On July 22 2011 09:02 Badfatpanda wrote:
Something getting lost in this is how much PuMa repped and promoted TSL during the finals? lol it's still been really odd to me how he can flip that easily ><

That's what money does to someone man

Takezou

United States320 Posts

July 22 2011 00:03 GMT

#5103

On July 22 2011 09:02 OrderlyChaos wrote:
AG is saying that this controversy is about whether EG should have access to Koreans. I don't think this is really the controversy. FXO/Oz and then fOu, Fnatic/Rain, etc have shown this and these haven't caused controversies. What caused controversy is how EG approached Puma and handled the situation, which was addressed earlier in the show. Now it's a debate about something that isn't that controversial.

I think if it didn't go down the way it did most people would be excited about Puma going to a foreign team.

thedz

United States217 Posts

July 22 2011 00:03 GMT

#5104

On July 22 2011 09:01 dacthehork wrote:
Alex trying to spin this so hard. People are upset how you went about picking up the players. AKA under teams noses across the world. No one cares you want to pick up koreans, its how you went about it.

Handing out business cards is picking up players now? Let's be honest, here. Puma told EG that rather than contacting TSL, EG should let Puma talk to TSL personally.

Wrong move? Probably. Mal-intentioned? Probably not.

Serpico

4285 Posts

July 22 2011 00:03 GMT

#5105

On July 22 2011 09:01 travis wrote:
I think what it comes down to is the players should be able to do whatever the hell they want to do lol.

I think the important part is if you want a lot of control over a player you at least have to sign them to signify that, it's a big deal in the business world. If you don't it makes it look murky as to how committed to them you are.

Deleted User 3420

24492 Posts

July 22 2011 00:03 GMT

#5106

On July 22 2011 09:03 geNis wrote:
I am not sure if I am getting it, but it seems like Alex Garfield is trying to say EG is trying to sign a Korean so they can compete in foreign tournaments??

While his intent of trying to help Korean players get out of their boundaries, he might have actually hurt that by making the Koreans put up barriers and try to distance themselves from foreigners / foreigner organizations.

If this is completely wrong could someone please give me a better idea of what Alex Garfield is saying.

How would he have hurt it? The players have personal freedom.. they can do what they want lol. Korean organizations don't own them.

Shaxe

Netherlands590 Posts

July 22 2011 00:04 GMT

#5107

On July 22 2011 09:01 travis wrote:
I think what it comes down to is the players should be able to do whatever the hell they want to do lol.

Gotta agree, people forget that this deal is GREAT for Puma.

Soleron

United Kingdom1324 Posts

July 22 2011 00:04 GMT

#5108

New conclusion:

EG isn't wrong but Alex can't get himself out of maximum spin mode to just tell people the truth which would show that.

TBO

Germany1350 Posts

July 22 2011 00:04 GMT

#5109

lol you can't have player unions!

Malgrif

Canada1095 Posts

July 22 2011 00:04 GMT

#5110

well with puma's skin, he's need all the money he can get. GOGO SKIN CARE TERRAN!

Primadog

United States4411 Posts

July 22 2011 00:04 GMT

#5111

You can spin arguments, but you can't spin facts (at least without being called out for the bullshit). milkis lost both argument and fact. He was not the appropriate person sent to debate this, because of that, this debate won't be resolved today. Really unfortunate.

Can we have a followup with Nazgul?

Cpt.beefy

Ireland799 Posts

July 22 2011 00:04 GMT

#5112

On July 22 2011 09:01 Elefanto wrote:
Even losing more respect for EG.

There the sly fox of esport teams..... so underhanded, but intelligent enough too fool ppl about it.

echO [W]

United States1495 Posts

July 22 2011 00:04 GMT

#5113

I get the feeling that it's simply a cultural disagreement.

Lee is happy for Puma, like a proud father of his son for doing so well that he got an offer from EG.

However, he's unhappy in the fact that say this was a marriage, the father (Lee in this case) would have liked it if the boyfriend (EG) asked him (Lee) for his blessing to proceed in marrying his daughter (Puma).

Barkziee

United Kingdom138 Posts

July 22 2011 00:05 GMT

#5114

This is just like any other situation where they bring out the Alex Garfield card. A situation where Alex can't be properly challenged because he is positioned in a situation where he can express his biased and spun point of view without proper opposition, thus causing the lesser-minded among us to just believe his word on face value.

Skullflower

United States3779 Posts

July 22 2011 00:05 GMT

#5115

On July 22 2011 09:00 TBO wrote:

Show nested quote +

he speaks about ogs+sk (nada and MC representing SK on foreign events)

Fairly certain he said that the oGs-SK AND the oGs-TL deal aren't viable in the long term or something along those lines. I don't know why he keeps mentioning oGs-TL though as that's just an arrangement to live and train together iirc.

MrSexington

United States1768 Posts

July 22 2011 00:05 GMT

#5116

On July 22 2011 08:21 MrSexington wrote:
They're discussing this with DJwheat right now btw on Weapon of Choice:

http://www.onemoregame.tv/

Tune in.

Here's the cliff notes:

The news is fairly rushed: As of right now, Puma is NOT a member of Team EG.
I apologize for any disrespect towards Mr. Lee.
What we did was not only legally correct, but also morally and ethically correct.
One of the reasons Puma is NOT a member yet because we wanted to give him the chance to speak to his team first.
EG approached Puma first.
Thinks a lot of confusion is due to translation in words such as "approached."
"We're looking to support some Korean players, are you interested."
Puma isn't contracted with TSL.
The topic of his coach (Mr. Lee) came up multiple times. We didn't want to offend the SC community.
EG has a history of buyouts, each accompanied with mutual press releases with other teams.
We've approached at least 3 other Korean players/teams.
It was mutually agreed between the player and us that he would talk to his coach.
The conversation between Puma and coach Lee went really well and was distraught after hearing the reactions to the news last night.
We were never going to do this if it wasn't okay with the other team. (And it sounded like everything was good.)
Instead of leaving it up to Puma to talk to the team, EG should have contacted TSL directly.
Coach Lee should not have made a public statement in anger. (It sounds like he made the statement in anger.)
Both EG and coach Lee are responsible for the situation, causing a lot of distress for the player, and it's not 50/50.
SC2 in Korea is kind of struggling, despite what it may look like. And isn't this just an example of a player getting something outside Korea that he wasn't getting inside Korea?
"Contracting the player is fixing the wrong problem."
Korean teams are used to dealing with their players in a very self-contained way, and that's just not going to work in SC2 [because of how big SC2 is becoming in the foreign scene].
"I don't think what we did was underhanded at all."
If we're not getting to a point where an independent brand, like mine,... it's not a system that works globally.

*break time for Q&A to come*

Yew

United States940 Posts

July 22 2011 00:05 GMT

#5117

On July 22 2011 09:04 Cpt.beefy wrote:

Show nested quote +

There the sly fox of esport teams..... so underhanded, but intelligent enough too fool ppl about it.

They are true... Evil Geniuses

Myles

United States5162 Posts

July 22 2011 00:05 GMT

#5118

Repping the team is his 'job'. Doing that and bringing attention to the team(usually through winning) is how he makes the team money and justifies the cost of paying his expenses in the team house. Being loyal isn't required, though sometimes it's involved.