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EchoZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Japan5041 Posts
July 22 2011 00:03 GMT
#5101
On July 22 2011 09:02 Fionn wrote:
I feel bad for Milkis.

Kinda unfair to have him on the TSL/Korea side when he isn't affiliated with TSL or any of the Korean teams.


They need to find a korean player's association representative immediately.
Dear Sixsmith...
Yew
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States940 Posts
July 22 2011 00:03 GMT
#5102
On July 22 2011 09:02 Badfatpanda wrote:
Something getting lost in this is how much PuMa repped and promoted TSL during the finals? lol it's still been really odd to me how he can flip that easily ><

That's what money does to someone man
Takezou
Profile Joined October 2010
United States320 Posts
July 22 2011 00:03 GMT
#5103
On July 22 2011 09:02 OrderlyChaos wrote:
AG is saying that this controversy is about whether EG should have access to Koreans. I don't think this is really the controversy. FXO/Oz and then fOu, Fnatic/Rain, etc have shown this and these haven't caused controversies. What caused controversy is how EG approached Puma and handled the situation, which was addressed earlier in the show. Now it's a debate about something that isn't that controversial.


I think if it didn't go down the way it did most people would be excited about Puma going to a foreign team.
thedz
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States217 Posts
July 22 2011 00:03 GMT
#5104
On July 22 2011 09:01 dacthehork wrote:
Alex trying to spin this so hard. People are upset how you went about picking up the players. AKA under teams noses across the world. No one cares you want to pick up koreans, its how you went about it.


Handing out business cards is picking up players now? Let's be honest, here. Puma told EG that rather than contacting TSL, EG should let Puma talk to TSL personally.

Wrong move? Probably. Mal-intentioned? Probably not.
Serpico
Profile Joined May 2010
4285 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-22 00:04:14
July 22 2011 00:03 GMT
#5105
On July 22 2011 09:01 travis wrote:
I think what it comes down to is the players should be able to do whatever the hell they want to do lol.

I think the important part is if you want a lot of control over a player you at least have to sign them to signify that, it's a big deal in the business world. If you don't it makes it look murky as to how committed to them you are.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
July 22 2011 00:03 GMT
#5106
On July 22 2011 09:03 geNis wrote:
I am not sure if I am getting it, but it seems like Alex Garfield is trying to say EG is trying to sign a Korean so they can compete in foreign tournaments??

While his intent of trying to help Korean players get out of their boundaries, he might have actually hurt that by making the Koreans put up barriers and try to distance themselves from foreigners / foreigner organizations.

If this is completely wrong could someone please give me a better idea of what Alex Garfield is saying.


How would he have hurt it? The players have personal freedom.. they can do what they want lol. Korean organizations don't own them.
Shaxe
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands590 Posts
July 22 2011 00:04 GMT
#5107
On July 22 2011 09:01 travis wrote:
I think what it comes down to is the players should be able to do whatever the hell they want to do lol.

Gotta agree, people forget that this deal is GREAT for Puma.
Soleron
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1324 Posts
July 22 2011 00:04 GMT
#5108
New conclusion:

EG isn't wrong but Alex can't get himself out of maximum spin mode to just tell people the truth which would show that.
TBO
Profile Joined September 2009
Germany1350 Posts
July 22 2011 00:04 GMT
#5109
lol you can't have player unions!
Malgrif
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada1095 Posts
July 22 2011 00:04 GMT
#5110
well with puma's skin, he's need all the money he can get. GOGO SKIN CARE TERRAN!
for there to be pro there has to be noob.
Primadog
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4411 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-22 00:05:18
July 22 2011 00:04 GMT
#5111
You can spin arguments, but you can't spin facts (at least without being called out for the bullshit). milkis lost both argument and fact. He was not the appropriate person sent to debate this, because of that, this debate won't be resolved today. Really unfortunate.



Can we have a followup with Nazgul?
Thank God and gunrun.
Cpt.beefy
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Ireland799 Posts
July 22 2011 00:04 GMT
#5112
On July 22 2011 09:01 Elefanto wrote:
Even losing more respect for EG.


There the sly fox of esport teams..... so underhanded, but intelligent enough too fool ppl about it.
Our Beloved Geoff "inControl" Robinson.
echO [W]
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1495 Posts
July 22 2011 00:04 GMT
#5113
I get the feeling that it's simply a cultural disagreement.

Lee is happy for Puma, like a proud father of his son for doing so well that he got an offer from EG.

