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natey-nate
United States20 Posts
On July 22 2011 03:52 Stosh wrote: Except that the Yankees win. The better analogy for EG would be the Mets. No wonder I really like Slayers. All homegrown talent, brought up through their own farm system. | ||
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FairForever
Canada2392 Posts
On July 22 2011 04:01 Jibba wrote: Well, the interesting part is that we don't actually know if Puma got market value for being one of the best players in the world. The problem with backhand dealing is that other teams didn't get to throw their chips in the pot either. You're right, PuMa didn't get FMV and there's no way for us to ever determine, seeing as we don't know the value he provides to EG nor do we know what other teams would be willing to pay him. But considering TSL's recent history, I'm pretty sure PuMa's current situation with EG is a lot better than TSL (from a monetary/benefits perspective). And that's already a start. | ||
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fraktoasters
United States617 Posts
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[Atomic]Peace
United States451 Posts
On July 22 2011 04:01 JWD wrote: This sentence (from Coach Lee's statement in the OP) has me concerned. I hope that the players have fair representation in the Korean SC II Association (I'm totally unfamiliar with it -- any info, anyone?) because it looks like what Coach Lee is proposing is that the Association impose rules that would limit players' abilities to pursue the most lucrative/attractive playing contract. If the players get nothing in return for those rules, they'll have been stripped of freedom and money-making opportunities without fair compensation. I share the same concern. The good news is that unlike Starcraft, Korea does not have a monopoly on Starcraft II. There's actually more money to be had outside Korea after all. So if the Association treats players poorly, I think top talent will just move to foreign teams. | ||
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shell
Portugal2722 Posts
The tsl coach is pissed but he's being childish since its obvoius it could happen anytime. Pay your players and have contracts and this wont happen again! | ||
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Skarmory
112 Posts
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xXFireandIceXx
Canada4296 Posts
On July 22 2011 04:02 farnham wrote: are you saying koreans dont do contracts ? its quite the opposite. i had to stamp every goddamn page of a shitlong contract with my fingers for a little german-korean translation job (so that nobody could take out a page and bring in another one or something like that). i never experienced that kind of contract management for such a low value contract really. koreans can be really specific about contracts. I didn't say that man. When I said traditionally, I meant that other teams approach the teams first, not the players. I'm just saying it's like a custom thing to do. | ||
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Lokian
United States699 Posts
well, I guess they must've learned something through this. I just hope it won't become to the extreme of KeSPA where you need liscense and shit. TSL manager strikes me as someone that can bring about KeSPA II with all these whiny crap. Don't bar the gamers like KeSPA with liscense and strict contracts. give freedom but also protect yourself. teams approaching players should not be a problem if u have contracts. the player would then have to go to the coach, which he did... talking to another person about opportunities is not wrong, I don't get why thats sucha big deal. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
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Gnabgib
United States381 Posts
On July 22 2011 04:01 JWD wrote: This sentence (from Coach Lee's statement in the OP) has me concerned. I hope that the players have fair representation in the Korean SC II Association (I'm totally unfamiliar with it -- any info, anyone?) because it looks like what Coach Lee is proposing is that the Association impose rules that would limit players' abilities to pursue the most lucrative/attractive playing contract. If the players get nothing in return for those rules, they'll have been stripped of freedom and money-making opportunities without fair compensation. If there's going to be a Korean SC2 association, then there has to be a SC2 players union. | ||
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alexhard
Sweden317 Posts
On July 22 2011 04:01 Jibba wrote: Well, the interesting part is that we don't actually know if Puma got market value for being one of the best players in the world. The problem with backhand dealing is that other teams didn't get to throw their chips in the pot either. It's been a few weeks since NASL, if any team managers wanted him they've had ample time to make their offers. | ||
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nihlon
Sweden5581 Posts
On July 22 2011 04:00 canikizu wrote: Agree. Ridiculing trust and faith is like, ridiculing the Indian or Mayan when the Europeans broughts guns and enslaved them. Sigh, the human's morality nowaday... I'm sorry but having a system that is based on faith is stupid. It's admirable in a way but to get butt hurt when it doesn't work is like getting pissed if someone steals your bike if you leave it unlocked all the time. People should know better. | ||
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farnham
1378 Posts
On July 22 2011 03:54 IMSmooth wrote: Lee's stance also showed that EG has approached other korean players. Korean teams are going to be a lot more cautious about sending their players out west with the threat of foreign teams trying to swoop them up. Also is sounds like koreans aren't too pleased with Puma... i have a bad feeling that his skill will decline by a fair amount as long as other koreans refuse to train with him. It is sad too cause this could have been totally avoided and could have been huge happy news for EG and for ESPORTS in general but i feel that chance has been missed. no korean teams will get some lawyers and draft contracts because thats the only proper response to this | ||
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xBillehx
United States1289 Posts
On July 22 2011 04:01 JWD wrote: This sentence (from Coach Lee's statement in the OP) has me concerned. I hope that the players have fair representation in the Korean SC II Association (I'm totally unfamiliar with it -- any info, anyone?) because it looks like what Coach Lee is proposing is that the Association impose rules that would limit players' abilities to pursue the most lucrative/attractive playing contract. If the players get nothing in return for those rules, they'll have been stripped of freedom and money-making opportunities without fair compensation. It's the coaches + players association (president is  Junwi) + GOM. Either way this certainly means players will have less freedom, how far that goes is up in the air.Edit: http://s2con.com/ | ||
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sekritzzz
1515 Posts
On July 22 2011 03:56 Ansinjunger wrote: This is the type of one-sided view that hurts me to read. You are actually right, from a Western point of view, but the fact that people are so willing to ignore the other side's point of view because they are conveniently happy with the results is a common way to reach a misunderstanding. It has been hours since this news broke out and despite many calls by people including milkis to scoots directly, they haven't said anything to defend themselves. It is directly their fault people are taking only one side. | ||
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PHC
United States472 Posts
On July 22 2011 04:02 fraktoasters wrote: Basically this thread is people saying Koreans are stupid for handling progamers things the Korean way and that the Western way is better. Sad but true. | ||
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FairForever
Canada2392 Posts
On July 22 2011 04:02 SourD wrote: I look at the situation like this. Korea SC2 scene is...new..with limited amount of funding..a lot of teams are running privately and there is no associational structure to set up basic contractual agreement between teams and players. But still, Korea has most talented players in the world. EG exploits current korean sc2 scene described above and acquires puma for free. Uh, what? If I open a new cornerstore, you can be goddamned sure every employee is going to be on a contract. Not an exact comparison because cornerstone employees are more replaceable, but the fact is that being a new business does not exempt one from requirements that are expected of more established businesses. You don't need an association to set up a contract - in fact, an association can be detrimental to contracts because it can limit the terms of the contract. Teams are more than able to set up contracts as they so desire. | ||
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xXFireandIceXx
Canada4296 Posts
On July 22 2011 04:04 farnham wrote: no korean teams will get some lawyers and draft contracts because thats the only proper response to this Well, this certainly is a wake-up call for some of the Korean teams. Maybe they'll be a bit more aware of the possibility of these signings cuz i think this case just caught them by surprise. | ||
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TBO
Germany1350 Posts
Maybe it shouldn't be a written rule but the teams should honor the fairness during a competition. | ||
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
On July 22 2011 04:01 Grimsong wrote: This is true. Entirely 100%. There was never an open market because the market never opened. Then again, PuMa accepted the offer, so we know he got a good deal. | ||
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