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On July 15 2011 13:10 iNcontroL wrote:
tb didn't move to sc2 because he has always had a passion for sc guys.. he did it to make money. Giving money back to the community is awesome.. but it isn't 100% selfless so please don't act like it is.
I was asked if I take offense to Lindsey being hired by an SC2 league.. I pointed out that I don't and I take MORE offense to people moving to the SC community purely to make money. If they do great things while doing that wonderful.. we all benefit. But I prefer those that were here from the beginning. I don't hate TB or anything like that at all.. I just find it less awesome is all.
You're behaving like a hypocrite. Countless people moved from SC to SC2 because they believed they had a higher chance of making money, in both player roles and associated roles such as casters. Money wasn't the main incentive though, most of them had an extreme passion for the game and/or gaming in general.
TB is fantastic; his passion for gaming is extremely diverse and because he's passionate about what he does, he's managed to turn it into a profitable venture. If you spent 10 minutes browsing his youtube channel, you'd see he puts back copious amounts into the gaming community at large, making countless videos promoting unheard indie games and broadening their appeal to his audience. If he was purely driven to make money, he would never have wasted his time with these things.
Myself, as a gamer with a wide range of interests of which starcraft is one in particular, can objectively look at TB and say he's done more for gaming at large than you have. It's disgusting to make hypocritical attacks on a well-intentioned member of the gaming community such as TB while on the other hand defend some pretty-faced model who clearly came to the NASL finals in order to promote herself and make a quick buck, knowing absolutely nothing about SC2 (or gaming) in general.
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On July 15 2011 13:33 Nalesnik wrote:![[image loading]](http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/6207/totalbiscuitmoney.jpg) + Show Spoiler +Note: I did the text in comic sans, so you know it's a joke. 
LOL.
Maybe taking it to far. Still funny tho.
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On July 15 2011 13:34 LilClinkin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 13:10 iNcontroL wrote:
tb didn't move to sc2 because he has always had a passion for sc guys.. he did it to make money. Giving money back to the community is awesome.. but it isn't 100% selfless so please don't act like it is.
I was asked if I take offense to Lindsey being hired by an SC2 league.. I pointed out that I don't and I take MORE offense to people moving to the SC community purely to make money. If they do great things while doing that wonderful.. we all benefit. But I prefer those that were here from the beginning. I don't hate TB or anything like that at all.. I just find it less awesome is all. You're behaving like a hypocrite. Countless people moved from SC to SC2 because they believed they had a higher chance of making money, in both player roles and associated roles such as casters. Money wasn't the main incentive though, most of them had an extreme passion for the game and/or gaming in general. TB is fantastic; his passion for gaming is extremely diverse and because he's passionate about what he does, he's managed to turn it into a profitable venture. If you spent 10 minutes browsing his youtube channel, you'd see he puts back copious amounts into the gaming community at large, making countless videos promoting unheard indie games and broadening their appeal to his audience. If he was purely driven to make money, he would never have wasted his time with these things. Myself, as a gamer with a wide range of interests of which starcraft is one in particular, can objectively look at TB and say he's done more for gaming at large than you have. It's disgusting to make hypocritical attacks on a well-intentioned member of the gaming community such as TB while on the other hand defend some pretty-faced model who clearly came to the NASL finals in order to promote herself and make a quick buck, knowing absolutely nothing about SC2 (or gaming) in general.
Umm, you do realize most of TB's income actually comes from YouTube videos? Just saying... That's kinda half his job... Nothing to do with passion in some cases, like TB doesn't even play WoW anymore but he knows that brings in the most profit cos more people view it, so he still does WoW coverage at times like Cata beta
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"I think in order for Starcraft and e-sports in general to continue growing it’s important to break away from the mold of thinking we need Artosis for instance at every event doing every interview-"
I completely disagree with this statement, sure we don't need someone who pretty much lives and breathes starcraft, like artosis, but someone like Lindsey wont understand the extremely detailed concepts of starcraft, and that will always be extremely obvious. An example of a question from someone who obviously knows a thing or two about starcraft is:
MLG: Zerg as a whole did very well in Columbus, taking five of the Top 8 spots. You've been very open with your criticism of Zerg being the weakest race for the majority of SC2's lifespan; do you feel like the results in Columbus were an anomaly, or that Zergs have begun to solidify timings and regain control of the various matchups?
Keep in mind I'm not saying Lindsey is stupid, but she would never ask a question like that unless she was the type of person that will regularily ladder and/or watch streams, and it will always be obvious in the interviews when the interviewer isn't involved in starcraft.
