On July 17 2011 05:46 uzas wrote: I am really sad to hear this, bashing fellow casters for no good reason. It really doesn't matter who the caster is, just as long there is stuff to cast and the community grows. The name droping in an interview is really unprofessional for a NASL representative. If he doesn't make a public apology to TB then he really has an issue with him and thats just plain stupid. From what I read there really is an issue. Money is what is needed in this life, and with esport growth theres gonna be much more money. You got to fight for it, not cry like a fucking baby. You are all killing e sports!!!!!!!!!!! xD
a puplic apology... where are we ? politics? Incontrol doesnt have to do anything. He doesn't work with NASL anymore, so it's just between him and TB. Then again he already said, that it was a mistake to write this part down. He doesn't owe anyone anything and really deservers some major applause for what he has done for the community.
People always focus on the "bad" part and totaly overlooking everything else. Like in this thread: sooooooo many pages about a little topic in this big interview.
Public apologies are only for politics? Fact of the matter is he doesn't have to do anything, but likewise we as fans and viewers can have our own opinions as well, and the general tone of this thread shows clearly that it's negative. So no, he doesn't HAVE to publicly apologize, it doesn't mean that it wouldn't be a wise or decent thing to do.
Thing is, he is right that this entire thing was blown way out of proportion, but it could have ended with his first reply by simply saying "I didn't mean it like that, sorry." Instead he got defensive, tried to play semantics and justify what he said, and basically turned it into a debate/argument (then later becomes exasperated at the fact that people are debating/arguing with him.)
Case in point, if you're going to publicly share your opinions, then be prepared when people (in this case quite a few people) disagree with them. It's really as simple as that. I don't know why Incontrol and his defenders are scratching their heads wondering "Why can't I share my opinion with zero backlash and complete acceptance and obedience from the community?!"
On July 17 2011 05:46 uzas wrote: I am really sad to hear this, bashing fellow casters for no good reason. It really doesn't matter who the caster is, just as long there is stuff to cast and the community grows. The name droping in an interview is really unprofessional for a NASL representative. If he doesn't make a public apology to TB then he really has an issue with him and thats just plain stupid. From what I read there really is an issue. Money is what is needed in this life, and with esport growth theres gonna be much more money. You got to fight for it, not cry like a fucking baby. You are all killing e sports!!!!!!!!!!! xD
a puplic apology... where are we ? politics? Incontrol doesnt have to do anything. He doesn't work with NASL anymore, so it's just between him and TB. Then again he already said, that it was a mistake to write this part down. He doesn't owe anyone anything and really deservers some major applause for what he has done for the community.
People always focus on the "bad" part and totaly overlooking everything else. Like in this thread: sooooooo many pages about a little topic in this big interview.
Public apologies are only for politics? Fact of the matter is he doesn't have to do anything, but likewise we as fans and viewers can have our own opinions as well, and the general tone of this thread shows clearly that it's negative. So no, he doesn't HAVE to publicly apologize, it doesn't mean that it wouldn't be a wise or decent thing to do.
Thing is, he is right that this entire thing was blown way out of proportion, but it could have ended with his first reply by simply saying "I didn't mean it like that, sorry." Instead he got defensive, tried to play semantics and justify what he said, and basically turned it into a debate/argument (then later becomes exasperated at the fact that people are debating/arguing with him.)
Case in point, if you're going to publicly share your opinions, then be prepared when people (in this case quite a few people) disagree with them. It's really as simple as that. I don't know why Incontrol and his defenders are scratching their heads wondering "Why can't I share my opinion with zero backlash and complete acceptance and obedience from the community?!"
I like this guy and the way he thinks.
I honestly think we should just end the discussion here with this post and all move on with our lives.
