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On July 18 2011 14:47 PeachTea wrote:
Hey, really good post. I think you could also add, let us make custom games with titles so if i want to play a Protoss diamond player on tal darim, i can make a game with the title, "w2pdaimPRO" or something; and you will know what map anyways cause it'll show on the side bar or something.
Ya I completely agree with this... an list of ACTIVE games being hosted would be great, because then even not so popular good custom games could get attention if people actively host it... and of course specific game types can be advertised.
Regardless... all of this is very late. Bnet 2.0 has been terrible for awhile, and even with the additions they have made over a year after we made it clear that we want things changed... it's still underwhelming. I wonder why decent updates are taking so long though, when they have a team working specifically on it.
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Seeing what they've added to the game since the start of public beta, and how much, does not give me much hope.
But of course your suggestions are great and the fact they've had them in previous titles plus being able to see other games' functionality (like features in lol/hon) make this extremely frustrating
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On July 18 2011 17:19 Disquiet wrote:
Yes BNET 0.2 is terrible and everyone knows there are infinite ways it can be improved. Blizzard has made some efforts with the chat channels but for bigger changers its probably too difficult to redesign without disrupting the existing service. I can only hope they fix it with HOTS but I wouldn't count on it.
I sure hope the lead designer lost his job, because the product he put out was pretty but functionally inferior to BW's BNET, a 13 year old service.
I don't see Dustin Browder losing his job considering the unquestionably massive success SC2 has been, but go ahead and keep on being angry...
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I would honestly be happy with LAN. Have you played the game on single player? My god it's awesome not playing on battle.net. The response time is incredible
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On July 18 2011 16:56 Painfck wrote:statistics yes. clan making yes. interface changes? hell no. i like the interface. its not the same as broodwar or warcraft 3 but then again the game isn't called broodwar or warcraft 3 
The interface is pretty bad, though admittedly battlenet never had a great interface its still terrible by modern standards. It looks nice but its horrible to navigate. You can't see lobby chat while viewing someones profile. Theres no way to quickly discern a players league, instead you have to wait 5-10 seconds for their profile to load. There is no reliable way to whisper a stranger(without a friend code) even if they are in the same game as you. When you join a custom game with an AFK host there IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO, not even join another game because of how the system works. The interface is just a pain to navigate in general, to see a players match history I have to wait atleast 30 seconds for all the different pages you have to go through to load. Not to mention I frequently hit the wrong tab and have to start all over again even after using the service for a year, its not very intuitive.
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On July 18 2011 17:23 Divergence wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 17:19 Disquiet wrote:
Yes BNET 0.2 is terrible and everyone knows there are infinite ways it can be improved. Blizzard has made some efforts with the chat channels but for bigger changers its probably too difficult to redesign without disrupting the existing service. I can only hope they fix it with HOTS but I wouldn't count on it.
I sure hope the lead designer lost his job, because the product he put out was pretty but functionally inferior to BW's BNET, a 13 year old service. I don't see Dustin Browder losing his job considering the unquestionably massive success SC2 has been, but go ahead and keep on being angry...
I'm fairly sure browder didn't design bnet 2.0. He made starcraft 2, which is an excellent game. The online platform however is not very good.
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I pretty much agree with all the additions you suggested. Clan support needs to be the first one though. I honestly don't know why an 8 year old game like WC3 has more Battle.net features then SC2. The only thing SC2 does better is matchmaking.
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On July 18 2011 15:03 Highways wrote:
Agreed!
Also would like to see:
- Unranked auto matchmaking.
- A better custom games interface so lesser known high quality games are actually played. (Right now if it's not on the first 2 pages, no one will ever join).
- Detailed winrates statistics.
- Tournement/Live streams embeded into bnet.
- In your face promotions of tournament and streams.
Definitely. Unranked auto matchmaking would be just too good that I wouldn't play any more ranked games if this was implemented.
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30th thread saying the same thing.
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On July 18 2011 16:56 Painfck wrote:statistics yes. clan making yes. interface changes? hell no. i like the interface. its not the same as broodwar or warcraft 3 but then again the game isn't called broodwar or warcraft 3
Don't tell me, this is your first RTS right? Because if you had ever played BW, you wouldn't be talking like that. Yes, this is not BW or WC3, this is a supposedly newer and better game but this doesn't mean that we need to have a plain bad interface. We need to have a much better one.
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The biggest change it needs is to fix the terrible terrible custom game system. I really don't know how Blizzard can live with what they have right now, it's sooooo dumb.
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On July 18 2011 18:02 superbabosheki wrote:
The biggest change it needs is to fix the terrible terrible custom game system. I really don't know how Blizzard can live with what they have right now, it's sooooo dumb.
I think it's better then WC3 - I know a lot of my friends couldn't port forward for whatever reason, and I was on a business plan so I couldn't port forward either so we couldn't play a game with just us, we always had to join someone elses. I like how it's a 'lobby' of some sort and battle.net hosts the game. I think it's their best idea in battle.net 2.0
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I really like all of your ideas.
I don't see why Blizzard is not adding this stuff. Blizz is a company and like any other company their primary goal is making money. I'd understand it if they added this stuff when the expansions come out and charged it, because this is how you make money, right?
