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On July 17 2011 05:10 romanov wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2011 05:06 Dental Floss wrote:On July 17 2011 05:04 Assirra wrote:On July 17 2011 04:19 Dental Floss wrote:
All I'm saying is that calling a successful and well-educated woman "a blonde bimbo" because she is trying to learn about e-sports is misogynistic. She has a BS which makes her more educated than 90%+ of this very forum, myself included. What does having an education and a degree to do with starcraft knowledge? Next time lets fly a famous rocket sciencetist in to interview players, it would be so much better then obviously. So if you had your way only people who are already experts would be allowed to participate in SC2? You know for a thread obsessed with defending TB's right to enter the community without being an expert this seems contradictory. I think TB and Lindsay should be allowed to contribute even if they don't have grandmaster level knowledge of the game. There is a difference between 'participating in SC2' and 'participating in NASL'. When i watch NASL i expect somebody with at least a descent amount of game knowledge
To do fan interviews?
It's not like she was casting. She was a five minute interlude where we get to "mingle" with the crowd. SC2 knowledge doesn't matter nearly so much as personality in that case. I'm not saying she was the most "excellent" interviewer ever, but her knowledge of SC2 doesn't have to be anything above amateur to do her job.
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On July 17 2011 05:13 Dental Floss wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2011 05:10 Assirra wrote:On July 17 2011 05:06 Dental Floss wrote:On July 17 2011 05:04 Assirra wrote:On July 17 2011 04:19 Dental Floss wrote:
All I'm saying is that calling a successful and well-educated woman "a blonde bimbo" because she is trying to learn about e-sports is misogynistic. She has a BS which makes her more educated than 90%+ of this very forum, myself included. What does having an education and a degree to do with starcraft knowledge? Next time lets fly a famous rocket sciencetist in to interview players, it would be so much better then obviously. So if you had your way only people who are already experts would be allowed to participate in SC2? You know for a thread obsessed with defending TB's right to enter the community without being an expert this seems contradictory. I think TB and Lindsay should be allowed to contribute even if they don't have grandmaster level knowledge of the game. Where did i said that? you are just putting words in my mouth. You kept talking about her education and degree when ppl said her starcraft knowledge was not good (the blonde bimbo) thing. Do you think 90% of the nerds who watch it will care what kind of education she had if her starcraft knowledge sucks? no they wont because that is not why they are watching. Don't get me wrong, its great she wants to learn about it but things like this should have been done BEFORE not after. Do you or do you not think its okay to call someone "a dumb bimbo" because they're ignorant about a video game? I would say that it is not okay. I just cannot wrap my head around how people could be so mad at Incontrol for this interview while simultaneously being so callous towards others.
Sigh you really keep jumping from point to point eh.
First it was talking about her education, i said ppl don't care and you find another point to whine about.
No, it was not ok but it was obvious what he was trying to say.and i can't blame him (did you listen to those interviews?)
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On July 17 2011 04:19 Dental Floss wrote:
All I'm saying is that calling a successful and well-educated woman "a blonde bimbo" because she is trying to learn about e-sports is misogynistic.
Ya... except it's not at all. Her gender is irrelevant. If a well educated guy who didn't know anything about sc2 started interviewing people just like Lindsey, the exact same comment could be said. (that he is "a blonde bimbo")
On July 17 2011 05:06 Dental Floss wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2011 05:04 Assirra wrote:On July 17 2011 04:19 Dental Floss wrote:
All I'm saying is that calling a successful and well-educated woman "a blonde bimbo" because she is trying to learn about e-sports is misogynistic. She has a BS which makes her more educated than 90%+ of this very forum, myself included. What does having an education and a degree to do with starcraft knowledge? Next time lets fly a famous rocket sciencetist in to interview players, it would be so much better then obviously. So if you had your way only people who are already experts would be allowed to participate in SC2? You know for a thread obsessed with defending TB's right to enter the community without being an expert this seems contradictory. I think TB and Lindsay should be allowed to contribute even if they don't have grandmaster level knowledge of the game.
Lol... you did it again. The entertainment never ends.
The quotes below are paraphrased.
Dental Floss: "You are a misogynist for pointing out that she is not knowledgable in starcraft 2, when in fact she is well educated in science."
Assirra: "What does her science degree have to do with anything? We are talking about her starcraft 2 knowledge."
Dental Floss: "Oh so I guess we should only let pro players into the starcraft 2 scene! Do you really think everyone has to be an expert to enter the scene?"
Once again, you went off topic. He simply said that her education is irrelevant... meaning if she had no education or if she was the smartest person in the world, it wouldn't be relevant information for entering the sc2 scene. So once again... you picked a random argument that you knew you would be "right" in so you could be proud of yourself for a point well made. Lol.