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I'd like to just start off by saying that I love Incontrol and to be frank really dislike Tb's commentary and lack of professionalism at times (Which Incontrol is guilty of at times aswell I think) therefore I probably bias but I still think my point holds true. That being said I do not think it was wise of Incontrol to just drop that in the interview. Maybe Incontrol knows something we don't or has approached Tb from a different angle than the average viewer.
Though ultimately my point is that I feel like Tb hasn't put in the time and effort to actually to learn sc2 in depth at all. If you listen to him commentate, it just isn't intelligent and I feel like that he just gets by with his accent instead of putting the time and effort into learning the game and at least trying to be an intelligent and entertaining caster instead of just capitalizing on his diction, pronunciation and his flow. I just feel like casters have an obligation to know what they are talking about. And totalbiscuit just isn't putting forth that effort and maybe incontrol shares my sentiment.
But hell this is all speculation and i probably know only a quarter of the facts, but i do understand Incontrol's statement and where he is coming from.
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On July 15 2011 13:37 AlissyXOXO wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 13:34 LilClinkin wrote:On July 15 2011 13:10 iNcontroL wrote:
tb didn't move to sc2 because he has always had a passion for sc guys.. he did it to make money. Giving money back to the community is awesome.. but it isn't 100% selfless so please don't act like it is.
I was asked if I take offense to Lindsey being hired by an SC2 league.. I pointed out that I don't and I take MORE offense to people moving to the SC community purely to make money. If they do great things while doing that wonderful.. we all benefit. But I prefer those that were here from the beginning. I don't hate TB or anything like that at all.. I just find it less awesome is all. You're behaving like a hypocrite. Countless people moved from SC to SC2 because they believed they had a higher chance of making money, in both player roles and associated roles such as casters. Money wasn't the main incentive though, most of them had an extreme passion for the game and/or gaming in general. TB is fantastic; his passion for gaming is extremely diverse and because he's passionate about what he does, he's managed to turn it into a profitable venture. If you spent 10 minutes browsing his youtube channel, you'd see he puts back copious amounts into the gaming community at large, making countless videos promoting unheard indie games and broadening their appeal to his audience. If he was purely driven to make money, he would never have wasted his time with these things. Myself, as a gamer with a wide range of interests of which starcraft is one in particular, can objectively look at TB and say he's done more for gaming at large than you have. It's disgusting to make hypocritical attacks on a well-intentioned member of the gaming community such as TB while on the other hand defend some pretty-faced model who clearly came to the NASL finals in order to promote herself and make a quick buck, knowing absolutely nothing about SC2 (or gaming) in general. Umm, you do realize most of TB's income actually comes from YouTube videos? Just saying... That's kinda half his job... Nothing to do with passion in some cases, like TB doesn't even play WoW anymore but he knows that brings in the most profit cos more people view it, so he still does WoW coverage at times like Cata beta
He played WoW up to, during, and after the Cataclysm beta. He only recently quit (recently as in a few months ago).
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I honestly take more offense at people coming from other sports just to make money in Starcraft II--someone like TotalBiscuit.
Coming from Incontrol, this is laughable.... This is a guy that coaches instead of practices as a pro, to make money. This is a guy that got paid to commentate and hype NASL (rather than do it for free like Day9/TB/others have done many tournaments). This is coming from a guy that largely makes his money off of the community rather than giving anything tangible back to it because he isn't even a good enough player to win anything significant and earn money in that regard. He gets paid for his sponsors exposure, so he goes and does talk shows instead of training because he isn't good enough to actually win stuff or place well.
What a fucking joke.
There was absolutely no requirement for you to say something like that in this interview, Geoff. Now you just seem like a massive douchebag, especially considering that you don't actually give anything tangible to this community for free like Day9, and countless others (Mr. Bitter, Artosis, etc.)
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I thought Lindsay Sporrer added some nice eye candy. I also found her questions amusing to say the least. Down with the haters!
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On July 15 2011 13:42 Pooploop wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 13:37 AlissyXOXO wrote:On July 15 2011 13:34 LilClinkin wrote:On July 15 2011 13:10 iNcontroL wrote:
tb didn't move to sc2 because he has always had a passion for sc guys.. he did it to make money. Giving money back to the community is awesome.. but it isn't 100% selfless so please don't act like it is.
