EPTOn July 26 2011 23:25 h3nG wrote:
Decent explanation. Unfortunately, I am unable to put my emotions aside.
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Decent explanation. Unfortunately, I am unable to put my emotions aside.
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So you are '-1 ing' yourself?
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Zeri
United States773 Posts
So you are '-1 ing' yourself? | ||
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Copenap
723 Posts
On July 26 2011 23:39 Nightfall.589 wrote: Yet, he can't understand why an unpaid, uncontracted player isn't in any way obligated to say two words (Or put their future in his hands), if they wanted to leave? Or how an organisation that is no way indebted to him, can't negotiate on their own with an unpaid, uncontracted player? Again, if Coach Lee wanted to maintain the team, he could have contracted Puma. I was simply explaining why Fruitdealer and Tester left and why there was no uproar. Concerning contracting Pzma, I think it became pretty clear that you cant contract a player if you cannot offer anything to them due to the lack of sponsors. Now if you say "that is their problem and I dont care" then that is your oppinion but people might see that differently. | ||
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megaBICEPS
Canada79 Posts
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Oreo7
United States1647 Posts
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tdynasty
Canada220 Posts
Like everyone is talking about EG. When actually, this whole entire ordeal can be summed up by PUMA's Statment! He thanks EG for the Opportunity! EG simply stated interest in a Korean Terran (Understandable..... Idra needs a LoLterranpartner) PUMA was the one who showed interest, who felt like this was a worthwhile choice. He loved the NASL (It's obvious) and loved the foreign fans. So everyone talking about EG is just being immature hurt little girls. (Sorry for being so rude but internet attitudes are 95% biased and silly) TSL also played the Hurt Boyfriend. Going Behind Puma's back and openly stating that they are upset with the whole situation.... TSL has good reason to be frustrated, they have been trying to create a solid e-sports team and any loss of talent is painful. (It's understandable they would be upset) But the Truth about this whole issue, is it was 100% on Puma's sholders. He could have remained where he was, but he chose to change paths in a more golden path. He was on wonky payment plan, where nothing was consistent, EG offered stability and a large opportunity to grow himself in the foreign scene and stop focusing on the GSL etc. I for one, agree 100% and am fully 100% behind EG. I feel their pain of having to deal with thousands of responses and flank, every person who posted non-sense (Including Team Liquid Players) do NOT understand the situation and ARE BEING BIASED. Point end of Story. Look at Puma's Point of View and it becomes clear that this was blown out of proportion for many reasons. | ||
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Scarlet-
Sweden55 Posts
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NightAngel
United States144 Posts
On July 27 2011 00:02 Scarlet- wrote: More scumbag responses from Alex Garfield and the rest of EG. First saying iNcontroL had to leave SotG because of practice time, and not the sponsorship deals you didn't want to break. And now being a complete ass to the Korean gaming community, Milkis, and the rest of TL. More scumbag comments making a complete ass of the rest of TL. >_< | ||
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StiMMy
Canada96 Posts
Puma was on TSL, TSL obviously didn't care enough, or couldn't secure the financial means to persuade Puma to sign a contract. EG, being a business, and a successful one, took the opportunity to secure a talented player that they know will make them money. They did it by having him sign a contract. Smart business move. Criticizing EG because they didn't wear a monocle and tip their proverbial top hat at TSL before making their move is just childish. It actually shows alot of class that EG decided to try to solve this rediculous drama caused by over zealous loud mouths, instead of just cutting to hard ass mode and black balling this entire conversation. It would be completely in their right to pretend like the whole lot of your whiny kids are nothing more than a minor inconvenience that will inevitable forget all about this the next time something remotely dramatic happens. It's too bad their are so many classless children out there who propogated this entire dramatic shit show, instead of objectively and critically analyzing the situation once all the facts were known. Pathetic. | ||
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Grimsong
United States252 Posts
On July 27 2011 00:08 StiMMy wrote: I find it hilarious that a business is being criticized for doing business. Puma was on TSL, TSL obviously didn't care enough, or couldn't secure the financial means to persuade Puma to sign a contract. EG, being a business, and a successful one, took the opportunity to secure a talented player that they know will make them money. They did it by having him sign a contract. Smart business move. Criticizing EG because they didn't wear a monocle and tip their proverbial top hat at TSL before making their move is just childish. It actually shows alot of class that EG decided to try to solve this rediculous drama cause by over zealous loud mouths, instead of just cutting to hard ass mode and black balling this entire conversation. It would be completely in their right to pretend like the whole lot of your whiny kids are nothing more than a minor inconvenience that will inevitable forget all about this the next time something remotely dramatic happens. It's too bad their are so many classless children out there who propogated this entire dramatic shit show, instead of objectively and critically analyzing the situation once all the facts were known. Pathetic. I was going to post something to this extent for the 10000th time, but I appreciate you doing so for me. Time for some folks to grow up, we aren't 5 year olds playing GI Joes in a sandbox. | ||
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rotegirte
Germany2859 Posts
