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This is the tweet from OnionTaker who is, I think, a translator for Jessica:
On Tuesday 19th July 2011, @oniontaker said:
I don't think people understand what's happening with @SlayerS_Jessica and the legal action. I was talking about it with her, so let me explain her position: she isn't just suing random people, whether fans or antis.
When a female player joined the ranks of SlayerS, certain people photoshopped her into indecent and pornographic images out of spite. Others also spammed sexist, derogatory posts about her Jessica. Eve feels humiliated and hurt by the abuse.
Jessica is not suing the average anti who is saying bad things about SlayerS: she is taking action against people who are immorally persecuting her and one of her team members.
Korean observers see what's happening, but there's some non-Koreans who think that she's just suing random Starcraft fans: this is not true. She's going after the people who are defaming and humiliating one of her team members.
Jessica is trying to protect SlayerS Eve, someone who has only just come into the public eye and doesn't deserve the abuse. She is doing what any person would do to protect their family and friends; if someone close to you was getting that kind of abuse for absolutely no reason, wouldn't you do everything in your power to stop it?
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On July 20 2011 02:35 Zandar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2011 02:24 PHC wrote:On July 20 2011 02:21 marttorn wrote:
I can't exactly make an educated comment on this, as I'm not too familiar with SK culture in general, and how they handle these types of situations. I heard that there have been numerous suicides in SK over internet flaming etc., so when thinking of it in that context, and considering the fact that Eve was (reportedly) feeling very upset, I believe Jessica's actions are somewhat justified. I can understand being protective over Eve, Jessica obviously wants to show that a woman can be very successful in SC2. My faith is restored in humanity. Thank you. The suicides are more a cultural pride issue than an internet trolling issue. I mean look at Lindsey Sporrer, she got a similar shitstorm on her first Nasl day, but she focussed on the positive things and totally ignored the haters. I don't think Jessica is helping Eve at all with this. All this negative energy can seriously take it's toll. The more Jessica will fight this, the more it will grow and the more upset it will make Eve. Helping her would be learning her to ignore the trolls and focus on her fans.
I wouldn't say exactly cultural pride, but rather cultural shame caused by internet flaming.
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On July 20 2011 02:40 FuTon wrote:This is the tweet from OnionTaker who is, I think, a translator for Jessica: Show nested quote +On Tuesday 19th July 2011, @oniontaker said:
I don't think people understand what's happening with @SlayerS_Jessica and the legal action. I was talking about it with her, so let me explain her position: she isn't just suing random people, whether fans or antis.
When a female player joined the ranks of SlayerS, certain people photoshopped her into indecent and pornographic images out of spite. Others also spammed sexist, derogatory posts about her Jessica. Eve feels humiliated and hurt by the abuse.
Jessica is not suing the average anti who is saying bad things about SlayerS: she is taking action against people who are immorally persecuting her and one of her team members.
Korean observers see what's happening, but there's some non-Koreans who think that she's just suing random Starcraft fans: this is not true. She's going after the people who are defaming and humiliating one of her team members.
Jessica is trying to protect SlayerS Eve, someone who has only just come into the public eye and doesn't deserve the abuse. She is doing what any person would do to protect their family and friends; if someone close to you was getting that kind of abuse for absolutely no reason, wouldn't you do everything in your power to stop it?
If the OP can update that with this tweet. It would make this discussion much more useful. Thank you.
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On July 20 2011 02:27 Namu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2011 02:26 levarien11111 wrote:On July 20 2011 02:24 Namu wrote:On July 20 2011 02:01 levarien11111 wrote:
this is why i love being in a country with freedom of speech.(although you could make arguments thats its not complete freedom of speech)
so that i do not have to worry that much about going to jail for something i said? This troubles me that in korea you can get sent to jail for something you say which is rather preposterous.