I was asked if I take offense to Lindsey being hired by an SC2 league.. I pointed out that I don't and I take MORE offense to people moving to the SC community purely to make money. If they do great things while doing that wonderful.. we all benefit. But I prefer those that were here from the beginning. I don't hate TB or anything like that at all.. I just find it less awesome is all. You're behaving like a hypocrite. Countless people moved from SC to SC2 because they believed they had a higher chance of making money, in both player roles and associated roles such as casters. Money wasn't the main incentive though, most of them had an extreme passion for the game and/or gaming in general. TB is fantastic; his passion for gaming is extremely diverse and because he's passionate about what he does, he's managed to turn it into a profitable venture. If you spent 10 minutes browsing his youtube channel, you'd see he puts back copious amounts into the gaming community at large, making countless videos promoting unheard indie games and broadening their appeal to his audience. If he was purely driven to make money, he would never have wasted his time with these things. Myself, as a gamer with a wide range of interests of which starcraft is one in particular, can objectively look at TB and say he's done more for gaming at large than you have. It's disgusting to make hypocritical attacks on a well-intentioned member of the gaming community such as TB while on the other hand defend some pretty-faced model who clearly came to the NASL finals in order to promote herself and make a quick buck, knowing absolutely nothing about SC2 (or gaming) in general. Umm, you do realize most of TB's income actually comes from YouTube videos? Just saying... That's kinda half his job... Nothing to do with passion in some cases, like TB doesn't even play WoW anymore but he knows that brings in the most profit cos more people view it, so he still does WoW coverage at times like Cata beta He played WoW up to, during, and after the Cataclysm beta. He only recently quit (recently as in a few months ago).
He stated on IRC that he didn't even play anymore, but he still does beta coverage during the beta... Also that he had no interest in the game... Maybe he was exaggerating, but "playing" the beta, he obviously needed footage and maybe he played a little after too to see what it was like on release but I don't think it was actually playing.
Also Edit: I'm not saying I dislike TB, I like him a lot and talked to him occasionally over the years, and I think he has an awesome voice/accent. But just saying, it's his job, and he makes money off it. Everyone would if they had the talent and skill to, it's not like he's some crazy martyr out there to save the world of gaming
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I'm not sure how you can criticise that TB does Starcraft 2 only for money, when he's stated multiple times that Starcraft 2 is the only game he plays for personal enjoyment.
Do you think less of players who never played SC1, and moved to SC2 from Warcraft 3 or other RTS's because there's more money in it?
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On July 15 2011 13:44 bennyaus wrote:Show nested quote + I honestly take more offense at people coming from other sports just to make money in Starcraft II--someone like TotalBiscuit. Coming from Incontrol, this is laughable.... This is a guy that coaches instead of practices as a pro, to make money. This is a guy that got paid to commentate and hype NASL (rather than do it for free like Day9/TB/others have done many tournaments). This is coming from a guy that largely makes his money off of the community rather than giving anything tangible back to it because he isn't even a good enough player to win anything significant and earn money in that regard. He gets paid for his sponsors exposure, so he goes and does talk shows instead of training because he isn't good enough to actually win stuff or place well. What a fucking joke.
Ill preface this saying I don't agree with iNc:
You really don't understand his point.
iNc has been involved in sc and sc2 FROM THE BEGINNING.
To say he's done nothing for the community is also completely untrue, and just plain stupid
He has NOTHING against people making money, he was just saying he took more offense to someone SWITCHING to sc2 to make money, than to lindsey.
I Also don't know if you realised, doing 2 shows, casting 9-5, iNc still managed to squeek into season 2 of NASL, while thats not a huge accomplishment, now without NASL thats 40hours+ more a week he has open to train, not to mention the EG house.
Attacking him personally, instead of trying to understand and or argue his point is just inflammatory and downright ignorant.
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On July 15 2011 13:44 bennyaus wrote:Show nested quote + I honestly take more offense at people coming from other sports just to make money in Starcraft II--someone like TotalBiscuit. Coming from Incontrol, this is laughable.... This is a guy that coaches instead of practices as a pro, to make money. This is a guy that got paid to commentate and hype NASL (rather than do it for free like Day9/TB/others have done many tournaments). This is coming from a guy that largely makes his money off of the community rather than giving anything tangible back to it because he isn't even a good enough player to win anything significant and earn money in that regard. He gets paid for his sponsors exposure, so he goes and does talk shows instead of training because he isn't good enough to actually win stuff or place well. What a fucking joke.
Good to see you said it as nicely as you could. INC actually streams games and talks about what he did right and wrong, was on SOTG for a ton of episodes talking about match-ups, making us laugh, etc, he has held his own at MLG and has been a part of this community forever. Why go and shit on him like that?
