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I honestly take more offense at people coming from other sports just to make money in Starcraft II--someone like TotalBiscuit. I take less offense to someone like Lindsey, an actress and a model, getting hired for a gig and she says yes not because she’s looking to get rich but because it’s a good job doing what she enjoys and she’s dedicated to doing it well.
uh i really like Lindsey but obviously she also benefit from the monetary aspect of SC2 as well as the exposure ( which is exactly what you argued drove TB to cast SC2). If she was really passionate about SC2 in the first place , she would have known about it instead of being enthusiastic about it AFTER being hired by NASL. Not to say her enthusiasm for the game isn't genuine because it might very well be but it wasn't a root cause for her entry to NASL.
I don't see how they are different in this aspect at all. In fact TB is very dedicated to doing his SC2 stuff well and I can argue he has done more.
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Yes. Hence why I merely mentioned it and said I respect it "LESS" not that I HATE it or want to attack him etc...
TB is extremely critical of almost everything I do. I am critical of him trying to make money off of SC2... he isn't a bad guy and he does other things that are good. Please stop trying to make this more than what it is.
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I've never been the biggest Totalbiscuit fan (to the extent where he commented on my youtube profile with the c-bomb); however just because he may not be acting entirely selflessly doesn't really detract from what he's done for the community. He might be a bit of a lame caster, without a good supporting commentator by his side, but he's certainly helped grow SC2 in the UK as well as engaged newer players with his videos.
Give the guy a break, he gets enough flak from the rest of the community for other reasons. Enjoyable read otherwise. iNcontroL and Gretorp took it to another level for the finals.
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On July 15 2011 13:10 iNcontroL wrote:
tb didn't move to sc2 because he has always had a passion for sc guys.. he did it to make money. Giving money back to the community is awesome.. but it isn't 100% selfless so please don't act like it is.
Would you coach for free?
Why did I have to pay $25 for an NASL pass then?
Your argument doesn't make sense. Doesn't matter if you are making money as long as you are contributing and promoting the game.
Why would you bash someone that hosts tournaments and contributes to the community?
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On July 15 2011 13:17 dtz wrote:Show nested quote + I honestly take more offense at people coming from other sports just to make money in Starcraft II--someone like TotalBiscuit. I take less offense to someone like Lindsey, an actress and a model, getting hired for a gig and she says yes not because she’s looking to get rich but because it’s a good job doing what she enjoys and she’s dedicated to doing it well. uh i really like Lindsey but obviously she also benefit from the monetary aspect of SC2 as well as the exposure ( which is exactly what you argued drove TB to cast SC2). I don't see how they are different in this aspect at all. In fact TB is very dedicated to doing his SC2 stuff well and I can argue he has done more.
If you want to argue that at 12 years old I started playing competitive SC knowing that I could make my "riches" at 25 off of SC2 and I built a career over that span of time purely to do that then please go ahead.
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great interview! man I can't wait for season 2 and see incontrol playing!
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On July 15 2011 13:10 iNcontroL wrote:
tb didn't move to sc2 because he has always had a passion for sc guys.. he did it to make money. Giving money back to the community is awesome.. but it isn't 100% selfless so please don't act like it is.
I was asked if I take offense to Lindsey being hired by an SC2 league.. I pointed out that I don't and I take MORE offense to people moving to the SC community purely to make money. If they do great things while doing that wonderful.. we all benefit. But I prefer those that were here from the beginning. I don't hate TB or anything like that at all.. I just find it less awesome is all.
When he started casting SC2 it wasn't clear at all that it would be as big as it is now. What right to you have to speculate about him?
I could say that NASL isn't 100% selfless because it aims to make profit in the long run. I've never heard of the president before it start it, maybe he's just some guy trying to capitalize on ESPORTS???? But of course I don't say that, because it would be a huge dick move.
TB is extremely critical of almost everything I do. I am critical of him trying to make money off of SC2... he isn't a bad guy and he does other things that are good. Please stop trying to make this more than what it is.
You two are extremely similar tbh. Incredibly reactive to any sort of criticism. You're a bit more passive and he's a bit more aggressive, but your posts are almost interchangeable.
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To be frank I dont see how coming from another video game to make money is that much different than coming from no video game history to make money.
Now unless i'm mistaken...everyone wants money? :p
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On July 15 2011 13:18 iNcontroL wrote:
Yes. Hence why I merely mentioned it and said I respect it "LESS" not that I HATE it or want to attack him etc...
TB is extremely critical of almost everything I do. I am critical of him trying to make money off of SC2... he isn't a bad guy and he does other things that are good. Please stop trying to make this more than what it is.
Incontrol...TB puts back a large amount of the money he makes from sc2 right back into the community through stuff like the shoutcraft invitational. How much money do you make off sc2 and how much do you put back in?
I don't understand where this view of TB as some casting golddigger comes from...
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On July 15 2011 13:19 Highways wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 13:10 iNcontroL wrote:
tb didn't move to sc2 because he has always had a passion for sc guys.. he did it to make money. Giving money back to the community is awesome.. but it isn't 100% selfless so please don't act like it is.
