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On July 27 2011 02:12 originalred04 wrote:
Yea I read that as well, but with all 3 of them gone their chances of getting a sponsorship does not increase. EG and Puma did nothing wrong, if your business model doesn't work you change it or go out of business.
i dont think the 3 of them will made any good publicity anyway
rain was quite disliked due his cheesing style
FD is the superslumping champion, he just got down to code A today
and tester, has yet to have a result
anyway I do hate EG
but does not think they're doing something wrong
but the way they do the bussiness
its just natural for some "naive" people like me (and others) to hate them
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I think Korean sponsors don't care about US fan base....what can they advertise to us? A. Don't speak the language at all, B. Couldn't buy their products.
Koreans are in Foreign tourny's cause that's were the money is at, and they have a great chance of winning.
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On July 27 2011 02:04 Fermats_last wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2011 02:00 Grimsong wrote:On July 27 2011 01:57 Fermats_last wrote:On July 27 2011 01:52 Grimsong wrote:On July 27 2011 01:48 Fermats_last wrote:On July 27 2011 01:38 originalred04 wrote:
@Fermats_last
In any major sport the stars usually end up in the major cities of that sport. Football, Futball, Baseball, Basketball etc small market teams thriving is the exception to the rule, not the rule. Those sports are viable because of the large markets, in this case TL, EG, OGS, Slayers etc.
Thank you EG for making SC2 more viable for the long term This works if EG was 'a big city' of good players. Rather than 'a big city' of mediocre players with virtually no recent results aside from Idra. They didn't even get into the play offs in their purely foreigner team leage, where TL OGS Slayers weren't even present. TSL has players infinitely better than Incontrol, Axslav, StrifeCro, etc. They just aren't lucky enough to have the sponsorship YET. Big city is big city, regardless of wins/losses. The Lakers struggled in the mid 2000's, were they not a big city still? Did they not still generate more revenue than the majority of those small market teams that are more or less dead end. When it comes to marketting and potential profits, is a player best of in an obscure market (IE Milwaukee Bucks), or in a booming market (IE Los Angeles Lakers)? Similarly, regardless of results, EG has a pretty large pull/swing in the E-Sports scene. Don't think they have influence? Check out the other 500 or so pages between all of these separate threads that have sprung up. Going Somewhere with more money and less skill. Is not going to help you improve as a player, it's just going to give you a bit more money, (which i'm sure he needs after winning $50k which TSL took 0% of). In a sport where your own skill can vastly depend on practice partners, this is a huge detriment. Is it not detrimental that all he does is play in Korea, with Koreans, in a Korean market that is floundering? While not being contracted by TSL? Come on. I heard it's wrong for Puma to want to maximize his profits, while still playing with the BEST PLAYERS THROUGHOUT THE WORLD, not just Korea. In tournaments such as MLG which garner a ton of attention and such. He's got a window to make money in the market as it is, EG needed another top tier player to partner with iDra. And he's still going to play against great gamers. His APM might go down 20 though. Oh no. The 'BEST PLAYERS THROUGHOUT THE WORLD' are in Korea, uh why would his APM go down? he just won't have a proper environment to practice in, he can't speak fluent english and they can't speak Korean so they can't talk strategies particularly well, and Idra is the only person on EG with a remotely(key word) similar skill level to Puma
Did you miss what Puma said?
"I am very happy to join EG. Also, Mr. Lee and I have spoken recently, and we are on very good terms. I will keep in touch with him regularly, and I will also continue practicing with my old TSL teammates and other top players. So, I think the fans and the community should not be upset about this. They should be happy about it and be supportive of EG. They are giving me an amazing opportunity, which I am very grateful for."
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@ Vertical
So can you give us a list of what you dislike about EG? What makes them unlikable Vs. any other team?
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EG did everything fine and TSL Lee managed to get hurt by the fact that his team seemed to be falling apart around him. Maybe he misunderstood what EG was trying to do by getting puma to talk directly to the coach first but that doesn't mean that they were poaching a player. Hence the reason why they took so long to actually sign a contract. Guarunteed that if another team did this the drama would be 50x less, but EG seems to have garnered a (perhaps unfair) reputation for being "that team" that everyone loves to hate. I for one love their attitude and will continue to support them for as long as I am an SC2 fan.
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On July 27 2011 02:16 Vertical wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2011 02:12 originalred04 wrote:
Yea I read that as well, but with all 3 of them gone their chances of getting a sponsorship does not increase. EG and Puma did nothing wrong, if your business model doesn't work you change it or go out of business. i dont think the 3 of them will made any good publicity anyway rain was quite disliked due his cheesing style FD is the superslumping champion, he just got down to code A today and tester, has yet to have a result anyway I do hate EG but does not think they're doing something wrong but the way they do the bussiness its just natural for some "naive" people like me (and others) to hate them
by that logic tsl is fucked anyway.