Not to mention making a ton of fallacies and not actually arguing against his points. Calling someone a hypocrite isn't an logical argument.
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On July 15 2011 13:46 AlissyXOXO wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 13:42 Pooploop wrote:On July 15 2011 13:37 AlissyXOXO wrote:On July 15 2011 13:34 LilClinkin wrote:On July 15 2011 13:10 iNcontroL wrote:
tb didn't move to sc2 because he has always had a passion for sc guys.. he did it to make money. Giving money back to the community is awesome.. but it isn't 100% selfless so please don't act like it is.
I was asked if I take offense to Lindsey being hired by an SC2 league.. I pointed out that I don't and I take MORE offense to people moving to the SC community purely to make money. If they do great things while doing that wonderful.. we all benefit. But I prefer those that were here from the beginning. I don't hate TB or anything like that at all.. I just find it less awesome is all. You're behaving like a hypocrite. Countless people moved from SC to SC2 because they believed they had a higher chance of making money, in both player roles and associated roles such as casters. Money wasn't the main incentive though, most of them had an extreme passion for the game and/or gaming in general. TB is fantastic; his passion for gaming is extremely diverse and because he's passionate about what he does, he's managed to turn it into a profitable venture. If you spent 10 minutes browsing his youtube channel, you'd see he puts back copious amounts into the gaming community at large, making countless videos promoting unheard indie games and broadening their appeal to his audience. If he was purely driven to make money, he would never have wasted his time with these things. Myself, as a gamer with a wide range of interests of which starcraft is one in particular, can objectively look at TB and say he's done more for gaming at large than you have. It's disgusting to make hypocritical attacks on a well-intentioned member of the gaming community such as TB while on the other hand defend some pretty-faced model who clearly came to the NASL finals in order to promote herself and make a quick buck, knowing absolutely nothing about SC2 (or gaming) in general. Umm, you do realize most of TB's income actually comes from YouTube videos? Just saying... That's kinda half his job... Nothing to do with passion in some cases, like TB doesn't even play WoW anymore but he knows that brings in the most profit cos more people view it, so he still does WoW coverage at times like Cata beta He played WoW up to, during, and after the Cataclysm beta. He only recently quit (recently as in a few months ago). He stated on IRC that he didn't even play anymore, but he still does beta coverage during the beta... Also that he had no interest in the game... Maybe he was exaggerating, but "playing" the beta, he obviously needed footage and maybe he played a little after too to see what it was like on release but I don't think it was actually playing. Also Edit: I'm not saying I dislike TB, I like him a lot and talked to him occasionally over the years, and I think he has an awesome voice/accent. But just saying, it's his job, and he makes money off it. Everyone would if they had the talent and skill to, it's not like he's some crazy martyr out there to save the world of gaming
Uh, Alissy, Cataclysm beta has been over for a while. When he stopped playing WoW, his WoW coverage stopped almost entirely. He filmed all the footage from the beta himself because he was genuinely excited about it.
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On July 15 2011 13:50 Callagan wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 13:46 AlissyXOXO wrote:On July 15 2011 13:42 Pooploop wrote:On July 15 2011 13:37 AlissyXOXO wrote:On July 15 2011 13:34 LilClinkin wrote:On July 15 2011 13:10 iNcontroL wrote:
tb didn't move to sc2 because he has always had a passion for sc guys.. he did it to make money. Giving money back to the community is awesome.. but it isn't 100% selfless so please don't act like it is.
