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Slayers_Jessica overreacting to flamers? - Page 43
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Gummy
United States2180 Posts
Trolls thrive off of sarcastic humor. Bullies thrive off of schadenfreude. The former really hurts nobody in 99% of cases. The latter hurts ESports. | ||
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PHC
United States472 Posts
On July 20 2011 01:49 kzn wrote: Except in almost every case the root cause was something completely different, or the "severe harm" was completely laughable. Better to make fun of it than treat it as some holy grail that grants you the moral high ground in every argument. On July 19 2011 23:11 kzn wrote: I think you're missing the point. The mere fact that an image is created by pshopping a face onto someone else's nude does not automatically mean that the image is defamatory or abusive. If photoshopping inappropriate pictures of a 16 year old girl onto porn actresses is not considered "severe harm" for the 16 year old, then what is? Moral high ground in every argument? Because I continuously mention the severity of Korean netizens while you keep bringing up how you would want to live in a world with critics and dissension? On July 19 2011 23:07 kzn wrote: Its not a good thing when people are afraid to say what they think because some random idiot might be offended and prosecute. Btw, your posts in this thread need to "manner up," regardless of your views on internet free speech. On July 19 2011 19:16 kzn wrote: And you don't have an argument. On July 19 2011 23:19 kzn wrote: Last I checked, I don't need to be asked to choose to offer my opinion. On July 19 2011 23:54 kzn wrote: You think this even remotely qualifies as support? I dont give a flying fuck what kind of retarded laws they have in Korea. A he-said/she-said defamation case cannot justifiably be handled in any way other than to throw the case out entirely. Anything else lands you rapidly on a slippery slope to censorship of all kinds. Yes. Apologized for. Not caused jail time, fines, or any kind of criminal punishment whatsoever. There is a big difference. You are an exemplary lesson in irony. | ||
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marttorn
Norway5211 Posts
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brain_
United States812 Posts
>Jessica aggressively prosecutes him Yeah I'd say that is proving his point, lol. | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On July 20 2011 02:19 PHC wrote: If photoshopping inappropriate pictures of a 16 year old girl onto porn actresses is not considered "severe harm" for the 16 year old, then what is? Moral high ground in every argument? Because I continuously mention the severity of Korean netizens while you keep bringing up how you would want to live in a world with critics and dissension? Btw, your posts in this thread need to "manner up," regardless of your views on internet free speech. Eve is 22 if I'm not mistaken, doing the same for a 16 year old may have other penalties relating to minors. I don't see why you used a 16 year old as an example when it's not relevant to this case, unless you're trying to incite a response about age appropriation, there is none, it wouldn't be appropriate in regards to a 16 year old, it's not appropriate in regards to a 22 year old, but when it comes to the 16 year old, you have more going for you when you prosecute. Regardless, when you're famous, this stuff is essentially a part of what happens. Do I feel bad for Eve? Not really. If I could get put on SlayerS out of Gold league and sit next to Cella at the GSTL I would likely not give a flying fuck about people posting that stuff online. | ||
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Namu
United States826 Posts
On July 20 2011 02:01 levarien11111 wrote: this is why i love being in a country with freedom of speech.(although you could make arguments thats its not complete freedom of speech) so that i do not have to worry that much about going to jail for something i said? This troubles me that in korea you can get sent to jail for something you say which is rather preposterous. Now harassment is an entirely different subject but that usually takes at least fifty threatening messages before it is even looked into (made up number but it is quite a few though). feel sorry for the slayers fan though, just offering some constructive criticism :/. lol, most of the people that jessica is suing is in fact the ones that were harassing. she obviously isn't suing people that gave constructive criticism. although I do agree on some parts that she is over reacting, I've seen the photoshopped pictures and the posts myself and I don't think she's over reacting to those at all. there were photos of eve's face photoshopped into porn screenshots with things written below defaming the entire slayers team or jessica or boxer etc. oh and also, suing over internet matters is more common over there in korea, it's a different matter. celebs have committed suicide because of all the harassment on the internet, it's much more serious there. | ||
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levarien11111
United States61 Posts
On July 20 2011 02:06 HydraLF wrote: Freedom of speech is BS, there have to be constraints to how people communicate with each others. You would be wrong to think you can get away after verbally (sexual or not) abusing someone in real life. as i said you can make arguments as to why it is not complete freedom of speech but your a bit wrong in what your saying there, i can verbally tear down someone as long as it is not sexual and the police will not get involved, but of course it could start a fight this is rather different then getting arrested by the police now sexually ,yes you could get some minor problems with that but as i do not intend to do that i do not need to know anything on that subject at all now i said harassment was an entirely different subject which is abusing someone repeatedly verbally and donig things of that nature repeatedly is abuse please think before your post as you are somewhat lacking in intelligence | ||
