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thatsundowner
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada312 Posts
July 21 2011 23:58 GMT
#5061
Hey alex, no one is talking about restricting players in any way. A Korean player should be able to join whatever team he wants, the big problem in this whole thing is the scummy way you went about recruiting him.
"you're gonna fail" in latin
jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-22 00:31:18
July 21 2011 23:58 GMT
#5062
On July 22 2011 08:40 jinorazi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 08:16 getSome[703] wrote:
On July 22 2011 08:14 namedplayer wrote:
new interview from TSL coach posted on PlayXP

http://www.playxp.com/news/read.php?news_id=3211586


Any chance of a translation? Googletranslate blows


i'll try though i'm at work (has to be done discretely :X)

damn, thats a long interview lol...


i'm sure a well done translation will be done in the near future but i'm kinda bored at work XD

i'll be editing this as more gets done but heres a few lines for now.

+ Show Spoiler +
NASL에서 우승하고 온 이호준을 방출한다는 소식을 접했다. 북미 e스포츠 팀인 EG(Evil Geniuses)에 입단한다고 들었는데 어떻게 된 일인가.
Rurmor started Puma might be leaving after winning NASL, joining EG. What happened?
- 호준이가 귀국하고 왔는데 3일 동안 한숨을 쉬더라. 아니, 우승을 하고 온 애가 왜 한숨을 쉬고 있는지 신경 쓰였다. 그리고 GSTL 경기를 가졌고 팀이 승리를 했다. 그런대 또 한숨을 쉬고 있더라. 1년 가량을 데리고 있으면서 그런 모습을 본적이 없었다. 분명히 이상함을 느끼고 물어 봤는데 답을 하지 않았다. 몇 번을 물어도 마찬가지였다. GSTL 경기가 끝나고 다음 날 정도였던 것 같다. 힘들게 얘기를 하더라. 고민하고 있는 중이라고 말이다. 얘기를 들어보니 어느 정도 가기로 결심한 것을 직각했다.
After Puma returned, he sighed for 3 days. It bothered me why he looked so depressed after winning a tournament. Never seen him like this for the year we've been a team. Afterwards, we won the GSTL game. Something was weird so I asked what was going on but he did not answer. Even after many tries, he did not answer. Day after GSTL, he spoke what was in his mind with difficulties. He was having a hard time deciding something, after listening for a bit, i realized he plans to leave.

▼ 굉장히 착잡했을 것 같다.
Must have been hard.
- 당연하다. 원기와 기수가 팀에서 나갈 때 남은 선수들끼리 잘 해보자며 똘똘 뭉쳤었다. 그리고 크고 작은 해외 대회 성적도 괜찮았다. 그런데 그런 얘길 들으니 머릿속이 까매지더라.
Of course. After trickster and fd left, the remaining members came together to work harder. After that, we got results in small and big foreign tournaments. hearing puma's words disturbed me.

▼ 붙잡기도 했을 것 같은데 어떤 대화들이 오갔나.
You must have tried to keep him, what were the conversations?
- 이렇게 가는 건 아니다. 감독인 나를 통한 이적도 아니고 트레이드도 아닌 이 상황은 정말 아니다고 말했다. 싫은 소리도 많이 나오고 구설수에도 오를 수 있다고도 했지만 호준이는 다 이겨낼 수 있다고 하더라. 그리고 미안해 했고 EG에 대해서도 많이 안다고 했다. 언제가 되든 안볼 것도 아니기 때문에 그래도 좋게 나갔다. 팀원들도 배웅해 주고 말이다.
"Not like this." No one in TSL was contacted, i felt this shouldn't be how it is. There will be hateful words and lots of criticism but Puma insisted we'll get through it. Puma feels sorry and Puma knows a lot about EG. It isn't over, we'll still see each other, he departed with good relationship. his teammates supported him too.