However, he's unhappy in the fact that say this was a marriage, the father (Lee in this case) would have liked it if the boyfriend (EG) asked him (Lee) for his blessing to proceed in marrying his daughter (Puma).
"Or a school bus over a bunch of kids" - Tasteless --- “A man's errors are his portals of discovery.” - James Joyce
Barkziee
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom138 Posts
July 22 2011 00:05 GMT
#5114
This is just like any other situation where they bring out the Alex Garfield card. A situation where Alex can't be properly challenged because he is positioned in a situation where he can express his biased and spun point of view without proper opposition, thus causing the lesser-minded among us to just believe his word on face value.
Skullflower
Profile Joined July 2010
United States3779 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-22 00:05:32
July 22 2011 00:05 GMT
#5115
On July 22 2011 09:00 TBO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 08:59 Domination wrote:
I think the most interesting part of this conversation was where Alex said the OGS+TL arrangement sucks.

Edit: There it is again.


he speaks about ogs+sk (nada and MC representing SK on foreign events)


Fairly certain he said that the oGs-SK AND the oGs-TL deal aren't viable in the long term or something along those lines. I don't know why he keeps mentioning oGs-TL though as that's just an arrangement to live and train together iirc.
The ruminations are mine, let the world be yours.
MrSexington
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1768 Posts
July 22 2011 00:05 GMT
#5116
On July 22 2011 08:21 MrSexington wrote:
They're discussing this with DJwheat right now btw on Weapon of Choice:

http://www.onemoregame.tv/

Tune in.


Here's the cliff notes:

  • The news is fairly rushed: As of right now, Puma is NOT a member of Team EG.
  • I apologize for any disrespect towards Mr. Lee.
  • What we did was not only legally correct, but also morally and ethically correct.
  • One of the reasons Puma is NOT a member yet because we wanted to give him the chance to speak to his team first.
  • EG approached Puma first.
  • Thinks a lot of confusion is due to translation in words such as "approached."
  • "We're looking to support some Korean players, are you interested."
  • Puma isn't contracted with TSL.
  • The topic of his coach (Mr. Lee) came up multiple times. We didn't want to offend the SC community.
  • EG has a history of buyouts, each accompanied with mutual press releases with other teams.
  • We've approached at least 3 other Korean players/teams.
  • It was mutually agreed between the player and us that he would talk to his coach.
  • The conversation between Puma and coach Lee went really well and was distraught after hearing the reactions to the news last night.
  • We were never going to do this if it wasn't okay with the other team. (And it sounded like everything was good.)
  • Instead of leaving it up to Puma to talk to the team, EG should have contacted TSL directly.
  • Coach Lee should not have made a public statement in anger. (It sounds like he made the statement in anger.)
  • Both EG and coach Lee are responsible for the situation, causing a lot of distress for the player, and it's not 50/50.
  • SC2 in Korea is kind of struggling, despite what it may look like. And isn't this just an example of a player getting something outside Korea that he wasn't getting inside Korea?
  • "Contracting the player is fixing the wrong problem."
  • Korean teams are used to dealing with their players in a very self-contained way, and that's just not going to work in SC2 [because of how big SC2 is becoming in the foreign scene].
  • "I don't think what we did was underhanded at all."
  • If we're not getting to a point where an independent brand, like mine,... it's not a system that works globally.


*break time for Q&A to come*
Yew
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States940 Posts
July 22 2011 00:05 GMT
#5117
On July 22 2011 09:04 Cpt.beefy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 09:01 Elefanto wrote:
Even losing more respect for EG.


There the sly fox of esport teams..... so underhanded, but intelligent enough too fool ppl about it.

They are true... Evil Geniuses
Myles
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5162 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-22 00:06:29
July 22 2011 00:05 GMT
#5118
On July 22 2011 09:02 Badfatpanda wrote:
Something getting lost in this is how much PuMa repped and promoted TSL during the finals? lol it's still been really odd to me how he can flip that easily ><


Repping the team is his 'job'. Doing that and bringing attention to the team(usually through winning) is how he makes the team money and justifies the cost of paying his expenses in the team house. Being loyal isn't required, though sometimes it's involved.
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Sqq
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway2023 Posts
July 22 2011 00:05 GMT
#5119
On July 22 2011 09:01 jtbem wrote:
ah the classic delusion of more money outside korea


Its not a delusion. There is a lot more money in sc2 outside korea now than inside. Its just the way it is atm.
Dead girls don't say no.
Invoker
Profile Joined October 2010
Belgium686 Posts
July 22 2011 00:05 GMT
#5120
We need Mr. Chae.
There is no fate, but what we make.
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