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PHC
United States472 Posts
On July 20 2011 02:21 marttorn wrote: I can't exactly make an educated comment on this, as I'm not too familiar with SK culture in general, and how they handle these types of situations. I heard that there have been numerous suicides in SK over internet flaming etc., so when thinking of it in that context, and considering the fact that Eve was (reportedly) feeling very upset, I believe Jessica's actions are somewhat justified. I can understand being protective over Eve, Jessica obviously wants to show that a woman can be very successful in SC2. My faith is restored in humanity. Thank you. | ||
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Adeeler
United Kingdom764 Posts
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jax1492
United States1632 Posts
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PHC
United States472 Posts
On July 20 2011 02:23 Mordiford wrote: Eve is 22 if I'm not mistaken, doing the same for a 16 year old may have other penalties relating to minors. I don't why you used 16 year old as an example when it's not relevant to this case, unless you're trying to incite a response about age appropriation, there is none, it wouldn't be appropriate in regards to a 16 year old, it's not appropriate in regards to a 22 year old, but when it comes to the 16 year old, you have more going for you when you prosecute. Regardless, when you're famous, this stuff is essentially a part of what happens. Do I feel bad for Eve? Not really. If I could get put on SlayerS out of Gold league and sit next to Cella at the GSTL I would likely not give a flying fuck about people posting that stuff online. My mistake, I thought someone mentioned her as 16. | ||
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levarien11111
United States61 Posts
On July 20 2011 02:24 Namu wrote: lol, most of the people that jessica is suing is in fact the ones that were harassing. she obviously isn't suing people that gave constructive criticism. although I do agree on some parts that she is over reacting, I've seen the photoshopped pictures and the posts myself and I don't think she's over reacting to those at all. there were photos of eve's face photoshopped into porn screenshots with things written below defaming the entire slayers team or jessica or boxer etc. well i said i feel sorry for the slayers fan and that was all, the rest of your post is well not going against my post so no arguments there.... | ||
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acker
United States2958 Posts
What the hell? | ||
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Namu
United States826 Posts
On July 20 2011 02:26 levarien11111 wrote: well i said i feel sorry for the slayers fan and that was all, the rest of your post is well not going against my post so no arguments there.... you were bringing up freedom of speech which implied that you were saying what she is doing is against freedom of speech, thought it was funny | ||
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Keap
United States214 Posts
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Namu
United States826 Posts
lol the line at the bottom says "her p*ssy is gold as well!," (one of her accounts is in gold league) | ||
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Vipsanius
Netherlands708 Posts
On July 20 2011 02:27 acker wrote: What the hell? Look at the skin color, it can't be her. Jaw-dropping that this is photoshopped with the only purpose to hurt Eve. | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
No, but it doesn't fucking anything. It's the most obvious photoshop in the world just based on the skin color which you can see even with the censored pixelation. Do I think it's appropriate? No. Am I totally fine with it? No. Does it fucking matter? No. She's a gold league player in SlayerS. I could honestly not see myself giving a flying fuck in that position. Focus on proving that you have the skills the stand with the rest of the team and move forward. There's no point getting hung-up on random assholes on the internet when you have an opportunity that very few others get. | ||
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Zandar
Netherlands1541 Posts
The suicides are more a cultural pride issue than an internet trolling issue. I mean look at Lindsey Sporrer, she got a similar shitstorm on her first Nasl day, but she focussed on the positive things and totally ignored the haters. I don't think Jessica is helping Eve at all with this. All this negative energy can seriously take it's toll. The more Jessica will fight this, the more it will grow and the more upset it will make Eve. Helping her would be learning her to ignore the trolls and focus on her fans. | ||
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levarien11111
United States61 Posts
On July 20 2011 02:27 Namu wrote: you were bringing up freedom of speech which implied that you were saying what she is doing is against freedom of speech, thought it was funny nah you can't get sent to jail for something you said on that one day on the internet......which is what i am saying if she is overreacting to some peoples comments that maybe were just telling what happened but in a rather maybe vulgar manner? they get sent to jail for that? really? thats not possible here in the USA so we do not have to worry that much about things like this.... and yes it is against freedom of speech,if i can get sent to jail for something i say did i have the freedom to say it? not really because there was a price i payed to say that | ||
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