▼ 최근 ‘리빌딩’을 선언한 후라 팀 내부 분위기도 영향이 있었을 것 같다.
Looks like this news will influence Hoora(?) team thats going through "rebuilding"
- 처음 팀에 들어올 땐 그런 내색도 없었고, 뭐라도 할 것처럼 왔던 선수가 내면을 숨겼던 거니 어찌할 수 없는 상황이었다. 상호와 규종이가 많이 걱정했다. 본인들도 그런 제안이 왔었던 적이 있어 더 그런 것 같더라.
He didn't have such intentions when he first joined the team, but if any, its been kept a secret so there's nothing that i could have done. Sangho and Gyujong(?) worried a lot because they have recieved offers from other teams too.

▼ 팀의 다른 선수들도 직접적인 제안이 오간 것 인가.
Have other members been approached too?
- 그렇다. 이번 일을 통해 알게 됐다. 상호나 규종이는 그런 제안이 왔을 때 바로 거절을 했고, 같이 시작한 나와 팀을 존중했기 때문에 그런 결정을 했다고 하더라. 그리고 거절한 내용을 굳이 밝히고 싶지 않다고 했다. 내가 신경 쓰이고 걱정할 것을 우려한 것 같다.
Yes. Thats how i found out. Sangho and Gyujong rejected offers right away because they valued TSL as its first members a long with me(coach lee). They didn't want to say much details regarding the offer and why they rejected because they felt it would just distract me.

▼ 왜 이런 일이 발생했다고 생각하나.
Why do you think something like this happened?
- 규종이 경우엔 해외 팬이 많다. 2~3천 정도 되는 걸로 아는 트위터의 팔로워가 거의 해외 팬들이다. 물론 상호도 마찬가지다. 우승자가 출신이 아닌 것에 비해 인기가 많은 편이라고 생각한다. 호준이 경우엔 NASL 우승 때문에 그런 제안들이 온 것 같다. 하지만, 짧은 시간에 그런 결정을 했다는 게 아쉬울 뿐이다. 사실, 내 입장에선 고민한다고 해도 섭섭한 감정이 없잖아 있다.
As for Gyujong, he has many fans. 2 to 3 thousand from twitter and most are foreigners. Same with sangho. I think, for not having won any major tournaments, their fan base is very good. Puma winning the NASL created this situation. I'm only dissapointed that the decision was made in such a short time. From what i could tell, though he felt worried, he didn't seem upset.

▼ 그럼 왜 그런 결정을 했을거라 생각하나.
Why do you think he made the decision?
- 아무래도 환경 문제가 큰 것 같다. 스타크래프트2 선수들이 선수로서 지내는 현재의 상황 말이다. 호준이가 코드S였다면 고민하지 않았을 것 같다. 선수 입장에선 코드S 진입도 힘들고 우승도 더더욱 힘든 상황이라 문이 좁다. GSL만을 보고 꿈꾸고 왔는데 해외를 경험 해보고 오니, 지금까지 해 온 것이 큰 비중을 차지하지 않았다라는 생각을 한 것 같다. 해외의 임팩트를 경험했기 때문에 더욱 달콤하지 않았을까 생각한다.
i think the environment was the main cause, talking about sc2 players playing as professional gamers. If he was already in code s, he wouldn't have worried. as a progamer, entering code s is very hard and winning is even much harder, and this situation causes problems. after only dreaming about GSL and winning a foreign tournament, he felt he missed out on all the potential as a progamer. i think the foreign tournament left a good impression on him.

▼ 현재 국내 스타크래프트2 대회에 대한 불만도 있는 것 같다.
There seems to be criticism on korean tournaments.
- 없다면 거짓말이다. GSL의 진입 장벽은 생각보다 높다. 그리고 국내에 다른 리그가 없는 것도 어느 정도 문제점이 된다고 본다.
It'll be a lie to say there isnt. penetrating GSL is harder it seems. lack of other tournament is a problem too.

▼ 그럼 왜 사전에 계약서를 작성하지 않았나.
Why didn't you make a contract?
- 처음에는 계약서를 작성하려고 했다. 팀원들도 동의 했었다. 하지만, 선수들이 너무 진실된 열정과 가능성이 보여 당분간은 쓸 필요 없겠다란 생각을 했다. 절대 믿었다. 지금은 조금 후회 된다.
I wanted to at first, team members agreed. However, i saw so much geuine passion and potential, i didnt think its something that needs to be done right away. I trusted, i regret a little now.