Would you coach for free? Why did I have to pay $25 for an NASL then? Your argument doesn't make sense. Doesn't matter if you are making money as long as you are contributing and promoting the game.
Please try and read what I said.. in this thread and the interview. I said I "take more offense" and then I explained (in this thread) that that does not equate to hating him or thinking he is scum. I even recognize that he has done good, which he has and it benefits us all. I merely said he moved to SC2 from WoW purely to make money and I respected that LESS than being hired from an agent to host in a league.
THAT_WAS_IT
now I don't wanna spam this thread with my defense. Nobody is bringing anything up new. They are attacking my coaching and saying TB does more than I do. Fine, that is all acceptable for you to argue. But please try and take a deep breath and read what I said because I don't have some huge pent up TB rage and if you have huge pent up iNc rage then that kinda sucks >_<
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On July 15 2011 13:19 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 13:17 dtz wrote: I honestly take more offense at people coming from other sports just to make money in Starcraft II--someone like TotalBiscuit. I take less offense to someone like Lindsey, an actress and a model, getting hired for a gig and she says yes not because she’s looking to get rich but because it’s a good job doing what she enjoys and she’s dedicated to doing it well. uh i really like Lindsey but obviously she also benefit from the monetary aspect of SC2 as well as the exposure ( which is exactly what you argued drove TB to cast SC2). I don't see how they are different in this aspect at all. In fact TB is very dedicated to doing his SC2 stuff well and I can argue he has done more. If you want to argue that at 12 years old I started playing competitive SC knowing that I could make my "riches" at 25 off of SC2 and I built a career over that span of time purely to do that then please go ahead.
What?? I didn't say that at all. In fact i didn't say anything about you. I only compared TB and Lindsey.
My point was both TB and Lindsey came to SC2 because of monetary incentive. I don't see how one is more noble than the other.
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On July 15 2011 13:10 iNcontroL wrote:
tb didn't move to sc2 because he has always had a passion for sc guys.. he did it to make money.
So did IGN, so does a lot of companies involved with the pro scene. It's going to get a lot more common as well if starcraft 2 is going to grow. The base that would do it for love alone is only so big. I don't think it's cool just singling out TB like that man, particularly when he's already got a lot of unwarrented shit from the community.
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On July 15 2011 13:22 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 13:19 Highways wrote:On July 15 2011 13:10 iNcontroL wrote:
tb didn't move to sc2 because he has always had a passion for sc guys.. he did it to make money. Giving money back to the community is awesome.. but it isn't 100% selfless so please don't act like it is.
Would you coach for free? Why did I have to pay $25 for an NASL then? Your argument doesn't make sense. Doesn't matter if you are making money as long as you are contributing and promoting the game. Please try and read what I said.. in this thread and the interview. I said I "take more offense" and then I explained (in this thread) that that does not equate to hating him or thinking he is scum. I even recognize that he has done good, which he has and it benefits us all. I merely said he moved to SC2 from WoW purely to make money and I respected that LESS than being hired from an agent to host in a league. THAT_WAS_IT now I don't wanna spam this thread with my defense. Nobody is bringing anything up new. They are attacking my coaching and saying TB does more than I do. Fine, that is all acceptable for you to argue. But please try and take a deep breath and read what I said because I don't have some huge pent up TB rage and if you have huge pent up iNc rage then that kinda sucks >_<
It is an extremely poor choice of words to say "I honestly take more offense at people coming from other sports just to make money in Starcraft II--someone like TotalBiscuit." when you just previously stated that you do not take offense to someone else. This is a very inappropriate name drop just to prove that you take offense to someone's work.
Honestly you could have avoided catching hell if you just held such an unnecessary specificity such as a name when it did not need to be there to answer the question asked.
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Well I like the fact that iNcontroL actually has opinions instead of all the politically correct stuff you usually see in interviews.
Also people will get offended over anything over the internet, like the whole "Those TL kids" where it was pretty much a translation issue, and the word could be interchanged with guys but everyone suddenly got super offended and whiny over it.
W/e, was an interesting interview to read, and it's nice to see that a progamer shares some of the same views I do in some aspects, but also believe you're defending Russell Pfister a biiiit too much. He should've at least consulted someone who's done this before and gotten help for at least the first tournament to cut down on the issues I think, especially for the amount of money he invested into it he could've gotten so much more
Edit: Not talking about the TB issue, but... kinda the other ones 
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On July 15 2011 13:29 Percutio wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 13:22 iNcontroL wrote:On July 15 2011 13:19 Highways wrote:On July 15 2011 13:10 iNcontroL wrote:
tb didn't move to sc2 because he has always had a passion for sc guys.. he did it to make money. Giving money back to the community is awesome.. but it isn't 100% selfless so please don't act like it is.