Now harassment is an entirely different subject but that usually takes at least fifty threatening messages before it is even looked into (made up number but it is quite a few though).
feel sorry for the slayers fan though, just offering some constructive criticism :/. lol, most of the people that jessica is suing is in fact the ones that were harassing. she obviously isn't suing people that gave constructive criticism. although I do agree on some parts that she is over reacting, I've seen the photoshopped pictures and the posts myself and I don't think she's over reacting to those at all. there were photos of eve's face photoshopped into porn screenshots with things written below defaming the entire slayers team or jessica or boxer etc. well i said i feel sorry for the slayers fan and that was all, the rest of your post is well not going against my post so no arguments there.... you were bringing up freedom of speech which implied that you were saying what she is doing is against freedom of speech, thought it was funny
I'm curious, what's this all say?
http://twitpic.com/5rzlc9
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I wouldn't say exactly cultural pride, but rather cultural shame caused by internet flaming.
No it's the other way around. Internet flaming is an example of the issue, but not the cause.
Children who don't make it to university commit suicide because of their parents damaged pride. Single parent working mother commit suicide because of shame to society. A 22 year old women is "seriously abused" by her head on a nude picture, etc.
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If it hadn't been Slayers_Jessica doing the swinging I would have dismissed this as an over reaction. However I have much more respect for her then many notable SC2 Pros. I'll trust her judgement that this is not an over reaction and wish SlayerS the best.
Even if I disagree wholeheartedly with SlayerS_Eve being on the team.
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On July 20 2011 02:46 Probe1 wrote:
If it hadn't been Slayers_Jessica doing the swinging I would have dismissed this as an over reaction. However I have much more respect for her then many notable SC2 Pros. I'll trust her judgement that this is not an over reaction and wish SlayerS the best.
Even if I disagree wholeheartedly with SlayerS_Eve being on the team.
That's right, whether Eve belongs on SlayerS or not is not important. The thing that she's now apart of the SlayerS family and SlayerSJessica is doing her best protecting a fellow SlayerS
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On July 20 2011 02:40 FuTon wrote:This is the tweet from OnionTaker who is, I think, a translator for Jessica: Show nested quote +On Tuesday 19th July 2011, @oniontaker said:
I don't think people understand what's happening with @SlayerS_Jessica and the legal action. I was talking about it with her, so let me explain her position: she isn't just suing random people, whether fans or antis.
When a female player joined the ranks of SlayerS, certain people photoshopped her into indecent and pornographic images out of spite. Others also spammed sexist, derogatory posts about her Jessica. Eve feels humiliated and hurt by the abuse.
Jessica is not suing the average anti who is saying bad things about SlayerS: she is taking action against people who are immorally persecuting her and one of her team members.
Korean observers see what's happening, but there's some non-Koreans who think that she's just suing random Starcraft fans: this is not true. She's going after the people who are defaming and humiliating one of her team members.
Jessica is trying to protect SlayerS Eve, someone who has only just come into the public eye and doesn't deserve the abuse. She is doing what any person would do to protect their family and friends; if someone close to you was getting that kind of abuse for absolutely no reason, wouldn't you do everything in your power to stop it?
This needs to be added to the OP.
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It's a known fact that korean netizens can be extremely rude on the internet (Stork's girlfriend anyone?). I think Jessica is doing the right thing, since there's a minor involved.
Hopefully these idiots will think twice before posting offensive pictures and stuff next time.
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The spat with the 16 year old tweeter and other fans like her is completely stupid and counter productive. The legal action taken against the groups on the photo message boards is understandable. I don't know anything about the Korean legal system, but I would assume based on some of these posts that Slayers Jessica has a case.
However, this whole thing is kinda stupid, I don't really understand what Eve is doing there, she seems to be there exclusively because she is female, which is stupid. We shall see.
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On July 20 2011 02:50 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2011 02:46 Probe1 wrote:
If it hadn't been Slayers_Jessica doing the swinging I would have dismissed this as an over reaction. However I have much more respect for her then many notable SC2 Pros. I'll trust her judgement that this is not an over reaction and wish SlayerS the best.