On July 17 2011 05:46 uzas wrote: I am really sad to hear this, bashing fellow casters for no good reason. It really doesn't matter who the caster is, just as long there is stuff to cast and the community grows. The name droping in an interview is really unprofessional for a NASL representative. If he doesn't make a public apology to TB then he really has an issue with him and thats just plain stupid. From what I read there really is an issue. Money is what is needed in this life, and with esport growth theres gonna be much more money. You got to fight for it, not cry like a fucking baby. You are all killing e sports!!!!!!!!!!! xD
a puplic apology... where are we ? politics? Incontrol doesnt have to do anything. He doesn't work with NASL anymore, so it's just between him and TB. Then again he already said, that it was a mistake to write this part down. He doesn't owe anyone anything and really deservers some major applause for what he has done for the community.
People always focus on the "bad" part and totaly overlooking everything else. Like in this thread: sooooooo many pages about a little topic in this big interview.
Public apologies are only for politics? Fact of the matter is he doesn't have to do anything, but likewise we as fans and viewers can have our own opinions as well, and the general tone of this thread shows clearly that it's negative. So no, he doesn't HAVE to publicly apologize, it doesn't mean that it wouldn't be a wise or decent thing to do.
Thing is, he is right that this entire thing was blown way out of proportion, but it could have ended with his first reply by simply saying "I didn't mean it like that, sorry." Instead he got defensive, tried to play semantics and justify what he said, and basically turned it into a debate/argument (then later becomes exasperated at the fact that people are debating/arguing with him.)
Case in point, if you're going to publicly share your opinions, then be prepared when people (in this case quite a few people) disagree with them. It's really as simple as that. I don't know why Incontrol and his defenders are scratching their heads wondering "Why can't I share my opinion with zero backlash and complete acceptance and obedience from the community?!"
The point here being that opinions are not protected by anything. You have as much right to say your opinion as I have to say my opinion that your opinion sucks. I could say I'm a neo-fascist and I absolutely despise babies, but should I? If you voice your opinion in a public interview that a lot of people might read, you obviously want them to see that. Otherwise, why would you even say that?
This isn't a case of us inventing a brain-reading machine and breaking into someones mind Inception-style to find out what they really think about someone else, this is them publicly stating something for one reason or another. Then insulting everyone who disagrees with him.
An apology isn't something you do to keep your job, it's something you do when you feel you were wrong.
On July 17 2011 05:46 uzas wrote: I am really sad to hear this, bashing fellow casters for no good reason. It really doesn't matter who the caster is, just as long there is stuff to cast and the community grows. The name droping in an interview is really unprofessional for a NASL representative. If he doesn't make a public apology to TB then he really has an issue with him and thats just plain stupid. From what I read there really is an issue. Money is what is needed in this life, and with esport growth theres gonna be much more money. You got to fight for it, not cry like a fucking baby. You are all killing e sports!!!!!!!!!!! xD
a puplic apology... where are we ? politics? Incontrol doesnt have to do anything. He doesn't work with NASL anymore, so it's just between him and TB. Then again he already said, that it was a mistake to write this part down. He doesn't owe anyone anything and really deservers some major applause for what he has done for the community.
People always focus on the "bad" part and totaly overlooking everything else. Like in this thread: sooooooo many pages about a little topic in this big interview.
Public apologies are only for politics? Fact of the matter is he doesn't have to do anything, but likewise we as fans and viewers can have our own opinions as well, and the general tone of this thread shows clearly that it's negative. So no, he doesn't HAVE to publicly apologize, it doesn't mean that it wouldn't be a wise or decent thing to do.
Thing is, he is right that this entire thing was blown way out of proportion, but it could have ended with his first reply by simply saying "I didn't mean it like that, sorry." Instead he got defensive, tried to play semantics and justify what he said, and basically turned it into a debate/argument (then later becomes exasperated at the fact that people are debating/arguing with him.)
Case in point, if you're going to publicly share your opinions, then be prepared when people (in this case quite a few people) disagree with them. It's really as simple as that. I don't know why Incontrol and his defenders are scratching their heads wondering "Why can't I share my opinion with zero backlash and complete acceptance and obedience from the community?!"