Would you coach for free? Why did I have to pay $25 for an NASL then? Your argument doesn't make sense. Doesn't matter if you are making money as long as you are contributing and promoting the game. Please try and read what I said.. in this thread and the interview. I said I "take more offense" and then I explained (in this thread) that that does not equate to hating him or thinking he is scum. I even recognize that he has done good, which he has and it benefits us all. I merely said he moved to SC2 from WoW purely to make money and I respected that LESS than being hired from an agent to host in a league. THAT_WAS_IT now I don't wanna spam this thread with my defense. Nobody is bringing anything up new. They are attacking my coaching and saying TB does more than I do. Fine, that is all acceptable for you to argue. But please try and take a deep breath and read what I said because I don't have some huge pent up TB rage and if you have huge pent up iNc rage then that kinda sucks >_< It is an extremely poor choice of words to say "I honestly take more offense at people coming from other sports just to make money in Starcraft II--someone like TotalBiscuit." when you just previously stated that you do not take offense to someone else. This is a very inappropriate name drop just to prove that you take offense to someone's work. Honestly you could have avoided catching hell if you just held such an unnecessary specificity such as a name when it did not need to be there to answer the question asked.
yup that is a good point
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On July 15 2011 13:22 dtz wrote:My point was both TB and Lindsey came to SC2 because of monetary incentive. I don't see how one is more noble than the other.
This sums it up. Acting like Lindsey or TB made their decisions from their heart is laughable, just two people looking for some PR.
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On July 15 2011 13:19 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 13:17 dtz wrote: I honestly take more offense at people coming from other sports just to make money in Starcraft II--someone like TotalBiscuit. I take less offense to someone like Lindsey, an actress and a model, getting hired for a gig and she says yes not because she’s looking to get rich but because it’s a good job doing what she enjoys and she’s dedicated to doing it well. uh i really like Lindsey but obviously she also benefit from the monetary aspect of SC2 as well as the exposure ( which is exactly what you argued drove TB to cast SC2). I don't see how they are different in this aspect at all. In fact TB is very dedicated to doing his SC2 stuff well and I can argue he has done more. If you want to argue that at 12 years old I started playing competitive SC knowing that I could make my "riches" at 25 off of SC2 and I built a career over that span of time purely to do that then please go ahead.
His post has nothing to do with you... It is only comparing TB and Lindsey. Really hard to try and give you some respect when you hardball at TB like this when the Lindsey situation is almost the same. I mean you mention that it's different because her agency hired her, but she could have easily turned the offer down. Before this she never even heard of starcraft so how can you say she does it because it is what she enjoys when that would mean the same thing for TB. Switching mediums but still doing what he enjoys.
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On July 15 2011 12:41 Burpies wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 11:59 Kouda wrote: I honestly take more offense at people coming from other sports just to make money in Starcraft II--someone like TotalBiscuit. I don't get this, I dont watch TotalBiscuit, but I do remember that he hosted a tourny in which the ad revenue went back into the prize pool for the next tourney. Granted, he's popular with the WoW folks and has a YouTube following, but is there like any evidence to back this? or could someone elaborate for me? Yeah, I don't understand this comment either. TotalBiscuit has given way more to the StarCraft II community than he has taken from it. He has sponsored showmatches and tournaments out of his own pocket in the past and he plans on continuing this by using the money he is generating from his stream.to sponsor even more events. Also, the comment after that about Lindsey doing the NASL event because she's "doing what she enjoys" and not because "she's looking to get rich" is equally as strange. It's pretty clear she did the event because she thought she could make a quick buck out of it. Isn't this exactly the type of thing that iNcontroL takes offense to? People coming from a non StarCraft related background and making money out of StarCraft II? Such weird comments man...
Except Lindsey was hired by the NASL, so not sure how that fits with iNcontrol's offense?
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On July 15 2011 13:22 dtz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 13:19 iNcontroL wrote:On July 15 2011 13:17 dtz wrote: I honestly take more offense at people coming from other sports just to make money in Starcraft II--someone like TotalBiscuit. I take less offense to someone like Lindsey, an actress and a model, getting hired for a gig and she says yes not because she’s looking to get rich but because it’s a good job doing what she enjoys and she’s dedicated to doing it well. uh i really like Lindsey but obviously she also benefit from the monetary aspect of SC2 as well as the exposure ( which is exactly what you argued drove TB to cast SC2). I don't see how they are different in this aspect at all. In fact TB is very dedicated to doing his SC2 stuff well and I can argue he has done more. If you want to argue that at 12 years old I started playing competitive SC knowing that I could make my "riches" at 25 off of SC2 and I built a career over that span of time purely to do that then please go ahead. What?? I didn't say that at all. In fact i didn't say anything about you. I only compared TB and Lindsey. My point was both TB and Lindsey came to SC2 because of monetary incentive. I don't see how one is more noble than the other.
Out of a 4,000 word interview, the community has to nitpick 1 sentence out of 1 paragraph? Just let it go, the article is about NASL, not TB. If everyone actually wants to discuss the selflessness and altruistic actions of each person in the Starcraft scene, go make a thread with a poll of all the major people in the community and settle it there.
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