Its understandable that you dont like EG, emotions are hard to overcome and if your initial gut reaction is to hate the team that wont change anytime soon. At least you see this particular situation in an objective light.
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On July 27 2011 02:16 originalred04 wrote:
I think Korean sponsors don't care about US fan base....what can they advertise to us? A. Don't speak the language at all, B. Couldn't buy their products.
Koreans are in Foreign tourny's cause that's were the money is at, and they have a great chance of winning.
this was also true
but which one has bigger viewer ?
IPL or GSL ?
EG Master Cup or GSTL ?
i dont think foreign scene that exclude koreans having better viewer either
highest rated turnament all have foreigner vs korean matches
MLG, Dreamhack, NASL, etc
btw i see ur point about korean product dont need foreign exposure
they need more local viewers
anyway this getting of topic :D
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On July 27 2011 02:18 originalred04 wrote:
@ Vertical
So can you give us a list of what you dislike about EG? What makes them unlikable Vs. any other team?
He mentioned that he may be "naive." I think that says it all. He likes to cheer for the underdogs, dislikes the bad boy image, prefers honor over cutthroat business.
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On July 27 2011 02:21 Vertical wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2011 02:16 originalred04 wrote:
I think Korean sponsors don't care about US fan base....what can they advertise to us? A. Don't speak the language at all, B. Couldn't buy their products.
Koreans are in Foreign tourny's cause that's were the money is at, and they have a great chance of winning. this was also true but which one has bigger viewer ? IPL or GSL ? EG Master Cup or GSTL ? i dont think foreign scene that exclude koreans having better viewer either
highest rated turnament all have foreigner vs korean matches
MLG, Dreamhack, NASL, etcbtw i see ur point about korean product dont need foreign exposure they need more local viewers anyway this getting of topic :D
Thats why Puma going to EG is so exciting right? The foreign scene with koreans are that much more exciting. Foreign teams WITH top notch koreans means the future is bright.
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Once again, thank you EG for helping the long term future of a game I love!
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On July 27 2011 01:32 Fermats_last wrote:
Other than taking good players away from the teams that shaped them into good players what the fuck does EG do? It's entire mode of business is:
Wait for a small time team to create talent
Don't wait for long enough that the small time team is able to salary it's players well from the sponsorship the talented player can bring in from his big tournament wins.
Throw offers of large sums of money directly at the player who, because sponsorship and salaries have not been sorted out yet will see this as a great offer.
Sign new talented player
Leave Small time teams struggling to survive as just as they are about to become profitable their players are lured away from them.
Fuck the long term viability of the scene.
EG should really invest in it's own players rather than throwing money at other teams players untill they leave. Of course EG can offer a better deal to Puma right now, it's an already established business but if they gave it a month or two the extra money in sponsorship and tournaments Puma could bring in to TSL would rival that of EG's offer, they just don't give it a chance to happen.
Why does the whole message of fuck the long term viability of the scene keep getting tossed around?? Since when did getting better pay to the people who actually made the scene what it is = ruining the viability of programing??
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On July 27 2011 02:21 Angelbelow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2011 02:18 originalred04 wrote:
@ Vertical
So can you give us a list of what you dislike about EG? What makes them unlikable Vs. any other team? He mentioned that he may be "naive." I think that says it all. He likes to cheer for the underdogs, dislikes the bad boy image, prefers honor over cutthroat business.
thanks for clearing that up :D
as mentioning things I hate bout EG will be completely off topic
anyways I can only see this to have good implication for korean scene
they will took players needs more seriously
and could bring KESPA like association to be more aware of the issue
and players contract = strictker training = better players
so EG could be indirectly making huge changes toward future korean scene
but personally I will hate EG :D
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One notion I certainly got, from the way this statement was worded (the fact that there were SO many reiterations of a guiltless acquisition of Puma) is that Alex seemed to be convincing HIMSELF that he was innocent just as much as anyone else. Is the acquisition illegal? Certainly not. Puma was not contracted by TSL (a fundamental mistake). Is it unethical? Sure. I work with a lot of people in the indie music world and see this stuff all the time. A young artist hires a "manager" and gets scooped up by someone more legit based on the fact that this manager either had a poor agreement or NO agreement at all. The mere fact that EG is approaching PLAYERS and seeing if they, themselves can get out of their team situation is sketchy. Circumventing management in the entertainment world is highly illegal, and I think a situation like this just shows the mere youth of eSports in general. I do think that many teams will take a lesson from this whole scenario, but personally, (even without this whole PR debacle) the acquisition of Puma was sketchy if only by EG's means.