The point here being that opinions are not protected by anything. You have as much right to say your opinion as I have to say my opinion that your opinion sucks. I could say I'm a neo-fascist and I absolutely despise babies, but should I? If you voice your opinion in a public interview that a lot of people might read, you obviously want them to see that. Otherwise, why would you even say that?
This isn't a case of us inventing a brain-reading machine and breaking into someones mind Inception-style to find out what they really think about someone else, this is them publicly stating something for one reason or another. Then insulting everyone who disagrees with him.
An apology isn't something you do to keep your job, it's something you do when you feel you were wrong.
I don't even get the point of your post. You basically agreed and re-iterated everything I said, but in a tone that would suggest you disagree with me. Perhaps my wordy first post was hard to understand, so these are my points:
- Everyone has a right to say what they, that includes both Incontrol AND the people who disagree with Incontrol - Incontrol could have avoided the entire mess by simply apologizing. Note that I am not saying he has any responsibility to apologize - Thus, the continued backlash from him not apologizing should be expected.
On July 17 2011 05:46 uzas wrote: I am really sad to hear this, bashing fellow casters for no good reason. It really doesn't matter who the caster is, just as long there is stuff to cast and the community grows. The name droping in an interview is really unprofessional for a NASL representative. If he doesn't make a public apology to TB then he really has an issue with him and thats just plain stupid. From what I read there really is an issue. Money is what is needed in this life, and with esport growth theres gonna be much more money. You got to fight for it, not cry like a fucking baby. You are all killing e sports!!!!!!!!!!! xD
a puplic apology... where are we ? politics? Incontrol doesnt have to do anything. He doesn't work with NASL anymore, so it's just between him and TB. Then again he already said, that it was a mistake to write this part down. He doesn't owe anyone anything and really deservers some major applause for what he has done for the community.
People always focus on the "bad" part and totaly overlooking everything else. Like in this thread: sooooooo many pages about a little topic in this big interview.
Public apologies are only for politics? Fact of the matter is he doesn't have to do anything, but likewise we as fans and viewers can have our own opinions as well, and the general tone of this thread shows clearly that it's negative. So no, he doesn't HAVE to publicly apologize, it doesn't mean that it wouldn't be a wise or decent thing to do.
Thing is, he is right that this entire thing was blown way out of proportion, but it could have ended with his first reply by simply saying "I didn't mean it like that, sorry." Instead he got defensive, tried to play semantics and justify what he said, and basically turned it into a debate/argument (then later becomes exasperated at the fact that people are debating/arguing with him.)
Case in point, if you're going to publicly share your opinions, then be prepared when people (in this case quite a few people) disagree with them. It's really as simple as that. I don't know why Incontrol and his defenders are scratching their heads wondering "Why can't I share my opinion with zero backlash and complete acceptance and obedience from the community?!"
The point here being that opinions are not protected by anything. You have as much right to say your opinion as I have to say my opinion that your opinion sucks. I could say I'm a neo-fascist and I absolutely despise babies, but should I? If you voice your opinion in a public interview that a lot of people might read, you obviously want them to see that. Otherwise, why would you even say that?
This isn't a case of us inventing a brain-reading machine and breaking into someones mind Inception-style to find out what they really think about someone else, this is them publicly stating something for one reason or another. Then insulting everyone who disagrees with him.
An apology isn't something you do to keep your job, it's something you do when you feel you were wrong.
Sorry but this makes no sense. so i can just start insulting everyone and yell crap all i want and hide under "its just my opinion"? I know its the internet but it simply doesn't work that way, even less when you got PROVEN WRONG.