▼ 이상하게도 TSL에서 많은 선수들이 나간 것으로 보인다. 아무래도 기존 팀원의 수가 많지 않아 그래 보이겠지만, 그에 따른 코멘트가 없었다. 지금 이 자리를 통해 밝혀 볼 수 있겠나.
it seems lot of TSL members are overseas but there no comments regarding this, can you elaborate?
- 서용이는 아버님께서 뉴욕에 계셨고, 원래부터 꿈이 해외 진출이었다. 팀을 나간 후 지금의 프나틱과 교섭한 것이라 지금의 호준이와는 상황이 달랐다. 팀을 나간 이유는 리빌딩 당시 여러 문제가 있었는데 그것이 계기가 됐다.
Seoyong's father is in new york and original goal was going overseas. after leaving the team, he is in negociations with fnatic, its a different situation than Puma. problems during the "rebuilding" was the reason for him leaving.
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sekritzzz
Profile Joined December 2010
1515 Posts
July 21 2011 23:58 GMT
#5063
Alex never even lets Milkis talk. Wheat really needs to start telling him to leave Milkis without cutting him every 10 seconds of talk he has. He basically just stole his whole platform and apologizes 2mins later.
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-21 23:58:58
July 21 2011 23:58 GMT
#5064
I wish they talked about how Puma would live with EG. Who speaks Korean on that team? Do they have a translator who will be there all the time?
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babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
July 21 2011 23:58 GMT
#5065
I've lost track of what the hell AG is talking about, and I'm usually pretty good at parsing words.

Lol @ MC glowing.
Cite
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia251 Posts
July 21 2011 23:58 GMT
#5066
On July 22 2011 08:57 thedz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 08:55 Cite wrote:
On July 22 2011 08:52 TaKemE wrote:
On July 22 2011 08:50 Cite wrote:
This guy is terrible at keeping consistent lol, hes gone from saying they b asically had no intention to recruit him and jhust provided him with a card, to spending hours upon hours with his management securing the budget to provide players like puma this opportunity. To be honest he should probably just stop 'cause hes running circles around himself


Pls listen, they spend hours to securing the budget for a player LIKE puma.


Please understand this is just PR and spinning the right story with the right words. He is intentionally wording it like that so the two previous posters that pointed out my inabilities will accept his words at face value.


So let me get this straight. You have an opinion on what happened. EG says something that defies that opinion. Instead of changing your opinion, you decide that EG must be lying.

And your evidence is... what?


My evidence is them sending out this person specifically who everyone knows in this thread as a complete word genius (albeit a terrible one) and pretty much EVERY thing in this stream going on too many quotes to retype - check the thread I have a post with some
zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
July 21 2011 23:58 GMT
#5067
--- Nuked ---
NexUmbra
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Scotland3776 Posts
July 21 2011 23:59 GMT
#5068
Oh shit his name is Mil-Kiss I've been saying Milkies since forever -.-
Life has won two GSLs and a Blizzard Cup. NOT three GSLs.
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
July 21 2011 23:59 GMT
#5069
On July 22 2011 08:55 GoldenGun wrote:
Milkis is getting owned right now by AG, basically.


why do u kids always make it seem like this is some type of game or competition. there is no winning or losing...this is a discussion between two adults.
TBO
Profile Joined September 2009
Germany1350 Posts
July 21 2011 23:59 GMT
#5070
AG totally ignoring the FXO deal
Domination
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1177 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-22 00:02:00
July 21 2011 23:59 GMT
#5071
Edit 2: I suck
Soleron
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1324 Posts
July 22 2011 00:00 GMT
#5072
On July 22 2011 08:58 ArturosII wrote:
The issue is he should have said some of this stuff as soon as he heard the news. He should have just released a short "I'm sorry, I should have sent a message to the coach" hours ago and most of the complaints wouldn't have had a leg to stand on.


Oh god this.

