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Australia8532 Posts
On July 15 2011 13:40 Jesushooves wrote:
"I think in order for Starcraft and e-sports in general to continue growing it’s important to break away from the mold of thinking we need Artosis for instance at every event doing every interview-"
I completely disagree with this statement, sure we don't need someone who pretty much lives and breathes starcraft, like artosis, but someone like Lindsey wont understand the extremely detailed concepts of starcraft, and that will always be extremely obvious. An example of a question from someone who obviously knows a thing or two about starcraft is:
MLG: Zerg as a whole did very well in Columbus, taking five of the Top 8 spots. You've been very open with your criticism of Zerg being the weakest race for the majority of SC2's lifespan; do you feel like the results in Columbus were an anomaly, or that Zergs have begun to solidify timings and regain control of the various matchups?
Keep in mind I'm not saying Lindsey is stupid, but she would never ask a question like that unless she was the type of person that will regularily ladder and/or watch streams, and it will always be obvious in the interviews when the interviewer isn't involved in starcraft.
Lindsay was there as eye candy; pretty simple. She was something great to look at while getting the general impression of the crowd/players. All he is saying that people need to be a little more open minded; the commentary can still be good if it isn't tastosis - there are people that can produce great content besides the marquee names. There are community members who fell into a fit of rage when tastosis wasn't casting the finals.
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I feel like that episode of South Park about the Crips and the Bloods where the kids just dont want to be involved. Just... Really?
Screw you guys. I´m going home.
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On July 15 2011 13:22 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 13:19 Highways wrote:On July 15 2011 13:10 iNcontroL wrote:
tb didn't move to sc2 because he has always had a passion for sc guys.. he did it to make money. Giving money back to the community is awesome.. but it isn't 100% selfless so please don't act like it is.
Would you coach for free? Why did I have to pay $25 for an NASL then? Your argument doesn't make sense. Doesn't matter if you are making money as long as you are contributing and promoting the game. Please try and read what I said.. in this thread and the interview. I said I "take more offense" and then I explained (in this thread) that that does not equate to hating him or thinking he is scum. I even recognize that he has done good, which he has and it benefits us all. I merely said he moved to SC2 from WoW purely to make money and I respected that LESS than being hired from an agent to host in a league. THAT_WAS_IT now I don't wanna spam this thread with my defense. Nobody is bringing anything up new. They are attacking my coaching and saying TB does more than I do. Fine, that is all acceptable for you to argue. But please try and take a deep breath and read what I said because I don't have some huge pent up TB rage and if you have huge pent up iNc rage then that kinda sucks >_<
What exactly is to be respected about Lindsey taking a interviewing gig for money?
If anything it seems like Lindsey is using this opportunity to further her career since she had never even watched a game of starcraft (from her own mouth) prior to NASL. Not to hate on TB or Lindsey but I am only bringing her up because you did so first.
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Why would you take offense with someone coming from a different game and contributing to the community? It's meaningless if they make money or not, only thing that matters is whether they deliver quality content or not. It's like saying you take offense with Razer making Starcraft 2 gear. And why would ex-bw players be more entitled to make money with SC2 than other people who discovered Starcraft later? This makes no sense!!! Obviously InControl likes drama, there's no other way to explain it.
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On July 15 2011 13:56 bennyaus wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 13:55 Demonace34 wrote:On July 15 2011 13:53 nozh wrote:
i wish incontrol would give up his posting duties along with NASL and SotG to practice more. He isn't on SOTG anymore and has withdrawn as a full time caster from NASL. I don't know if you have been living under a rock or not.  Learn to read.
Hey bennyaus I don't know why you said learn to read like an ass to nozh when he made a completely legitimate statement. Maybe its because you think the original post implies that incontrol didn't leave nasl or sotg to practice. But if it did have that implication and nozh interpreted it wrong than the verb "would give up" would be "gave up". So maybe you need to learn grammar or better yet just stop posting on TL because both your posts have been ignorant and just plain stupid on this thread.
Edit: I guess nevermind then, thanks Phaded.
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Sure seems to me to be much ado about much of nothing. I honestly think you (InC) are doing a disservice to yourself engaging in the conversation, especially this quickly derailing thread; let the interview be enough (although I know it's just too damn hard not to respond to such hogwash sometimes). Most people on TL that respond to these discussions (that I've experienced) are so damn overly entitled and foolishly critical just for the sake of it. Sometimes I just think they get their rocks off by having someone respond to them on the interwebz, especially a well-knowner like you (InC).