On July 17 2011 05:46 uzas wrote: I am really sad to hear this, bashing fellow casters for no good reason. It really doesn't matter who the caster is, just as long there is stuff to cast and the community grows. The name droping in an interview is really unprofessional for a NASL representative. If he doesn't make a public apology to TB then he really has an issue with him and thats just plain stupid. From what I read there really is an issue. Money is what is needed in this life, and with esport growth theres gonna be much more money. You got to fight for it, not cry like a fucking baby. You are all killing e sports!!!!!!!!!!! xD
a puplic apology... where are we ? politics? Incontrol doesnt have to do anything. He doesn't work with NASL anymore, so it's just between him and TB. Then again he already said, that it was a mistake to write this part down. He doesn't owe anyone anything and really deservers some major applause for what he has done for the community.
People always focus on the "bad" part and totaly overlooking everything else. Like in this thread: sooooooo many pages about a little topic in this big interview.
Public apologies are only for politics? Fact of the matter is he doesn't have to do anything, but likewise we as fans and viewers can have our own opinions as well, and the general tone of this thread shows clearly that it's negative. So no, he doesn't HAVE to publicly apologize, it doesn't mean that it wouldn't be a wise or decent thing to do.
Thing is, he is right that this entire thing was blown way out of proportion, but it could have ended with his first reply by simply saying "I didn't mean it like that, sorry." Instead he got defensive, tried to play semantics and justify what he said, and basically turned it into a debate/argument (then later becomes exasperated at the fact that people are debating/arguing with him.)
Case in point, if you're going to publicly share your opinions, then be prepared when people (in this case quite a few people) disagree with them. It's really as simple as that. I don't know why Incontrol and his defenders are scratching their heads wondering "Why can't I share my opinion with zero backlash and complete acceptance and obedience from the community?!"
The point here being that opinions are not protected by anything. You have as much right to say your opinion as I have to say my opinion that your opinion sucks. I could say I'm a neo-fascist and I absolutely despise babies, but should I? If you voice your opinion in a public interview that a lot of people might read, you obviously want them to see that. Otherwise, why would you even say that?
This isn't a case of us inventing a brain-reading machine and breaking into someones mind Inception-style to find out what they really think about someone else, this is them publicly stating something for one reason or another. Then insulting everyone who disagrees with him.
An apology isn't something you do to keep your job, it's something you do when you feel you were wrong.
I don't even get the point of your post. You basically agreed and re-iterated everything I said, but in a tone that would suggest you disagree with me. Perhaps my wordy first post was hard to understand, so these are my points:
- Everyone has a right to say what they, that includes both Incontrol AND the people who disagree with Incontrol - Incontrol could have avoided the entire mess by simply apologizing. Note that I am not saying he has any responsibility to apologize - Thus, the continued backlash from him not apologizing should be expected.
I agreed with you. I just happened to quote your post in the process, lol.
On July 17 2011 05:46 uzas wrote: I am really sad to hear this, bashing fellow casters for no good reason. It really doesn't matter who the caster is, just as long there is stuff to cast and the community grows. The name droping in an interview is really unprofessional for a NASL representative. If he doesn't make a public apology to TB then he really has an issue with him and thats just plain stupid. From what I read there really is an issue. Money is what is needed in this life, and with esport growth theres gonna be much more money. You got to fight for it, not cry like a fucking baby. You are all killing e sports!!!!!!!!!!! xD
a puplic apology... where are we ? politics? Incontrol doesnt have to do anything. He doesn't work with NASL anymore, so it's just between him and TB. Then again he already said, that it was a mistake to write this part down. He doesn't owe anyone anything and really deservers some major applause for what he has done for the community.
People always focus on the "bad" part and totaly overlooking everything else. Like in this thread: sooooooo many pages about a little topic in this big interview.
Public apologies are only for politics? Fact of the matter is he doesn't have to do anything, but likewise we as fans and viewers can have our own opinions as well, and the general tone of this thread shows clearly that it's negative. So no, he doesn't HAVE to publicly apologize, it doesn't mean that it wouldn't be a wise or decent thing to do.