I was asked if I take offense to Lindsey being hired by an SC2 league.. I pointed out that I don't and I take MORE offense to people moving to the SC community purely to make money. If they do great things while doing that wonderful.. we all benefit. But I prefer those that were here from the beginning. I don't hate TB or anything like that at all.. I just find it less awesome is all. You're behaving like a hypocrite. Countless people moved from SC to SC2 because they believed they had a higher chance of making money, in both player roles and associated roles such as casters. Money wasn't the main incentive though, most of them had an extreme passion for the game and/or gaming in general. TB is fantastic; his passion for gaming is extremely diverse and because he's passionate about what he does, he's managed to turn it into a profitable venture. If you spent 10 minutes browsing his youtube channel, you'd see he puts back copious amounts into the gaming community at large, making countless videos promoting unheard indie games and broadening their appeal to his audience. If he was purely driven to make money, he would never have wasted his time with these things. Myself, as a gamer with a wide range of interests of which starcraft is one in particular, can objectively look at TB and say he's done more for gaming at large than you have. It's disgusting to make hypocritical attacks on a well-intentioned member of the gaming community such as TB while on the other hand defend some pretty-faced model who clearly came to the NASL finals in order to promote herself and make a quick buck, knowing absolutely nothing about SC2 (or gaming) in general. Umm, you do realize most of TB's income actually comes from YouTube videos? Just saying... That's kinda half his job... Nothing to do with passion in some cases, like TB doesn't even play WoW anymore but he knows that brings in the most profit cos more people view it, so he still does WoW coverage at times like Cata beta He played WoW up to, during, and after the Cataclysm beta. He only recently quit (recently as in a few months ago). He stated on IRC that he didn't even play anymore, but he still does beta coverage during the beta... Also that he had no interest in the game... Maybe he was exaggerating, but "playing" the beta, he obviously needed footage and maybe he played a little after too to see what it was like on release but I don't think it was actually playing. Also Edit: I'm not saying I dislike TB, I like him a lot and talked to him occasionally over the years, and I think he has an awesome voice/accent. But just saying, it's his job, and he makes money off it. Everyone would if they had the talent and skill to, it's not like he's some crazy martyr out there to save the world of gaming Uh, Alissy, Cataclysm beta has been over for a while. When he stopped playing WoW, his WoW coverage stopped almost entirely. He filmed all the footage from the beta himself because he was genuinely excited about it.
If he doesn't sound genuinely excited about it, then who'd watch it..? That's kinda his talent. Also you're not basing your argument off anything, just saying this is that or w/e and I stated my source as TB. Idk where you're getting this
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i wish incontrol would give up his posting duties along with NASL and SotG to practice more.
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On July 15 2011 13:53 nozh wrote:
i wish incontrol would give up his posting duties along with NASL and SotG to practice more.
That would maybe demonstrate this "passion" that I've heard so much about.
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i find it funny that the person who calls himself a face of sc2 can justify himself bashing other people who work in the same community. i see no wrong in tb working on sc2 even if he was in it for the money because i can't forsee any negative outcomes to more sc2 exposure. personally i believe incontrol has a habit of having beef with other community figures, taking cheap shots, then downplaying it.
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On July 15 2011 13:42 ProtossPenny wrote:
I'd like to just start off by saying that I love Incontrol and to be frank really dislike Tb's commentary and lack of professionalism at times (Which Incontrol is guilty of at times aswell I think) therefore I probably bias but I still think my point holds true. That being said I do not think it was wise of Incontrol to just drop that in the interview. Maybe Incontrol knows something we don't or has approached Tb from a different angle than the average viewer.
Though ultimately my point is that I feel like Tb hasn't put in the time and effort to actually to learn sc2 in depth at all. If you listen to him commentate, it just isn't intelligent and I feel like that he just gets by with his accent instead of putting the time and effort into learning the game and at least trying to be an intelligent and entertaining caster instead of just capitalizing on his diction, pronunciation and his flow. I just feel like casters have an obligation to know what they are talking about. And totalbiscuit just isn't putting forth that effort and maybe incontrol shares my sentiment.
But hell this is all speculation and i probably know only a quarter of the facts, but i do understand Incontrol's statement and where he is coming from.
nobody is saying he's a top quality caster,
it's just that Incontrol actually compared him unfavourably to lindsey sporrer, the NASL interviewer girl, making a bunch of incorrect assumptions about TB's and Sporrer's intentions for being a part of the sc2.
and what is this about TB switching to SC2 and making money? like other people said, TB makes less money off of SC2 then WoW.
TB plays a bunch of video games, and yes, he's one of the lucky few who gets to do this for a living, but he's not in it for the money anymore than incontrol is in it for the money.
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On July 15 2011 13:53 nozh wrote:
i wish incontrol would give up his posting duties along with NASL and SotG to practice more.
He isn't on SOTG anymore and has withdrawn as a full time caster from NASL.
Edit: I thought you were saying that he hasn't given up NASL and SotG. Sorry.
On July 15 2011 13:54 bennyaus wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 13:53 nozh wrote:
i wish incontrol would give up his posting duties along with NASL and SotG to practice more. That would maybe demonstrate this "passion" that I've heard so much about.
You have to be kidding me? He has been a part of the community for years, had enough passion to wake up, travel all over the US and promote a new league, take time from his own goals to win a championship to cast and do SOTG. Tell me how that isn't passion?
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*does commercial for some sponsor* "guys. i know i haven't run any tournaments or put any of my own money into this, but TB doesn't deserve your respect because he came from wow." - incontrol, just now.
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