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Ronald_McD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada807 Posts
July 12 2011 22:48 GMT
#21
Sorry, but it really just comes down to foreigners getting better if they want the money.

The Koreans are flying out to your country to take the prize money from your tournaments. You can either get better and beat them, or bend over and take it.
FUCKING GAY LAGS
Hoodlum
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States350 Posts
July 12 2011 22:48 GMT
#22
I agree with Zalfor but that doesn't rebut the case that it will kill the foreigner scene in the long run... I mean the players who have sponsors need to play better, true but it will make it harder to break into the scene...

Take poker for example, they hit an area known as the poker boom when amateur poker player Chris Moneymaker won the world series of poker... After victory every amateur and their mother started playing poker in hopes of being the next big thing... Televised poker was soon to follow and all though only having mediocre success they are still on TV which is more then what you can say for ANY video game out there... If this is the level that Starcraft wants to achieve I think that they should have let a new batch of players come in and start making their mark before you bring over the korean gods xD...

As a spectator I love watching koreans play but I, nor any working man, has the time to practice as much as the Koreans or any pro gamer already in the scene... But I make no excuse for the foreigners who already make a living playing Starcraft... They need to practice harder because this is their job and they should be able to compete with Koreans...
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Moralez
Profile Joined May 2011
Portugal1857 Posts
July 12 2011 22:49 GMT
#23
People have to realize that is not the korean genes its the time they put into playing this game, and also the team house enviroment.
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emythrel
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom2599 Posts
July 12 2011 22:50 GMT
#24
On July 13 2011 07:45 oskarla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2011 07:43 Shiv. wrote:
On July 13 2011 07:41 Sbrubbles wrote:
On July 13 2011 07:36 Zalfor wrote:
people gotta get better, that's all there is to it.

Who knows what the future will hold?

Hopefully, eSport gets recognized for what it is in NA and EU - a perfectly legit sport. That should do the trick and establish even grounds for practice regimes that are pretty much alike.

I think that's a silly excuse. If people put the time in instead of waiting on some magic practice regime to come to them they'd get better.


The problem isn't just putting in time, its how that time is used. Korean pro's don't just ladder 10 hours a day, they play against their team mates in structured practice and talk all day about SC2. Foreigners are often sat at home playing, with no real structure or focus. If you need to work on a specific area, the best way to do that is with a team mate who can throw stuff at you all day long
When there is nothing left to lose but your dignity, it is already gone.
zoLo
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States5896 Posts
July 12 2011 22:50 GMT
#25
On July 13 2011 07:42 StyLeD wrote:
If foreigners give up, then fack em, they shouldn't have even tried in the first place.


Pretty much this.

It has been almost a year since SC2's release, we can all see that Koreans are the better players. The playing field isn't one sided like the BW days since there are players like IdrA, ThorZain, Naniwa, etc that can play on par with some of the best SC2 Korean players. The non-Koreans just need to step it up, but the Korean practice environment does turn off a lot of players. If they want to start winning tournaments and leagues, then they just need to practice more. An example would be HuK, who continue to get better and better because he adopted the practice methods that Koreans follow.
koolaid1990
Profile Joined September 2010
831 Posts
July 12 2011 22:51 GMT
#26
As many people said, foreigners actually play alot. They play almost as much as the koreans. Its the efficiency of practice that matters. Koreans play against OTHER good koreans, have coaches, structured strict training schedules. The thing about the foreign scene is that they play against each other, meaning the top of the foreign scene will be inferior to the korean scene simply because they dont practice enough with better players. If somehow NA and Korea Ladder was merged with no latency problems, im sure there will be tons of foreigners who can make it to the top.
iansanew
Profile Joined July 2011
New Zealand86 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-12 22:52:35
July 12 2011 22:52 GMT
#27
i think the major concern is about losing sponsorship due to korean domination.

im assuming the general audience would like to see native champions which will boost popularity and sponsorship, but does korean domination decrease sc2 viewership in foreign countries?
if it does then things dont look so good.

Choboo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Sweden2088 Posts
July 12 2011 22:54 GMT
#28
On July 13 2011 07:50 emythrel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2011 07:45 oskarla wrote:
On July 13 2011 07:43 Shiv. wrote:
On July 13 2011 07:41 Sbrubbles wrote:
On July 13 2011 07:36 Zalfor wrote:
people gotta get better, that's all there is to it.

Who knows what the future will hold?

Hopefully, eSport gets recognized for what it is in NA and EU - a perfectly legit sport. That should do the trick and establish even grounds for practice regimes that are pretty much alike.