Thing is, he is right that this entire thing was blown way out of proportion, but it could have ended with his first reply by simply saying "I didn't mean it like that, sorry." Instead he got defensive, tried to play semantics and justify what he said, and basically turned it into a debate/argument (then later becomes exasperated at the fact that people are debating/arguing with him.)
Case in point, if you're going to publicly share your opinions, then be prepared when people (in this case quite a few people) disagree with them. It's really as simple as that. I don't know why Incontrol and his defenders are scratching their heads wondering "Why can't I share my opinion with zero backlash and complete acceptance and obedience from the community?!"
The point here being that opinions are not protected by anything. You have as much right to say your opinion as I have to say my opinion that your opinion sucks. I could say I'm a neo-fascist and I absolutely despise babies, but should I? If you voice your opinion in a public interview that a lot of people might read, you obviously want them to see that. Otherwise, why would you even say that?
This isn't a case of us inventing a brain-reading machine and breaking into someones mind Inception-style to find out what they really think about someone else, this is them publicly stating something for one reason or another. Then insulting everyone who disagrees with him.
An apology isn't something you do to keep your job, it's something you do when you feel you were wrong.
Sorry but this makes no sense. so i can just start insulting everyone and yell crap all i want and hide under "its just my opinion"? I know its the internet but it simply doesn't work that way, even less when you got PROVEN WRONG.
Sorry if we misunderstood each other, too. I was quoting the post, but I didn't disagree with it. What I meant to say was: everyone can express their opinions, but sometimes do you really need to? And if you do, be prepared that some people might disagree with it.
EDIT: I get it now, forget what I just said. Didn't realize Geoff was referring to SeltzerPlease in his last post. Not Lindsey. Pretty nice verbal landmine though considering this was made in response to someone talking about Lindsey.
On July 17 2011 00:58 iNcontroL wrote:
Call me biased that we hired a professional interview coach and a girl who has been involved/around SC/SC2 since before 99% of you ever came to this community. She is only going to get more involved btw so keep the "inc hired her" shit away. She is doing this on her own merit.
Right? Thats the only girl besides Anna that could possibly fit that description. Certainly not Lindsey.
On July 17 2011 05:46 uzas wrote: I am really sad to hear this, bashing fellow casters for no good reason. It really doesn't matter who the caster is, just as long there is stuff to cast and the community grows. The name droping in an interview is really unprofessional for a NASL representative. If he doesn't make a public apology to TB then he really has an issue with him and thats just plain stupid. From what I read there really is an issue. Money is what is needed in this life, and with esport growth theres gonna be much more money. You got to fight for it, not cry like a fucking baby. You are all killing e sports!!!!!!!!!!! xD
a puplic apology... where are we ? politics? Incontrol doesnt have to do anything. He doesn't work with NASL anymore, so it's just between him and TB. Then again he already said, that it was a mistake to write this part down. He doesn't owe anyone anything and really deservers some major applause for what he has done for the community.
People always focus on the "bad" part and totaly overlooking everything else. Like in this thread: sooooooo many pages about a little topic in this big interview.
Public apologies are only for politics? Fact of the matter is he doesn't have to do anything, but likewise we as fans and viewers can have our own opinions as well, and the general tone of this thread shows clearly that it's negative. So no, he doesn't HAVE to publicly apologize, it doesn't mean that it wouldn't be a wise or decent thing to do.
Thing is, he is right that this entire thing was blown way out of proportion, but it could have ended with his first reply by simply saying "I didn't mean it like that, sorry." Instead he got defensive, tried to play semantics and justify what he said, and basically turned it into a debate/argument (then later becomes exasperated at the fact that people are debating/arguing with him.)
Case in point, if you're going to publicly share your opinions, then be prepared when people (in this case quite a few people) disagree with them. It's really as simple as that. I don't know why Incontrol and his defenders are scratching their heads wondering "Why can't I share my opinion with zero backlash and complete acceptance and obedience from the community?!"