Even if I disagree wholeheartedly with SlayerS_Eve being on the team. That's right, whether Eve belongs on SlayerS or not is not important. The thing that she's now apart of the SlayerS family and SlayerSJessica is doing her best protecting her surrogate children
the way I see it.
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Sources for your perusal:
1.The tweet in question:
이젠 더이상 간과하지 않을거예요. 최종준비 완료. 약속은 반드시 지키겠습니다.
Shamelessly googled translation: Something about preparations being ready
http://yfrog.com/kfio1zyj
OP's picture.
http://yfrog.com/kkmtkej
Search of her name 김가연 on twitter, displaying top tweets. Seen here is the cat icon of Haeun_cielu with the tweet
자꾸 떡밥 올려서 죄송한데 김가연 키배 정리입니다. 리트윗해주시면 감사하겠습니다. 정리해주신 스투갤러분께 무한감사 http://twitpic.com/5rzlc9
S.G.T :Something about apologizing for uploading something
Other tweets (Ju_diamac, Nal_DaRamG) linking the website below.
2.http://www.inven.co.kr/webzine/news/?news=37217
Korean news(?) site.
S.G.T:
Kim Ka Yeon preparing to sue
Wants apology
Kim Shee-Yoon targeted with profanities, sexually offensive material for nine weeks.
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[Edit: Just to be clear, I am not saying she is overreacting for taking people who has insulted Eve in sexual ways (putting Eve's face on AV) to the police. I am saying she is not being careful enough to exclude justified criticisms, and private discussions which would remain private unless she brings it out to the public.
This is a red herring and you know it. Seriously? You're offended at the idea of her releasing private twitter messages?
A crappy headline like "Is she overreacting?" is a disgusting dismissal of hate
[Edit 2: She DID NOT sue this girl. she had a public argument, detail in the spoiler]
How is this is this relevant at all then
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On July 20 2011 02:46 Probe1 wrote:
If it hadn't been Slayers_Jessica doing the swinging I would have dismissed this as an over reaction. However I have much more respect for her then many notable SC2 Pros. I'll trust her judgement that this is not an over reaction and wish SlayerS the best.
Even if I disagree wholeheartedly with SlayerS_Eve being on the team.
That seems a little strange to me, it's not an over reaction because it's Jessica?
She's great and all but I think she's over reacting here, and just because she is who she is, she doesn't really get a free pass to be absurd.
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I love SlayerS, and reacting the way she has is understandable because such a large emotional investment in the team. Unfortunately for her, she's just asking to make it worse by doing this. You don't push the internet and not expect it to push back. She best be ready to weather the storm.
Maybe this isn't the thread for this, but why oh why is Eve even on the team? They should seriously just snag up tossgirl, she could definitely do some damage at least internationally in SC2.
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bravo to jessica for standing up. why join the bullies when you can beat them?
the term overreacting is relative. you do what you have to do to protect the people you are responsible for.
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On July 20 2011 02:40 FuTon wrote:This is the tweet from OnionTaker who is, I think, a translator for Jessica: Show nested quote +On Tuesday 19th July 2011, @oniontaker said:
I don't think people understand what's happening with @SlayerS_Jessica and the legal action. I was talking about it with her, so let me explain her position: she isn't just suing random people, whether fans or antis.
When a female player joined the ranks of SlayerS, certain people photoshopped her into indecent and pornographic images out of spite. Others also spammed sexist, derogatory posts about her Jessica. Eve feels humiliated and hurt by the abuse.
Jessica is not suing the average anti who is saying bad things about SlayerS: she is taking action against people who are immorally persecuting her and one of her team members.
Korean observers see what's happening, but there's some non-Koreans who think that she's just suing random Starcraft fans: this is not true. She's going after the people who are defaming and humiliating one of her team members.
Jessica is trying to protect SlayerS Eve, someone who has only just come into the public eye and doesn't deserve the abuse. She is doing what any person would do to protect their family and friends; if someone close to you was getting that kind of abuse for absolutely no reason, wouldn't you do everything in your power to stop it?