If he's been "awake for the last 18 hours", why did that not include a public statement sooner? As the person who talked to Puma directly AND as EG's PR person, there isn't any reason I can see to delay a quick TL topic or phone call to PlayXP or TSL etc.
MrDudeMan
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada973 Posts
July 22 2011 00:00 GMT
#5073
On July 22 2011 08:51 OrderlyChaos wrote:
"Can't have it both ways" is a dodge of the main point. I wouldn't argue that Korean teams should be immune from having their players approached and bought out, but I would say that EG did fail to respect the other team in this situation and put themselves in this situation by putting it on Puma to handle this by himself. EG should've approached the coach themselves without making Puma the middleman and focal point for the feud between the two parties.


Right and EG is saying that they might have once they actually signed the player. TSL released the info early.
thedz
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States217 Posts
July 22 2011 00:00 GMT
#5074
On July 22 2011 08:58 sekritzzz wrote:
Alex never even lets Milkis talk. Wheat really needs to start telling him to leave Milkis without cutting him every 10 seconds of talk he has. He basically just stole his whole platform and apologizes 2mins later.


To be fair to Wheat, Milkis doesn't let Milkis talk. "Basically" indeed. He's too nervous right now, so things come out stuttered and slow.
AHWNDrew
Profile Joined July 2011
3 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-22 00:01:17
July 22 2011 00:00 GMT
#5075
Is this the opening shots in a EG vs Korea war? AG really seems to be pushing that the Korean structure is unacceptable to him and he will use money to break it.

Drew
BackSideAttack
Profile Joined December 2010
1103 Posts
July 22 2011 00:00 GMT
#5076
thank god for dj wheat for calling out alex on his comments about the sustainability of the Korean system
nekuodah
Profile Joined August 2010
England2409 Posts
July 22 2011 00:00 GMT
#5077
On July 22 2011 08:58 zeru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 08:58 taLbuk wrote:
On July 22 2011 08:57 zeru wrote:
They need to let milkis talk. This is so damn annoying.


Milkis isn't on to talk business, he is on to give his perspective on the story and cultures.

I know, and they arent letting him do that. Alex keeps cutting him off.


What do you expect, this guys trying his best to spin the situation into EGs favour just like he did in the last EG drama.
Thrax
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1755 Posts
July 22 2011 00:00 GMT
#5078
On July 22 2011 08:59 Domination wrote:
I think the most interesting part of this conversation was where Alex said the OGS+TL arrangement sucks.

Edit: There it is again.

He's talking about the oGs SK deal I believe (Just for Nada and MC)
TBO
Profile Joined September 2009
Germany1350 Posts
July 22 2011 00:00 GMT
#5079
On July 22 2011 08:59 Domination wrote:
I think the most interesting part of this conversation was where Alex said the OGS+TL arrangement sucks.

Edit: There it is again.


he speaks about ogs+sk (nada and MC representing SK on foreign events)
Asymmetric
Profile Joined June 2011
Scotland1309 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-22 00:01:11
July 22 2011 00:00 GMT
#5080
On July 22 2011 08:55 SafeAsCheese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 08:53 Asymmetric wrote:
On July 22 2011 08:52 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On July 22 2011 08:52 Asymmetric wrote:
On July 22 2011 08:50 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On July 22 2011 08:49 Asymmetric wrote:
On July 22 2011 08:46 Bigpet wrote:
On July 22 2011 08:41 Soleron wrote:
So:

EG should have contacted TSL before suggesting it

TSL should have contacted EG before internet ranting


If everything that Alex has said is true that this is exactly what the logical conclusion is.


I suppose thats the problem.

Seems every month EG's got some kind of shitstorm surrounding it.

Theres no smoke without fire


It's the forum complainers that start the drama shit, not EG.


But why EG. It's almost seems to be them for years now.



Because people who have no place in the discussion like to give their input on teams business practices they disagree with.


Then doesn't answer the question. Why is it always EG?


EG has the money to buy out players they want.

Fans of certain teams rage about it when it's the players/teams decision to accept the offer.


It's more than that.

Player/team transfers are only one of many grievances that have been laid at the feet of EG in recent years. Just last month this community was up in arms about the way EG treated State of the Game. More than a few pros have said they would never want to have anything to with the team. It just doesn't add up.
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