You really need to learn to stay on topic... or maybe not. This is entertaining, though I am starting to get concerned as to whether or not you even understand what you are saying when you type it out.
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On July 17 2011 05:19 Leporello wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2011 05:10 romanov wrote:On July 17 2011 05:06 Dental Floss wrote:On July 17 2011 05:04 Assirra wrote:On July 17 2011 04:19 Dental Floss wrote:
All I'm saying is that calling a successful and well-educated woman "a blonde bimbo" because she is trying to learn about e-sports is misogynistic. She has a BS which makes her more educated than 90%+ of this very forum, myself included. What does having an education and a degree to do with starcraft knowledge? Next time lets fly a famous rocket sciencetist in to interview players, it would be so much better then obviously. So if you had your way only people who are already experts would be allowed to participate in SC2? You know for a thread obsessed with defending TB's right to enter the community without being an expert this seems contradictory. I think TB and Lindsay should be allowed to contribute even if they don't have grandmaster level knowledge of the game. There is a difference between 'participating in SC2' and 'participating in NASL'. When i watch NASL i expect somebody with at least a descent amount of game knowledge To do fan interviews? It's not like she was casting. She was a five minute interlude where we get to "mingle" with the crowd. SC2 knowledge doesn't matter nearly so much as personality in that case. I'm not saying she was the most "excellent" interviewer ever, but her knowledge of SC2 doesn't have to be anything above amateur to do her job. In that case she should have kept the interview's at subject's she feels comfortable with
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On July 17 2011 05:19 Leporello wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2011 05:10 romanov wrote:On July 17 2011 05:06 Dental Floss wrote:On July 17 2011 05:04 Assirra wrote:On July 17 2011 04:19 Dental Floss wrote:
All I'm saying is that calling a successful and well-educated woman "a blonde bimbo" because she is trying to learn about e-sports is misogynistic. She has a BS which makes her more educated than 90%+ of this very forum, myself included. What does having an education and a degree to do with starcraft knowledge? Next time lets fly a famous rocket sciencetist in to interview players, it would be so much better then obviously. So if you had your way only people who are already experts would be allowed to participate in SC2? You know for a thread obsessed with defending TB's right to enter the community without being an expert this seems contradictory. I think TB and Lindsay should be allowed to contribute even if they don't have grandmaster level knowledge of the game. There is a difference between 'participating in SC2' and 'participating in NASL'. When i watch NASL i expect somebody with at least a descent amount of game knowledge To do fan interviews? It's not like she was casting. She was a five minute interlude where we get to "mingle" with the crowd. SC2 knowledge doesn't matter nearly so much as personality in that case. I'm not saying she was the most "excellent" interviewer ever, but her knowledge of SC2 doesn't have to be anything above amateur to do her job.
ZvG
"is this your first NASL event"
i stand my point.
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Was I the only person who read the interview and didn't find the comment that bad?
I felt like he only used TotalBiscut as an example because most people would know who he is and would understand what he was saying.
Maybe I expect the most from people though.
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On July 17 2011 05:26 yawnoC wrote:
Was I the only person who read the interview and didn't find the comment that bad?
I felt like he only used TotalBiscut as an example because most people would know who he is and would understand what he was saying.
Maybe I expect the most from people though.
LOL! this guy is a better troll than me and incontrol. This thread is comedy gold.
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I am really sad to hear this, bashing fellow casters for no good reason. It really doesn't matter who the caster is, just as long there is stuff to cast and the community grows. The name droping in an interview is really unprofessional for a NASL representative. If he doesn't make a public apology to TB then he really has an issue with him and thats just plain stupid. From what I read there really is an issue. Money is what is needed in this life, and with esport growth theres gonna be much more money. You got to fight for it, not cry like a fucking baby.
You are all killing e sports!!!!!!!!!!! xD
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On July 17 2011 05:25 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2011 05:19 Leporello wrote:On July 17 2011 05:10 romanov wrote:On July 17 2011 05:06 Dental Floss wrote:On July 17 2011 05:04 Assirra wrote:On July 17 2011 04:19 Dental Floss wrote:
All I'm saying is that calling a successful and well-educated woman "a blonde bimbo" because she is trying to learn about e-sports is misogynistic. She has a BS which makes her more educated than 90%+ of this very forum, myself included. What does having an education and a degree to do with starcraft knowledge? Next time lets fly a famous rocket sciencetist in to interview players, it would be so much better then obviously. So if you had your way only people who are already experts would be allowed to participate in SC2? You know for a thread obsessed with defending TB's right to enter the community without being an expert this seems contradictory. I think TB and Lindsay should be allowed to contribute even if they don't have grandmaster level knowledge of the game. There is a difference between 'participating in SC2' and 'participating in NASL'. When i watch NASL i expect somebody with at least a descent amount of game knowledge To do fan interviews? It's not like she was casting. She was a five minute interlude where we get to "mingle" with the crowd. SC2 knowledge doesn't matter nearly so much as personality in that case. I'm not saying she was the most "excellent" interviewer ever, but her knowledge of SC2 doesn't have to be anything above amateur to do her job. ZvG "is this your first NASL event" i stand my point.