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I don't understand where this thread is going tbh.
I seriously can't beleive it went on for 59 pages.... so let me recap just in case I missed something:
1. EG tells PuMa (an uncontracted player) like 8 months ago that they would be interested in him
2. PuMa and EG agrees that PuMa needs to talk with Mr Lee
3. PuMa talked with Mr Lee cause "PuMa" made the decision to get contracted by EG (aka no one put a gun on him saying that he needed to leave TSL to join EG)
4. It gets on the interwebz
5. Shitstorm on EG for the bad manner and blah blah blah.... and a 59 pages post
I'm sorry but I can't see anything wrong in asking someone that hasn't signed any contract. He made a choice between a team that doesn't give him a dime to get in a team that will actualy pay him as a pro gamer. I'm sorry, but you're not a pro-gamer if you don't get paid for what you do!
Also... it was PuMa's choice all the way. EG only offered something. It's the kind of thing I'm used to see in Junior Hockey. If the player isn't contracted.... well the player can choose where they want to go... and most of the time they will go for the highest bidder. One day you can play for a team and the other day for another team till you get signed somewhere! Thats how thing goes!
If TSL wanted to keep PuMa, they only had to give a counter-offer.
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It's good to hear EGs side. Thanks to milkies for blowing it way out of proportion!
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Nothing unethical was done, what was unethical about this?? Coach Lee needs to grow a pair of balls and man up instead of being a little bitch! EG gains a great player, Puma gets more exposure and a ton more money, TSL learn to sigh your players, and get a sponsor so you can pay them.
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On July 27 2011 02:23 Angelbelow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2011 02:21 Vertical wrote:On July 27 2011 02:16 originalred04 wrote:
I think Korean sponsors don't care about US fan base....what can they advertise to us? A. Don't speak the language at all, B. Couldn't buy their products.
Koreans are in Foreign tourny's cause that's were the money is at, and they have a great chance of winning. this was also true but which one has bigger viewer ? IPL or GSL ? EG Master Cup or GSTL ? i dont think foreign scene that exclude koreans having better viewer either
highest rated turnament all have foreigner vs korean matches
MLG, Dreamhack, NASL, etcbtw i see ur point about korean product dont need foreign exposure they need more local viewers anyway this getting of topic :D Thats why Puma going to EG is so exciting right? The foreign scene with koreans are that much more exciting. Foreign teams WITH top notch koreans means the future is bright.
im personally dont really like mix between foreign team and korean player
it'll end up like
is moonan korean ?
is Huk foreigner ?
is select korean ?
is qxc foreigner?
korean should stay in korea
so the distinction between training in korea and not still exist
if PuMa trains with EG players
I dont think he'll get better then he currently is
but as a matter of fact, he'll stay in TSL house
which is weird considering how in rage Lee is
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I am football fan. This thing happen all the time. Player leave the team for better contract is not honorable but it is normal.
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now EG on the rise
your grandmaster terran wit the slanted eyes
holdin this mouse cocked the green and the shit
fucks no alex see half the dough
made puma into a star
pushin hundred thousand dollar cars
"We also made it very clear to each other that neither of us would be not be able to proceed with this recruitment unless TSL's coach was okay with it. In the weeks following NASL, PuMa and EG continued our discussion."
lol wut? Do you know what recruitment is? Not the best analogue but then maybe we need new words for a new paradigm. http://www.ncaa.org/wps/portal/ncaahome?WCM_GLOBAL_CONTEXT=/ncaa/ncaa/legislation and governance/eligibility and recruiting/faqs/recruiting
EG should prepare for a day without Greenfield because someone as nimble of thought will be poached for a real p.r. job eventually. Not going to watch anymore DJ Wheat shows either. I am however purchasing an MLG stream pass this weekend, and the past few week's drama is the major factor in that decision. People acting shady and in their own self-interest is unfortunately human nature, but in this case here is one wallet vote for NOT hurting e-sports. Need someone to boo as well (see: pro wrestling).
gl puma, swimming with the sharks now
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On July 27 2011 02:28 Konsume wrote:
I don't understand where this thread is going tbh.
It's because people have this ridiculously preconceived notion of some mythical "Korean respect" system that supposedly means that coaches control every aspect of your career.
Hilarious that so many people are crying about some upcoming draconian contract system, when apparently it's supposed to be in place by virtue of "respect".
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