My thoughts exactly, excellent post.
Let's end this here, hope iNcontroL learns from this
On July 17 2011 05:46 uzas wrote: I am really sad to hear this, bashing fellow casters for no good reason. It really doesn't matter who the caster is, just as long there is stuff to cast and the community grows. The name droping in an interview is really unprofessional for a NASL representative. If he doesn't make a public apology to TB then he really has an issue with him and thats just plain stupid. From what I read there really is an issue. Money is what is needed in this life, and with esport growth theres gonna be much more money. You got to fight for it, not cry like a fucking baby. You are all killing e sports!!!!!!!!!!! xD
a puplic apology... where are we ? politics? Incontrol doesnt have to do anything. He doesn't work with NASL anymore, so it's just between him and TB. Then again he already said, that it was a mistake to write this part down. He doesn't owe anyone anything and really deservers some major applause for what he has done for the community.
People always focus on the "bad" part and totaly overlooking everything else. Like in this thread: sooooooo many pages about a little topic in this big interview.
Public apologies are only for politics? Fact of the matter is he doesn't have to do anything, but likewise we as fans and viewers can have our own opinions as well, and the general tone of this thread shows clearly that it's negative. So no, he doesn't HAVE to publicly apologize, it doesn't mean that it wouldn't be a wise or decent thing to do.
Thing is, he is right that this entire thing was blown way out of proportion, but it could have ended with his first reply by simply saying "I didn't mean it like that, sorry." Instead he got defensive, tried to play semantics and justify what he said, and basically turned it into a debate/argument (then later becomes exasperated at the fact that people are debating/arguing with him.)
Case in point, if you're going to publicly share your opinions, then be prepared when people (in this case quite a few people) disagree with them. It's really as simple as that. I don't know why Incontrol and his defenders are scratching their heads wondering "Why can't I share my opinion with zero backlash and complete acceptance and obedience from the community?!"
On July 15 2011 16:16 nozh wrote: guys guys guys hold on let me explain; incontrol does all this jetsetting around the world for sponsors and commercials and coaching For The Love Of The Game. he would do it for free if he had to. people like totalbiscuit... man... how shallow. creating content for and interest in the industry for profit... that is so totally "less awesome" than what he and other e-sports lovers like lindsey sporrer do.
please tell me more about how much you do for the community out of the kindness of your heart and not for money at all.
he's such a kind man, does everything out of the goodness of his heart.
just look at where the guy was a little over a year ago. fast forward to 5:50 where he talks about his job at the time.
he was just some schmuck working at a Gamestop at the local mall
and look at where where he is now, flying all over the world doing commercials for sponsors and shit! and purely out of the kindness of his heart!!! totally not for monetary reasons, no sir!
This has to be one of the most stupid posts I have ever seen. Incontrol has been in StarCraft since the beginning.. why are you trying to blame the guy for working at GameStop while he is in school, just so he can earn a little more cash? Sure money helped influence him to move to SC2, because that's where the market went, but if the guy has played the game for 10+ years, I'm thinking he is doing it mostly for the love.
Can Incontrol speak without inserting his foot into his mouth ever? He seems like an okay guy, but he continues to make questionable remarks, and then proceeds to argue with people in threads.
I hope he sticks to being a progamer now, he's not too cut out for public relations, because in my opinion he tries too hard, comes off less than genuine, and ends up ruffling too many feathers.
On July 17 2011 05:46 uzas wrote: I am really sad to hear this, bashing fellow casters for no good reason. It really doesn't matter who the caster is, just as long there is stuff to cast and the community grows. The name droping in an interview is really unprofessional for a NASL representative. If he doesn't make a public apology to TB then he really has an issue with him and thats just plain stupid. From what I read there really is an issue. Money is what is needed in this life, and with esport growth theres gonna be much more money. You got to fight for it, not cry like a fucking baby. You are all killing e sports!!!!!!!!!!! xD
a puplic apology... where are we ? politics? Incontrol doesnt have to do anything. He doesn't work with NASL anymore, so it's just between him and TB. Then again he already said, that it was a mistake to write this part down. He doesn't owe anyone anything and really deservers some major applause for what he has done for the community.