On July 26 2011 23:47 Copenap wrote: I was simply explaining why Fruitdealer and Tester left and why there was no uproar. Concerning contracting Pzma, I think it became pretty clear that you cant contract a player if you cannot offer anything to them due to the lack of sponsors. Now if you say "that is their problem and I dont care" then that is your oppinion but people might see that differently. No, it's certainly not an opinion. We might care or wish that TSL would be able to support their players, but most certainly it is their issue. Not EG's, not anyone else's. | ||
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Copenap
723 Posts
On July 27 2011 00:10 Grimsong wrote: I was going to post something to this extent for the 10000th time, but I appreciate you doing so for me. Time for some folks to grow up, we aren't 5 year olds playing GI Joes in a sandbox. Foxconn is being criticised for doing business as well and I would say rightfully so. The world isnt always black and white and you shouldnt force your opinion on anybody else. People might just see this differently due to other experiences, believes or whatever. Saying everyone with a different oppionion is a 5yr old kid isnt really helping. Edit: I'm in no way compairing EG to Foxconn O:-) | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32159 Posts
On July 26 2011 23:27 Grimsong wrote: Na dude EG is just a terrible organization! Laughable that people are still calling out EG on this at all, its unfortunate they'd even have to dangle the notion that they'd pay TSL a dime and even THAT isn't enough to silence the unjust criticisms flying in from every angle. Pretty disappointing. I just still can't get over the fact that so many people saying that EG should have contacted TSL not just for compensation (which is still stupid for an uncontracted player but whatev), but because the manager would then sit down with Puma to figure out what is in the player's best interest. Because a manager whose job is surely in question at this point because he can't retain any of his talent is really going to look at the situation in that light. | ||
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Copenap
723 Posts
On July 27 2011 00:17 rotegirte wrote: No, it's certainly not an opinion. We might care or wish that TSL would be able to support their players, but most certainly it is their issue. Not EG's, not anyone else's. I disagree. If contractual obligations are the only thing that count then that is your oppinion, not mine and certainly not a fact. Edit: I'm obviously NOT talking frim a legal point of view. | ||
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flanksteak
Canada246 Posts
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traxdatacd
Croatia21 Posts
than if they agree u can offer terms to the player. if the rule is broken there are severe penaltys. | ||
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zip99
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1) The fact that PUMA had no contract and EG is now paying him a salary makes this entire discussion moot in my view. 2) It's better for the community and the players when the market price of players is going up and teams are striving -- even competing -- to bring talent to their organization. 3) There are no issues with PUMA going out and trying to make a living off of what he does. Why would he want his coach to speak to EG first on his behalf given that he didn't even have a contract? That would be strange in the world of business, major league sports, music, etc. In fact, no other industry would require that etiquette; and, in fact, in many industries it would be viewed as bizarre. 4) If I were PUMA I would have said the following to my coach: "Hey, I got this great opportunity to actually make a living off of all of the hard work I put into this game. The offer is x. Thank you so much for all of the help you have given me. I'd be open to counter-offers, but plan to take EG up on this amazing opportunity. I hope to keep in contact with you and all of the great friends I made here." 5) If PUMA's coach actually cared about him, he would have not responded by going out and bad-mouthing EG. | ||
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StiMMy
Canada96 Posts
On July 27 2011 00:18 Copenap wrote: Foxconn is being criticised for doing business as well and I would say rightfully so. The world isnt always black and white and you shouldnt force your opinion on anybody else. People might just see this differently due to other experiences, believes or whatever. Saying everyone with a different oppionion is a 5yr old kid isnt really helping. Edit: I'm in no way compairing EG to Foxconn O:-) Having a contradictory opinion to mine is by no means a crime, or even a slight against me. However, when a human being with a working brain jumps to conclusions without actively attempting to educate themselves on all aspects of the issue at hand, I feel it is a negative for the entire community. Whether we like it or not, the reason e-sports are available for us to enjoy, is because business' feel that it is a market where money can be made. And just as in every other market in this world, making money is #1. You have team's like EG to thank for going out and fighting the good fight to get large companies interested in E-sports. And if they have to step on athe toes of short sighted and small minded individuals to ensure that those sponsors stay interested in E-sports, and continue to funnel money into it, I won't stand in their way. Stop living in a fantasy land of lolipops and gum drops. Welcome to the real world. | ||
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Grimsong
United States252 Posts
On July 27 2011 00:27 traxdatacd wrote: in proffesional football (soccer) the rule is that u have to speak to the management FIRST. than if they agree u can offer terms to the player. if the rule is broken there are severe penaltys. In a professional sport those same players are signed to contracts Puma was not. Can't draw comparisons. | ||
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zip99
4 Posts
On July 27 2011 00:27 traxdatacd wrote: in proffesional football (soccer) the rule is that u have to speak to the management FIRST. than if they agree u can offer terms to the player. if the rule is broken there are severe penaltys. That's only a rule because it's written into the players' contracts or the league rules. HUGE difference. | ||
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Rylaji
Sweden580 Posts
Also you dont have to be "rich" to be a big bad corporation. I still think you are. | ||
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