This being the case I'm siding with Jessica on this one then, alot of this thread made it sound like she was spam suing but that not being the case I think this is a reasonable response to the situation. There's no reason for her to tolerate that especially if there's SK law allowing her to take legal action.
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On July 20 2011 02:35 Zandar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2011 02:24 PHC wrote:On July 20 2011 02:21 marttorn wrote:
I can't exactly make an educated comment on this, as I'm not too familiar with SK culture in general, and how they handle these types of situations. I heard that there have been numerous suicides in SK over internet flaming etc., so when thinking of it in that context, and considering the fact that Eve was (reportedly) feeling very upset, I believe Jessica's actions are somewhat justified. I can understand being protective over Eve, Jessica obviously wants to show that a woman can be very successful in SC2. My faith is restored in humanity. Thank you. The suicides are more a cultural pride issue than an internet trolling issue. I mean look at Lindsey Sporrer, she got a similar shitstorm on her first Nasl day, but she focussed on the positive things and totally ignored the haters. I don't think Jessica is helping Eve at all with this. All this negative energy can seriously take it's toll. The more Jessica will fight this, the more it will grow and the more upset it will make Eve. Helping her would be learning her to ignore the trolls and focus on her fans.
As far as I know nobody photoshopped Lindseys face on a porn star.
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On July 20 2011 03:06 dogmeatstew wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2011 02:40 FuTon wrote:This is the tweet from OnionTaker who is, I think, a translator for Jessica: On Tuesday 19th July 2011, @oniontaker said:
I don't think people understand what's happening with @SlayerS_Jessica and the legal action. I was talking about it with her, so let me explain her position: she isn't just suing random people, whether fans or antis.
When a female player joined the ranks of SlayerS, certain people photoshopped her into indecent and pornographic images out of spite. Others also spammed sexist, derogatory posts about her Jessica. Eve feels humiliated and hurt by the abuse.
Jessica is not suing the average anti who is saying bad things about SlayerS: she is taking action against people who are immorally persecuting her and one of her team members.
Korean observers see what's happening, but there's some non-Koreans who think that she's just suing random Starcraft fans: this is not true. She's going after the people who are defaming and humiliating one of her team members.
Jessica is trying to protect SlayerS Eve, someone who has only just come into the public eye and doesn't deserve the abuse. She is doing what any person would do to protect their family and friends; if someone close to you was getting that kind of abuse for absolutely no reason, wouldn't you do everything in your power to stop it? This being the case I'm siding with Jessica on this one then, alot of this thread made it sound like she was spam suing but that not being the case I think this is a reasonable response to the situation. There's no reason for her to tolerate that especially if there's SK law allowing her to take legal action.
that puts a lot of things in perspective. You could argue that these things happen all the time, but Jessica's initiative is a good starting point to saying enough is enough. People can question Eve's qualifications in a civil manner, but that's not what is going on here.
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On July 20 2011 03:08 Zhiroo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2011 02:35 Zandar wrote:On July 20 2011 02:24 PHC wrote:On July 20 2011 02:21 marttorn wrote:
I can't exactly make an educated comment on this, as I'm not too familiar with SK culture in general, and how they handle these types of situations. I heard that there have been numerous suicides in SK over internet flaming etc., so when thinking of it in that context, and considering the fact that Eve was (reportedly) feeling very upset, I believe Jessica's actions are somewhat justified. I can understand being protective over Eve, Jessica obviously wants to show that a woman can be very successful in SC2. My faith is restored in humanity. Thank you. The suicides are more a cultural pride issue than an internet trolling issue. I mean look at Lindsey Sporrer, she got a similar shitstorm on her first Nasl day, but she focussed on the positive things and totally ignored the haters. I don't think Jessica is helping Eve at all with this. All this negative energy can seriously take it's toll. The more Jessica will fight this, the more it will grow and the more upset it will make Eve. Helping her would be learning her to ignore the trolls and focus on her fans. As far as I know nobody photoshopped Lindseys face on a porn star.
There are plenty of other examples in the west and to my knowledge there aren't many suicides attributed to internet hate.
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