People always focus on the "bad" part and totaly overlooking everything else. Like in this thread: sooooooo many pages about a little topic in this big interview.
I understand that you don't understand what I just said. Please reread my post. If he doesn't apologize then he has an issue with TB and thats ok with me. But it isn't ok to esports, its killing it!!! ^^
You might be kidding, but I've seen this come up a few times in this thread alone. People need to stop hiding behind the slogan of "x is hurting esports!" when they have a problem with something. It's a useless phrase that carries pretty much no meaning. If you have a problem with something, talk about the issues at hand.
Well I guess you have been trolled. I am just joking about killing esports. It was supposed to be funny because tasteless jokes with it all the time. I really don't know what are you doing in this thread if you don't know that it is killing esports!! muahahah
On July 17 2011 05:46 uzas wrote: I am really sad to hear this, bashing fellow casters for no good reason. It really doesn't matter who the caster is, just as long there is stuff to cast and the community grows. The name droping in an interview is really unprofessional for a NASL representative. If he doesn't make a public apology to TB then he really has an issue with him and thats just plain stupid. From what I read there really is an issue. Money is what is needed in this life, and with esport growth theres gonna be much more money. You got to fight for it, not cry like a fucking baby. You are all killing e sports!!!!!!!!!!! xD
a puplic apology... where are we ? politics? Incontrol doesnt have to do anything. He doesn't work with NASL anymore, so it's just between him and TB. Then again he already said, that it was a mistake to write this part down. He doesn't owe anyone anything and really deservers some major applause for what he has done for the community.
People always focus on the "bad" part and totaly overlooking everything else. Like in this thread: sooooooo many pages about a little topic in this big interview.
Public apologies are only for politics? Fact of the matter is he doesn't have to do anything, but likewise we as fans and viewers can have our own opinions as well, and the general tone of this thread shows clearly that it's negative. So no, he doesn't HAVE to publicly apologize, it doesn't mean that it wouldn't be a wise or decent thing to do.
Thing is, he is right that this entire thing was blown way out of proportion, but it could have ended with his first reply by simply saying "I didn't mean it like that, sorry." Instead he got defensive, tried to play semantics and justify what he said, and basically turned it into a debate/argument (then later becomes exasperated at the fact that people are debating/arguing with him.)
Case in point, if you're going to publicly share your opinions, then be prepared when people (in this case quite a few people) disagree with them. It's really as simple as that. I don't know why Incontrol and his defenders are scratching their heads wondering "Why can't I share my opinion with zero backlash and complete acceptance and obedience from the community?!"
Really good interview. I find it amusing that people are trying to tie factual arguments for or against him when it's an opinion; I think people on here just like to argue for the sake of arguing. In the end incontrol has his opinions -- and I think we should respect them. I think shunning someone for their opinion is only going to force players to act more political and I really don't want to see it go in that direction.
On July 17 2011 22:52 Anyday wrote: Really good interview. I find it amusing that people are trying to tie factual arguments for or against him when it's an opinion; I think people on here just like to argue for the sake of arguing. In the end incontrol has his opinions -- and I think we should respect them. I think shunning someone for their opinion is only going to force players to act more political and I really don't want to see it go in that direction.
Keep rock'in iNc.
People aren't bashing him for his opinion (that he respects people less for entering the scene for money as opposed to just being hired), he's getting criticism for him saying totalbiscuit came into the starcraft scene for money, which is verifiably false.
Like DJWheat said, the whole Sporrer debacle could have been avoided by just giving her some pointer cards. I mean if you are gonna hire someone with no sc experience you need to tell her exactly what to ask.