My advice would be simple: Sift through the trash and choose the best, well thought and constructed criticism and address it for next season. I pretty much think that's what you said you were going to do in your interview. 
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I think Incontrol is just unaware of the overall gaming community as a whole.
He sees TB as somebody who leeches off these individual communities, when in reality TB, and we all are part of this greater gaming community that gathers around all games.
The fix would be a visit to giantbomb.com, and watch the Deadly Warrior: Legends quicklook and have a good laugh
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On July 15 2011 14:23 ProtossPenny wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 13:56 bennyaus wrote:On July 15 2011 13:55 Demonace34 wrote:On July 15 2011 13:53 nozh wrote:
i wish incontrol would give up his posting duties along with NASL and SotG to practice more. He isn't on SOTG anymore and has withdrawn as a full time caster from NASL. I don't know if you have been living under a rock or not. Learn to read. Hey bennyaus I don't know why you said learn to read like an ass to nozh when he made a completely legitimate statement. Maybe its because you think the original post implies that incontrol didn't leave nasl or sotg to practice. But if it did have that implication and nozh interpreted it wrong than the verb "would give up" would be "gave up". So maybe you need to learn grammar or better yet just stop posting on TL because both your posts have been ignorant and just plain stupid on this thread.
bennyaus was saying learn to read to Demonace34 because Demonace34 didn't understand what nozh wrote.
nozh was putting in a dig at incontrol saying that he should stop posting on the forums and just play the game. Demonace34 just ignored that and called him a dumbdumb for not knowning that he gave up NASL and SotG, even though nozh is fully aware of that fact.
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On July 15 2011 14:13 tmtx wrote:
Why would you take offense with someone coming from a different game and contributing to the community? It's meaningless if they make money or not, only thing that matters is whether they deliver quality content or not. It's like saying you take offense with Razer making Starcraft 2 gear. And why would ex-bw players be more entitled to make money with SC2 than other people who discovered Starcraft later? This makes no sense!!! Obviously InControl likes drama, there's no other way to explain it.
I believe it's personal, it just doesn't make sense if he says it is not because there are plenty of people involved with sc2 now that come from different gaming backgrounds/scenes. Some people just like esports in general, like DjWheat. There are even people who have no merits in esports who try to do so in sc2 that he could have called out that seem more reasonable to do so than TB. Even if TB came from a WoW background and has a following from that, it can be good for making this scene bigger.
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Nice dig at TB and Tyler in that interview.
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People are making a mountain out of a molehill. I think the fact that Incontrol thinks the NASL delays were comparable with other events when from the spectator PoV they clearly weren't is a more interesting topic than his personal opinions about community figures.
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It's more about his view on Totalbiscuit going into Starcraft 2 as a business venture when at the same time the NASL and gosucoaching are business ventures as well.
Whether you love the game and make it into a business or make a business and love it, it's all the same at the end.
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So, I guess what we take from this is that Lindsey Sporror is the most awesome thing to happen in SC2, since everything else is "less awesome".
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On July 15 2011 14:11 bkrow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 13:40 Jesushooves wrote:
"I think in order for Starcraft and e-sports in general to continue growing it’s important to break away from the mold of thinking we need Artosis for instance at every event doing every interview-"
I completely disagree with this statement, sure we don't need someone who pretty much lives and breathes starcraft, like artosis, but someone like Lindsey wont understand the extremely detailed concepts of starcraft, and that will always be extremely obvious. An example of a question from someone who obviously knows a thing or two about starcraft is:
MLG: Zerg as a whole did very well in Columbus, taking five of the Top 8 spots. You've been very open with your criticism of Zerg being the weakest race for the majority of SC2's lifespan; do you feel like the results in Columbus were an anomaly, or that Zergs have begun to solidify timings and regain control of the various matchups?
Keep in mind I'm not saying Lindsey is stupid, but she would never ask a question like that unless she was the type of person that will regularily ladder and/or watch streams, and it will always be obvious in the interviews when the interviewer isn't involved in starcraft. Lindsay was there as eye candy; pretty simple. She was something great to look at while getting the general impression of the crowd/players. All he is saying that people need to be a little more open minded; the commentary can still be good if it isn't tastosis - there are people that can produce great content besides the marquee names. There are community members who fell into a fit of rage when tastosis wasn't casting the finals.
