. So far the validity of the arguments in this thread against Mr. controL is zero.
On July 31 2011 05:28 Sd9 wrote: I go to sleep and wake back up and there's even more hate towards iNcontroL. Good job, haters!
I think you guys needs to realize that the average person is not affected (or at least should not be affected) by Sundance's twitter post at all. The only thing his post pertains to is the professional gamers themselves. And if you want to narrow it down even more, only the few that win. What does it matter to us if the players who are already playing in the tournament right now get an extra 10k? It doesn't. That's the reason why his twitter post was bullshit. He's asking the community to buy into MLG and gives a reason that has nothing to do with the community. That's why iNcontroL posted what he posted, not because he's some crazy ultrabitch that you all make him out to be.
He cares about SC2 just as much as you do, if not even more. Like I said before. HE'S AT THE TOURNAMENT RIGHT NOW. HE'S PLAYING A GAME TODAY. Why the fuck would he trashtalk at the event while he's playing in it? I don't know, but you'll sure find a good reason for it, because that's what you do haters, you just create reasons out of thin air so that you can keep the hate train rolling.
Try harder haters. So far the validity of the arguments in this thread against Mr. controL is zero.
It has been a constant complaint to MLG that the prize pools are low... do a bit of searching... from your perspective, shouldn't NASL have taken a big hit to it's own prize pool since it doesn't matter to you that the 1st place player gets a significant amount of money?
This is not a ohh your tournament is bad, and so is everything you do. Its a "hey you are doing great, but here is what to improve."
For me there are a few things that MLG does alot better then most other leagues:
Live blog Replays released (sadly this is no and means I will rethink a project I had in mind) Twitter score updates.
While the video player MLG has is ok for quality, its still quite laggy at times and no its not my 20+mbit fiber connection. The video quality even at ultra is a bit blocky. You might have to look in to resolution vs. bitrate. Just having stuff in higher res isn't always the best.
NASL and dreamhack still wins the video quality war, NASL better on bitrate than dreamhack. Dreamhack better on lag issues.
But what annoys me the most about the MLG stream is that cupon code. Make it so I don't have to paste it in all the time, and let set a default quality. Each time when I change stream I have to switch from medium to high/ultra. The way NASL did it over justin works better.
I will most likely not signup for a membership, but I will get the HD stream pass. I have little interest in joining yet another Starcraft community site.
MLG could improve:
Faster stream switching, without having to having to change quality each time. (And add-in code). Bring back the replay packs. I don't mind waiting for them till after a lan is done, but don't remove something where you had something special going that no other tournament had. The website is quite a mess to navigate. Another reason why i'm not jumping in at a membership asap. Audio overpeaking from time to time. (Fx. qxc game on day2 helions sounded like they were shooting nukes). Maybe a bit better video player, quality of bitrate.
On July 30 2011 04:41 Leafren wrote: Isn't Incontrol the guy that's always arguing on podcasts that everyone should act professional at all times etc? I'd say comments like that don't live up to his own standards. I think it's evident Sundance tries to make esports work and grow, so if you don't agree with his methods at least discuss it in a grown-up manner.
Incontrol is pretty much the most perfect definition of a hypocrite you'll ever find. He makes racist remarks about Indians, makes jokes about rape, and commits numbers of other horrendous PR mistakes and then turns around the next minute and criticizes people for doing the same. Usually when someone brings it up he'll apologize and say that he's different and then be a total asshole the next day anyway.
The NASL, in my opinion, represented one of his biggest hypocrisies; he started with his poorly run showmatch between Idra and Jinro, then said the NASL would be much better. After the NASL was equally bad, he continued to encourage people to buy NASL passes to "support esports" as if a horribly ran league deserved charity from thousands of people simply because they casted videogames.
Incontrol leaves the sinking ship of the NASL after it's obviously failed after the first season and then starts committing more to being a professional gamer (which is ironic because he's an absolutely horrible player that basically relies on cheese to win his games). In a recent match casted by the IPL, he went forge expand with no nexus into 4gate into nexus and stargate simply because he can't win a straight up game and tries to rely on gimmicks to win instead (after all, there's a reason he's probably the most known 4gate/stargate user).
Then of course when he's supposedly now a professional gamer and a real organization that actually produces quality content encourages people to buy passes he turns around and mocks them because apparently the irony is completely lost on him.
It's not surprising that Inc is so religious because he displays the usual hypocrisy and immorality of religious leaders.
Anyway, that was more than enough about incontrol. Moving back to this whole MLG debacle; I would say I'm fine with Sundance's honesty in the numbers he needs but a little disappointed he chose to use twitter to express it, because it made him appear both shady and greedy.