I think that's a silly excuse. If people put the time in instead of waiting on some magic practice regime to come to them they'd get better.


The problem isn't just putting in time, its how that time is used. Korean pro's don't just ladder 10 hours a day, they play against their team mates in structured practice and talk all day about SC2. Foreigners are often sat at home playing, with no real structure or focus. If you need to work on a specific area, the best way to do that is with a team mate who can throw stuff at you all day long

There are foreign teams so that's not really a problem. I'm sure the players are talking to eachother on skype even if they don't live together. Some foreign players are on par with the Koreans, like Naniwa and Sen, and it's not because they live in a team house, it's because they practice.
SaSe fan club manager
echO [W]
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1495 Posts
July 12 2011 22:54 GMT
#29
I'm hoping that NA players will step up their game.

With what EG with it's team house that it will lead the way. I don't think there's anyway around it. There's a reason the Koreans have been the best for BW, and are leading the way in SC2, you have to play their 12 hours a day to get to their level, no shortcut.
"Or a school bus over a bunch of kids" - Tasteless --- “A man's errors are his portals of discovery.” - James Joyce
lunchforthesky
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom967 Posts
July 12 2011 22:56 GMT
#30
Sport, including E-Sports should be a global competition. We don't ban Australians from playing cricket, Brazilians from football or Americans from Golf, why would we ban Koreans from Starcraft?
Gigaudas
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Sweden1213 Posts
July 12 2011 22:56 GMT
#31
Me and a lot of other viewers will lose interest if all we see are Koreans in the finals. Best scenario the foreigners step it up but logically the Koreans will get further and further ahead as long as prize money is streaming into Korea instead of into foreign teams.

Why would anyone want the Starcraft 2 scene to look like the Brood War scene?
I
rsvp
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States2266 Posts
July 12 2011 22:56 GMT
#32
On July 13 2011 07:35 vnlegend wrote:

Will foreign pros be forced into entering more low-level tournaments playing for $100 here, $200 there?


lol Hwangsin played in last Saturday's $20 NA CraftCup
Gigaudas
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Sweden1213 Posts
July 12 2011 22:57 GMT
#33
On July 13 2011 07:56 lunchforthesky wrote:
Sport, including E-Sports should be a global competition. We don't ban Australians from playing cricket, Brazilians from football or Americans from Golf, why would we ban Koreans from Starcraft?


We don't let Manchester United send their B-team around the world to harvest prize money from local cups.
I
sanya
Profile Joined February 2011
482 Posts
July 12 2011 22:57 GMT
#34
less effort put in
less reward

don't see a problem here

if they start taking it as seriously as koreans do they'll be right up there ?
If wishes were fishes , we'd all cast nets.
nvs.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada3609 Posts
July 12 2011 22:58 GMT
#35
On July 13 2011 07:38 mapthesoul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2011 07:36 Zalfor wrote:
people gotta get better, that's all there is to it.

if the koreans are better, then they should take the money.

Perfect first reply.


The only true reply.
NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
July 12 2011 22:59 GMT
#36
They will have to up their level of play and take the career seriously or find a new way to make money.
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
gillon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden1578 Posts
July 12 2011 23:00 GMT
#37
On July 13 2011 07:41 Sbrubbles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2011 07:36 Zalfor wrote:
people gotta get better, that's all there is to it.



That or they give up and korea maintains dominance over the scene BW-style. Who knows what the future will hold?


Say MLG was 100% Korean pros competing; Would you still go? I know I would.
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Adebisi
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada1637 Posts
July 12 2011 23:00 GMT
#38
I hope the players step it up, but I think its more important that the people behind teams give the players the ability to step it up, recruit the people that show real dedication, and support them and surround them with like-minded people who are willing to put in 10+ hours a day. Many people like IdrA might be able to coast on raw mechanics for a while, but its not going to last, and that's not what it takes to be the next Nestea, etc.

tldr; Good job EG.... Fnatic, Complexity, lets see some team houses.
valaki
Profile Joined June 2009
Hungary2476 Posts
July 12 2011 23:00 GMT
#39
What prevents the foreign "pros" to commit their full time to practice and master the game at the highest level, when their accommodation and everything are founded and they even get salary. Yeah, you guessed it right, absolutely nothing. So if the top foreigners can't even keep up with lower tier korean pros, then what are we talking about?
ggaemo fan
JouriCarver
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom59 Posts
July 12 2011 23:01 GMT
#40
foreigners get much better sponsorship from what i read, it allows alot of less wellknow players to work full time on the game
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