He wasn't talking about the finals in that quote, he was talking about the interviewer, I'm saying you need someone that knows about the game to be interviewing people, even if it is someone like anna who plays sc2 and I imagine from dating incontrol knows a lot about the scene. Someone like Lindsey wont even have that knowledge and as such wont make a decent interviewer.
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In the end, it just makes Incontrol sound like one of those douchebag hipsters who can never quite accept the fact that the artist or sport he liked when it wasnt popular now has a bunch of new fans who have only come because they released something new. Or like a soccer fan who hates the world cup because then everyone pays attention but they havent been there the rest of the time.
God forbid the thing you like becomes- *GASP* -popular and you arent the only guy who has a following anymore. How can we fault someone for saying, "Hey, this is pretty popular, there must be something behind that" and then going to check it out. If you limit the people you have respect for to the people who started when BW was first released you just eliminated 99.9999999999% of Teamliquid.
But you have more respect from someone who probably never heard of starcraft before her agent signed her up because "she wants to get into it and do it right" as opposed to the shoutcaster with a youtoube channel full of sc2 casts. Oh, but its because "he came from another game that used to be more popular than the game that I played and DREAMED of being as popular, so now that the roles are reversed Im just going to dump on the guy for switching over to follow his audience."
Really Incontrol?
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If you must speak ill of another, do not speak it, write it in the sand near the water's edge. - Napoleon Hill
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It's fine, he has his opinions, and he doesn't really have to defend himself. This has more of a shock since he's a notable figure in the community. It's just that some of us don't really fully understand his logic with all of his statements combined in that interview.
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Man I thought I was reading a Chael Sonnen interview with all those snide jabs at people, only these jabs are not funny.
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Canada409 Posts
On July 15 2011 13:34 Torte de Lini wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 12:41 Burpies wrote:On July 15 2011 11:59 Kouda wrote: I honestly take more offense at people coming from other sports just to make money in Starcraft II--someone like TotalBiscuit. I don't get this, I dont watch TotalBiscuit, but I do remember that he hosted a tourny in which the ad revenue went back into the prize pool for the next tourney. Granted, he's popular with the WoW folks and has a YouTube following, but is there like any evidence to back this? or could someone elaborate for me? Yeah, I don't understand this comment either. TotalBiscuit has given way more to the StarCraft II community than he has taken from it. He has sponsored showmatches and tournaments out of his own pocket in the past and he plans on continuing this by using the money he is generating from his stream.to sponsor even more events. Also, the comment after that about Lindsey doing the NASL event because she's "doing what she enjoys" and not because "she's looking to get rich" is equally as strange. It's pretty clear she did the event because she thought she could make a quick buck out of it. Isn't this exactly the type of thing that iNcontroL takes offense to? People coming from a non StarCraft related background and making money out of StarCraft II? Such weird comments man... Except Lindsey was hired by the NASL, so not sure how that fits with iNcontrol's offense?
Lindsey is doing StarCraft II stuff because she sees an opportunity to make money. iNcontroL finds it offensive when someone from a non SC related background gets money doing StarCraft II things. Lindsey is essentially earning money doing just that by working for NASL hence iNcontroL should be offended by her as well.
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So, Total Biscuit has been a presence in esports for years and is now doing tons of work to promote StarCraft 2 in the outside world and he is giving back to the existing community, but he is just in it for the money and what he does is not as good as what Lindsey Sporrer does.
Lindsey "ZvG" "Is this your first NASL event?" Sporrer, who is coming from beauty pagents, knows nothing about SC2 or esports, and got paid to do interviews at one event, and is in it for...what? Her love of the game? And what she is doing is better than what Total Biscuit is doing?
Now, I am not a Total Biscuit fan - in fact, I make it a point try and avoid watching any game that he casts - however, in the words of the illustrious Bill Cosby, that's the dumbest thing I have ever heard in my life.
Also, "The downtime is not irregular or unique to the NASL at all."? That has to be the most out of touch thing I have ever heard. There was probably more downtime than there was gametime and I don't even think that is an exaggeration.
Come on!
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