On July 31 2011 05:41 Seventeen wrote: Please refer to sanddbox_tl's post if you're having trouble finding credible arguments for iNcontroL's assholery. + Show Spoiler +
On July 30 2011 04:41 Leafren wrote: Isn't Incontrol the guy that's always arguing on podcasts that everyone should act professional at all times etc? I'd say comments like that don't live up to his own standards. I think it's evident Sundance tries to make esports work and grow, so if you don't agree with his methods at least discuss it in a grown-up manner.
Incontrol is pretty much the most perfect definition of a hypocrite you'll ever find. He makes racist remarks about Indians, makes jokes about rape, and commits numbers of other horrendous PR mistakes and then turns around the next minute and criticizes people for doing the same. Usually when someone brings it up he'll apologize and say that he's different and then be a total asshole the next day anyway.
The NASL, in my opinion, represented one of his biggest hypocrisies; he started with his poorly run showmatch between Idra and Jinro, then said the NASL would be much better. After the NASL was equally bad, he continued to encourage people to buy NASL passes to "support esports" as if a horribly ran league deserved charity from thousands of people simply because they casted videogames.
Incontrol leaves the sinking ship of the NASL after it's obviously failed after the first season and then starts committing more to being a professional gamer (which is ironic because he's an absolutely horrible player that basically relies on cheese to win his games). In a recent match casted by the IPL, he went forge expand with no nexus into 4gate into nexus and stargate simply because he can't win a straight up game and tries to rely on gimmicks to win instead (after all, there's a reason he's probably the most known 4gate/stargate user).
Then of course when he's supposedly now a professional gamer and a real organization that actually produces quality content encourages people to buy passes he turns around and mocks them because apparently the irony is completely lost on him.
It's not surprising that Inc is so religious because he displays the usual hypocrisy and immorality of religious leaders.
Anyway, that was more than enough about incontrol. Moving back to this whole MLG debacle; I would say I'm fine with Sundance's honesty in the numbers he needs but a little disappointed he chose to use twitter to express it, because it made him appear both shady and greedy.
Wow you're right, that's a great argument. "He makes mistakes, so he shouldn't criticize people. The NASL is his fault. Also he's bad at Starcraft. Also, he's dumb because of religion lol."
People that make mistakes can still criticize others. The NASL wasn't his fault. He's not bad at Starcraft (he's not the best player in the world, but come on...he's competing at the highest level outside of GSL). And the last, extremely ignorant point with a crazy generalization of all religious people doesn't even deserve a response.
It has been a constant complaint to MLG that the prize pools are low... do a bit of searching... from your perspective, shouldn't NASL have taken a big hit to it's own prize pool since it doesn't matter to you that the 1st place player gets a significant amount of money?
Nope. The top players in the SC2 world are at MLG right now. The only time the prize pool should be considered is when they start boycotting the event. And I don't think that's going to happen any time soon considering the straight-to-code-a or straight-to-code-s options that the GSL has provided.
It has been a constant complaint to MLG that the prize pools are low... do a bit of searching... from your perspective, shouldn't NASL have taken a big hit to it's own prize pool since it doesn't matter to you that the 1st place player gets a significant amount of money?
Nope. The top players in the SC2 world are at MLG right now. The only time the prize pool should be considered is when they start boycotting the event. And I don't think that's going to happen any time soon considering the straight-to-code-a or straight-to-code-s options that the GSL has provided.
That first sentence just isn't true, there's a whole shit ton of great Koreans who could win this tournament who aren't there. That's not necessarily a problem, but clearly the event could be bigger, you don't have to wait for a boycott.
I'm sure that they'll increase the prize pool/expand the tournament when they feel it makes sense to do it financially. I'm also sure it will have nothing to do with boycotting, lol
I was much more inclined to pay for a MLG pass until this crap. Also. why are people hate'n incontrol again...? What Incontrol posted is just a humerous response to an outrageous post made by someone.
Sundance's initial post makes no sense. If they're able to increase the prize pools then they should do so, to appease the fans, and to make the even a bigger, larger thing. The general idea that if they get more subscribers, they will increase the prize pool makes sense. but what was posted just seems to antagonize fans.
It has been a constant complaint to MLG that the prize pools are low... do a bit of searching... from your perspective, shouldn't NASL have taken a big hit to it's own prize pool since it doesn't matter to you that the 1st place player gets a significant amount of money?
Nope. The top players in the SC2 world are at MLG right now. The only time the prize pool should be considered is when they start boycotting the event. And I don't think that's going to happen any time soon considering the straight-to-code-a or straight-to-code-s options that the GSL has provided.
So you don't want a raise at work unless you boycott your job? Is that seriously your stance on this?
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