On July 17 2011 05:46 uzas wrote: I am really sad to hear this, bashing fellow casters for no good reason. It really doesn't matter who the caster is, just as long there is stuff to cast and the community grows. The name droping in an interview is really unprofessional for a NASL representative. If he doesn't make a public apology to TB then he really has an issue with him and thats just plain stupid. From what I read there really is an issue. Money is what is needed in this life, and with esport growth theres gonna be much more money. You got to fight for it, not cry like a fucking baby. You are all killing e sports!!!!!!!!!!! xD
a puplic apology... where are we ? politics? Incontrol doesnt have to do anything. He doesn't work with NASL anymore, so it's just between him and TB. Then again he already said, that it was a mistake to write this part down. He doesn't owe anyone anything and really deservers some major applause for what he has done for the community.
People always focus on the "bad" part and totaly overlooking everything else. Like in this thread: sooooooo many pages about a little topic in this big interview.
Public apologies are only for politics? Fact of the matter is he doesn't have to do anything, but likewise we as fans and viewers can have our own opinions as well, and the general tone of this thread shows clearly that it's negative. So no, he doesn't HAVE to publicly apologize, it doesn't mean that it wouldn't be a wise or decent thing to do.
Thing is, he is right that this entire thing was blown way out of proportion, but it could have ended with his first reply by simply saying "I didn't mean it like that, sorry." Instead he got defensive, tried to play semantics and justify what he said, and basically turned it into a debate/argument (then later becomes exasperated at the fact that people are debating/arguing with him.)
Case in point, if you're going to publicly share your opinions, then be prepared when people (in this case quite a few people) disagree with them. It's really as simple as that. I don't know why Incontrol and his defenders are scratching their heads wondering "Why can't I share my opinion with zero backlash and complete acceptance and obedience from the community?!"
Really nicely put there.
I disagree.
On July 15 2011 13:10 iNcontroL wrote: tb didn't move to sc2 because he has always had a passion for sc guys.. he did it to make money. Giving money back to the community is awesome.. but it isn't 100% selfless so please don't act like it is.
I was asked if I take offense to Lindsey being hired by an SC2 league.. I pointed out that I don't and I take MORE offense to people moving to the SC community purely to make money. If they do great things while doing that wonderful.. we all benefit. But I prefer those that were here from the beginning. I don't hate TB or anything like that at all.. I just find it less awesome is all.
This is hardly defensive or trying to start a debate or argument.
but it could have ended with his first reply by simply saying "I didn't mean it like that, sorry."
That is exactly what that post is, and it could and should have ended there. But now skip forward to the latest pages and there are people saying 'I think he should publicly apologise!', for some mental reason.
I honestly take more offense at people coming from other sports just to make money in Starcraft II--someone like TotalBiscuit.
I don't get this, I dont watch TotalBiscuit, but I do remember that he hosted a tourny in which the ad revenue went back into the prize pool for the next tourney. Granted, he's popular with the WoW folks and has a YouTube following, but is there like any evidence to back this? or could someone elaborate for me?
Yeah, I don't understand this comment either. TotalBiscuit has given way more to the StarCraft II community than he has taken from it. He has sponsored showmatches and tournaments out of his own pocket in the past and he plans on continuing this by using the money he is generating from his stream.to sponsor even more events.
Also, the comment after that about Lindsey doing the NASL event because she's "doing what she enjoys" and not because "she's looking to get rich" is equally as strange. It's pretty clear she did the event because she thought she could make a quick buck out of it. Isn't this exactly the type of thing that iNcontroL takes offense to? People coming from a non StarCraft related background and making money out of StarCraft II?
Such weird comments man...
Except Lindsey was hired by the NASL, so not sure how that fits with iNcontrol's offense?
Will the Sc2 community ever mature to a point where shitstorms aren't created over hilariously trivial things over and over? lol this is actually worse than the Destiny leaves Complexity thread O_O
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