I agree she wasn't even amateur and she needed to know the basics of the game before going out to do interviews. That was stupid.
But with the rudimentary basics down - such as knowing there isn't a "G" race - I don't really care about her expertise. The "blonde bimbo" comments are obnoxious as well.
The point is, her role isn't that of an expert in the slightest. She is pure fanfare. She's almost something of a sideline - a cheerleader. And what's wrong with that?
But it's another discussion for another topic. I think the real point is we shouldn't be declaring who can or can't be a part of this community - or that some merit needs to be earned to be able to do even the most rudimentary jobs. We need to put away the litmus tests and the judgmental attitudes when it comes to something as simple as five minutes of fan interviews.
In that same regard, Geoff should practice some restrain and respect when it comes to his fellow casters (TotalBiscuit). We want e-sports to grow? Then let's be more accepting, less judgmental. Lindsey Sporrer deserved criticism for saying things that were plainly incorrect about the game, but that doesn't mean I don't want to see more of her interviews in the future. She's purdy. Likewise, Geoff may be the more original Starcraft nerd compared to TotalBiscuit, but so what?
We are such nerds. We take offense when the jock and the pretty girl want to partake in our game, we assume they're patronizing us, and we argue amongst ourselves as to which nerd liked Star Wars first or which one just hopped on the "bandwagon". That's what this thread makes me think of, so at least I can sort of laugh at it.
With all that said, I'm pretty sure Geoff regrets his comments, just an unfortunate piece of phrasing. Happens to everybody. He's allowed to not respect TotalBiscuit, but he'd be smart to keep it to himself as I'm sure he knows.
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On July 17 2011 05:33 LogikHertz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2011 05:26 yawnoC wrote:
Was I the only person who read the interview and didn't find the comment that bad?
I felt like he only used TotalBiscut as an example because most people would know who he is and would understand what he was saying.
Maybe I expect the most from people though. LOL! this guy is a better troll than me and incontrol. This thread is comedy gold.
I was being serious.
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On July 17 2011 06:19 yawnoC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2011 05:33 LogikHertz wrote:On July 17 2011 05:26 yawnoC wrote:
Was I the only person who read the interview and didn't find the comment that bad?
I felt like he only used TotalBiscut as an example because most people would know who he is and would understand what he was saying.
Maybe I expect the most from people though. LOL! this guy is a better troll than me and incontrol. This thread is comedy gold. I was being serious.
Yup, doesnt seem like incontrol was just like "hey heres a chance to publicly call out this guy"
He probably said it because it was just something he thought out loud, without really researching all (or any?) of the facts, just an opinion based on what hes seen so far, rather than because he dislikes TB.
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The irony of this whole post is that Lindsay Sporrer probably knows more about SC2 than Totalbiscuit..
User was warned for this post
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On July 17 2011 05:46 uzas wrote:
I am really sad to hear this, bashing fellow casters for no good reason. It really doesn't matter who the caster is, just as long there is stuff to cast and the community grows. The name droping in an interview is really unprofessional for a NASL representative. If he doesn't make a public apology to TB then he really has an issue with him and thats just plain stupid. From what I read there really is an issue. Money is what is needed in this life, and with esport growth theres gonna be much more money. You got to fight for it, not cry like a fucking baby.
You are all killing e sports!!!!!!!!!!! xD
a puplic apology... where are we ? politics? Incontrol doesnt have to do anything. He doesn't work with NASL anymore, so it's just between him and TB. Then again he already said, that it was a mistake to write this part down. He doesn't owe anyone anything and really deservers some major applause for what he has done for the community.
People always focus on the "bad" part and totaly overlooking everything else. Like in this thread: sooooooo many pages about a little topic in this big interview.