But on the other hand I think blizz also wants everyone to play like little nerd virgins who don't do anything else other than wasting one's time in battlenet as much as possible. I think an improved battlenet would help this a ton. It indeed would be way more fun just to go online to talk to a bunch of friends if you got all of this stuff. You'd get addicted way faster and this is what they want. They don't want us to have lives, so why not add something that makes it hard to have one besides it?
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Detailed list.
I never knew about automated tournaments... I would love for that to be implemented.
Just so I can get a fake sense of accomplishment whenever I get third place.
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On July 18 2011 15:03 Highways wrote:
Agreed!
Also would like to see:
- Unranked auto matchmaking.
I would really like this. I like to play warmup games before I start laddering. I really need time to "grease the groove" before I get started, sometime it takes a good 4 average lengthed games to feel mentally and physically prepared. It's annoying when I run into some silver player who's a 40 year old woman or something and makes 2 cannons and 12 probes then tries to rush carriers. I don't get much out of stomping such a player, and they probably don't get much enjoyment from playing me. I'd like to warmup against other masters or at least diamond players.
It would also be good for low-pressure practice and for offracing/learning a new race. An issue I can see with it, however, is that players might just insta-leave if it's a mu they don't like. Maybe there could be a feature to veto certain matchups/maps and it could work as a feature to practice vs specific things. It would be a sort of "practice mode" that still matched players skill levels.
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Every month there is a topic like this. Im pretty sure we talked this trough atleast 100 times. Bnet 0.2 is terrible design and has countless problems.
Till Blizz figure out wtf to do, nothing will change. They said many thing is on their "to do" list, i wonder what is their first priority.
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On July 18 2011 17:19 Disquiet wrote:
Yes BNET 0.2 is terrible and everyone knows there are infinite ways it can be improved. Blizzard has made some efforts with the chat channels but for bigger changers its probably too difficult to redesign without disrupting the existing service. I can only hope they fix it with HOTS but I wouldn't count on it.
I sure hope the lead designer lost his job, because the product he put out was pretty but functionally inferior to BW's BNET, a 13 year old service.
Re-posting this because it had to be said. As far as I know the main/lead designer of b.net 2.0 was the guy who did X-Box live. I severely and adamantly hope he gets (or got?) fired for the piss-on-the-seat, epic fail piece of garbage.
On July 18 2011 17:27 Disquiet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 16:56 Painfck wrote:statistics yes. clan making yes. interface changes? hell no. i like the interface. its not the same as broodwar or warcraft 3 but then again the game isn't called broodwar or warcraft 3 The interface is pretty bad, though admittedly battlenet never had a great interface its still terrible by modern standards. It looks nice but its horrible to navigate. You can't see lobby chat while viewing someones profile. Theres no way to quickly discern a players league, instead you have to wait 5-10 seconds for their profile to load. There is no reliable way to whisper a stranger(without a friend code) even if they are in the same game as you. When you join a custom game with an AFK host there IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO, not even join another game because of how the system works. The interface is just a pain to navigate in general, to see a players match history I have to wait atleast 30 seconds for all the different pages you have to go through to load. Not to mention I frequently hit the wrong tab and have to start all over again even after using the service for a year, its not very intuitive.
This. Plus he probably left out 5 other things.
On July 18 2011 18:04 MonkSEA wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 18:02 superbabosheki wrote:
The biggest change it needs is to fix the terrible terrible custom game system. I really don't know how Blizzard can live with what they have right now, it's sooooo dumb.
I think it's better then WC3 - I know a lot of my friends couldn't port forward for whatever reason, and I was on a business plan so I couldn't port forward either so we couldn't play a game with just us, we always had to join someone elses. I like how it's a 'lobby' of some sort and battle.net hosts the game. I think it's their best idea in battle.net 2.0
1. That's not really blizzard's fault
2. That has absolutely nothing to do with the custom game system, that is network mechanics.
On July 18 2011 18:24 Darksoldierr wrote:
Every month there is a topic like this. Im pretty sure we talked this trough atleast 100 times. Bnet 0.2 is terrible design and has countless problems.
Till Blizz figure out wtf to do, nothing will change. They said many thing is on their "to do" list, i wonder what is their first priority. I think I (personally) could honestly say I'd rather have a perfect —or probably even near-perfect— b.net 2.0 than HotS, especially if I could only choose one. Obviously it's not necessarily the case that b.net 2.0 would be near-perfection if they worked on it instead of HotS.
One big issue is that fixing battle.net doesn't make them dick-all worth of money. Hardly anyone is going to buy SC2 for the sole/main reason that battle.net was fixed. I suppose for that reason it kind-of automatically pushes the priority back a bit — not to say that they don't make major feature improvements and additions at all, or even regularly, I'm just pointing something out.
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Replays with friends is desperately needed, probably more than anything.
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I guess that eventually Blizzard will fix BattleNet 0.2. Probably in some lame-ass expansion, or when they really screwed up somewhere. They will use all these features to make up with the community.
There is no sane reason why Blizzard isn't putting all these features in Bnet 0.2, none.
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Blizzard don't care guys.. You should've realized that by now..
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