EPTThis is very similar to how the world will watch NBA but nobody in the US cares about basketball associations outside of the states.
I'm not complaining when koreans come, I am just waiting for the day when we can start beating them.
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vohne
Philippines197 Posts
This is very similar to how the world will watch NBA but nobody in the US cares about basketball associations outside of the states. I'm not complaining when koreans come, I am just waiting for the day when we can start beating them. | ||
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Ghad
Norway2551 Posts
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SecondChance
Australia603 Posts
This issue has been raised millions of times. | ||
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sPaM916
United States71 Posts
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shadymmj
1906 Posts
One guy puts sc2 first. The other puts a cushy life first. I'm not saying that one choice is better than the other from a lifestyle perspective, but we all know which one is better if you want to get ahead of the competition. Idra is no tough guy (heheh quite the opposite in fact from first impression), but everything else aside I respect him for at least being able to stay on Entus for some time and go along with the flow. He's a man. He has shown that he can succeed while being placed in a harsh, new environment (no offense to Koreans, but clearly foreigners have lots to adapt to). Now that the Koreans are coming over, we will see who is determined enough to compete at the highest level. If you put family, friends and lifestyle first, then, no offense, maybe sc2 is not the right competitive game to be playing if you wish to make mega bucks. Everyone knows the scene would be in Korea before the game was even in development. | ||
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d.o.c
United States49 Posts
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
If you're competing at or near the top level, you get by fine no matter where you're from. It's exactly as it should be. On July 13 2011 15:07 sPaM916 wrote: they wont be able to practice as much if the koreans keep taking the money. If the foreigners cant support themselves simply off starcraft then theres no way they will ever be able be able to compete with koreans. Plenty of Koreans keep competing without earning nearly enough to support themselves, and they're still able to practice "as much". In fact, Koreans are comparatively doing a lot worse than foreigners. There are A LOT of Korean players that are easily better than the foreigners who made a lot more money. Goody and ClouD made like 7k since release, Kiwikaki 9k. Compared to Ganzi and Min who are by and far the better players and made only a little more than 2k. | ||
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robih
Austria1086 Posts
On July 13 2011 07:35 vnlegend wrote: If random mid-level players on any team can all-kill FXO, the Top 10 Korean Terrans will look like gods on foreign soil. there are countless foreigners too who would all-kill FXO... | ||
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tdt
United States3179 Posts
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udgnim
United States8024 Posts
foreigners can either put in the time to get to their level or remain lower tier with less refined and lower quality play there are some foreigners that are currently capable of competing against Koreans, and they are taking steps to further improve their skill by going to Korea (Thorzain & Naniwa) | ||
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TERRANLOL
United States626 Posts
On July 13 2011 07:36 Zalfor wrote: people gotta get better, that's all there is to it. if the koreans are better, then they should take the money. That sounds nice and all but what if that principle can only be afforded at the cost of the foreign sc2 scene entirely? That is of course, the worst case scenario but whatever is going to happen is likely going to be between where we are at now and that itself. | ||
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ucbEntilZha
United States96 Posts
Not saying its a bad thing to concentrate on other life obligations, but simply put foreigners would do better if they practiced as much and as intensively as Koreans | ||
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
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Gosi
Sweden9072 Posts
[B]On July 13 2011 15:23 Talin wrote:[/B Plenty of Koreans keep competing without earning nearly enough to support themselves, and they're still able to practice "as much". In fact, Koreans are comparatively doing a lot worse than foreigners. There are A LOT of Korean players that are easily better than the foreigners who made a lot more money. Goody and ClouD made like 7k since release, Kiwikaki 9k. Compared to Ganzi and Min who are by and far the better players and made only a little more than 2k. You realise that money isn't a problem for korean players, right? It doesn't matter how much they have won so far, they still get roof over their heads, a computer with internet and food on their table without paying anything. The only thing they have to pay is with their time for practice. And when "western" organisations are willing to do the same with their players and expand their playerbase to something like 6-10 players and put them in a house together we will clearly see improvement in skill in most teams. | ||
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-miDnight-
Taiwan455 Posts
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YoungNeil
Canada328 Posts
On July 13 2011 19:41 Sbrubbles wrote: I really think tournaments should have a winner-takes-all format. Why should 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc actually earn anything if they clearly didn't practice enough? I don't want anyone but the best taking the money. I know you're being facetious, but your argument is still silly. Nobody is saying that getting second place in a tournament means you're not good enough to get any prize money, especially with the unstable state of the scene right now. People are saying that if one player isn't good enough to beat another player, they shouldn't be given a better chance to earn prize money to compensate. That is not arguing that the winner should get everything, just that nobody (read: foreign players) should be given privileged positions over other players (read: Koreans) in their efforts to earn money. If prize money were allocated in such a narrow way, consistently high-achieving players might never earn as much money as players who have a good run once and then underperform for the rest of their careers. It's obviously not a good idea, and it has nothing to do with the idea of favouring one set of players irrespective of ability. You're just not responding to the argument that's actually being made. | ||
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lolsixtynine
United States600 Posts
On July 13 2011 07:36 Zalfor wrote: people gotta get better, that's all there is to it. if the koreans are better, then they should take the money. I think the issue is that if Koreans are better and take the money, then there won't BE any money next time around. | ||
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GumThief
Canada284 Posts
You are being outclassed ala prime mike Tyson fighting some Undercard scrub. In this case a smaller stage is more appropriate. Don't expect to tangle with the big boys if you are not up to it. And expect to be compensated appropriately. Or you are not a pro. You are merely a popular face on the interwebs. Again, expect to be paid accordingly. The best players play. The best players win. | ||
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N0x
France19 Posts
On July 13 2011 15:05 Ghad wrote: I wholeheartedly support the koreans coming over, that in itself is fantastic. But I do agree that it is counterproductive the way the prize pool is concentrated at the one top player. In a huge tournament, there should be relevant payouts for at least the top 8 players. (Like the final table of a poker tournament.) I do agree. Being top 8 in any major tournament with lot of players should be more rewarded. Maybe it'll come while prizes pool are increasing. | ||
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Sated
England4983 Posts
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