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On July 17 2011 06:14 Leporello wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2011 05:25 Assirra wrote:On July 17 2011 05:19 Leporello wrote:On July 17 2011 05:10 romanov wrote:On July 17 2011 05:06 Dental Floss wrote:On July 17 2011 05:04 Assirra wrote:On July 17 2011 04:19 Dental Floss wrote:
All I'm saying is that calling a successful and well-educated woman "a blonde bimbo" because she is trying to learn about e-sports is misogynistic. She has a BS which makes her more educated than 90%+ of this very forum, myself included. What does having an education and a degree to do with starcraft knowledge? Next time lets fly a famous rocket sciencetist in to interview players, it would be so much better then obviously. So if you had your way only people who are already experts would be allowed to participate in SC2? You know for a thread obsessed with defending TB's right to enter the community without being an expert this seems contradictory. I think TB and Lindsay should be allowed to contribute even if they don't have grandmaster level knowledge of the game. There is a difference between 'participating in SC2' and 'participating in NASL'. When i watch NASL i expect somebody with at least a descent amount of game knowledge To do fan interviews? It's not like she was casting. She was a five minute interlude where we get to "mingle" with the crowd. SC2 knowledge doesn't matter nearly so much as personality in that case. I'm not saying she was the most "excellent" interviewer ever, but her knowledge of SC2 doesn't have to be anything above amateur to do her job. ZvG "is this your first NASL event" i stand my point. I agree she wasn't even amateur and she needed to know the basics of the game before going out to do interviews. That was stupid. But with the rudimentary basics down - such as knowing there isn't a "G" race - I don't really care about her expertise. The "blonde bimbo" comments are obnoxious as well. The point is, her role isn't that of an expert in the slightest. She is pure fanfare. She's almost something of a sideline - a cheerleader. And what's wrong with that?
if she doesn't even have basic knowledge about the game and community, then the end result is that people will treat her like pure eye candy which is definitely not a positive.
I've already posted about this before, but the blame ultimately lies with NASL not training her properly. I have no problem if NASL wanted to hire a pretty face to do crowd interviews but to have her go out there with basically zero knowledge of the event & game is very unprofessional on NASL's part.
on her second day of interviews, the positive community reception to her grew immensely because she was actually developing an idea, an understanding of why people were there, why people watch other people playing a game, and what type of game is Starcraft 2.
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You don't need any Starcraft knowledge at all to know whether or not to ask if this is your first nasl event. That showed how little she prepared for it
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On July 16 2011 11:27 iNcontroL wrote: "what? I won X and took X place in X event"
This is way above my league, any mathematicians around to solve this?
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On July 17 2011 06:43 Hardigan wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2011 05:46 uzas wrote:
I am really sad to hear this, bashing fellow casters for no good reason. It really doesn't matter who the caster is, just as long there is stuff to cast and the community grows. The name droping in an interview is really unprofessional for a NASL representative. If he doesn't make a public apology to TB then he really has an issue with him and thats just plain stupid. From what I read there really is an issue. Money is what is needed in this life, and with esport growth theres gonna be much more money. You got to fight for it, not cry like a fucking baby.
You are all killing e sports!!!!!!!!!!! xD a puplic apology... where are we ? politics? Incontrol doesnt have to do anything. He doesn't work with NASL anymore, so it's just between him and TB. Then again he already said, that it was a mistake to write this part down. He doesn't owe anyone anything and really deservers some major applause for what he has done for the community. People always focus on the "bad" part and totaly overlooking everything else. Like in this thread: sooooooo many pages about a little topic in this big interview.
I understand that you don't understand what I just said. Please reread my post. If he doesn't apologize then he has an issue with TB and thats ok with me. But it isn't ok to esports, its killing it!!! ^^
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On July 17 2011 07:13 uzas wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2011 06:43 Hardigan wrote:On July 17 2011 05:46 uzas wrote:
I am really sad to hear this, bashing fellow casters for no good reason. It really doesn't matter who the caster is, just as long there is stuff to cast and the community grows. The name droping in an interview is really unprofessional for a NASL representative. If he doesn't make a public apology to TB then he really has an issue with him and thats just plain stupid. From what I read there really is an issue. Money is what is needed in this life, and with esport growth theres gonna be much more money. You got to fight for it, not cry like a fucking baby.
You are all killing e sports!!!!!!!!!!! xD a puplic apology... where are we ? politics? Incontrol doesnt have to do anything. He doesn't work with NASL anymore, so it's just between him and TB. Then again he already said, that it was a mistake to write this part down. He doesn't owe anyone anything and really deservers some major applause for what he has done for the community. People always focus on the "bad" part and totaly overlooking everything else. Like in this thread: sooooooo many pages about a little topic in this big interview. I understand that you don't understand what I just said. Please reread my post. If he doesn't apologize then he has an issue with TB and thats ok with me. But it isn't ok to esports, its killing it!!! ^^
You might be kidding, but I've seen this come up a few times in this thread alone. People need to stop hiding behind the slogan of "x is hurting esports!" when they have a problem with something. It's a useless phrase that carries pretty much no meaning. If you have a problem with something, talk about the issues at hand.
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Seems like an absolutely pointless thing for incontrol to say, I don't understand why he said it. All he was gonna get was flak for the comment, could of avoided all this by being a bit less of a dick
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