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Alright so the Korean invasion has begun full force. Not only are the strong Koreans like MC and July, who have great chances of winning everything, are coming over but the non-Code-S'ers are coming out of the woodwork after the easy money.
Also with the way tournaments are structured, the top 4 or so players get 80% or more of the prize pool. That leaves at most 20% to the hundreds of foreign pros to fight over. If the Koreans are coming over for major tournaments and winning most of the money, what does that leave for the rest of the foreign progamers??
I'm not gonna be like CatZ here but I'm just wondering what will happen to the state of foreign pros after a prolonged period of Korean domination in most of the foreign major leagues?
Will foreign pros be forced into entering more low-level tournaments playing for $100 here, $200 there? Will they be demotivated, give up and spend more time doing coaching or other community stuff to make a living?
How will the leagues themselves behave? Will they start more regional tournaments like IPL or ESL? Will sponsors continue to give money to leagues who produce no native stars, but award prizes to non-English speakers?
Also to note the skill gap between foreigners and Koreans have begun to grow more and more. If random mid-level players on any team can all-kill FXO, the Top 10 Korean Terrans will look like gods on foreign soil.
I know it's a bit long-winded but it's fun to speculate.
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people gotta get better, that's all there is to it.
if the koreans are better, then they should take the money.
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On July 13 2011 07:36 Zalfor wrote:
people gotta get better, that's all there is to it.
if the koreans are better, then they should take the money.
Perfect first reply.
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They just have to start practice efficently, and please don't say that they already did. They clearly practice way worse than the koreans.
Hard work gets rewarded, so I'm okay with foreigners, that not practice in a good way, not getting all the money - they don't deserve it then.
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Foreign teams need to step it up. They are definitely disadvantaged because the Western world lacks the E-sports infrastructure that the Koreans have.... however -- that very infrastructure wasn't there from the beginning, it was built. Hopefully we'll see something similar in NA / EU
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the foreigners will get better playing against the koreans, rather then a divided community. the onus is on the foreigners to get better, not the koreans to get out of our tournaments. Sorry, but prize money is the wrong reason to be playing this game.
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another one of those threads? couldn't you have posted it in the other half a dozen threads regarding this topic?
as for the topic itself, yes, people gotta get better. and yes, that is much harder than it sounds like.
however if we seperate the two scenes, then experience has shown that teams will be satisfied with the status quo. sometimes you need desperate times to induce desperate measures.
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We already see some small changes in effect. For instance, the organization of Korean like team houses in Europe and NA. Now time will tell if Koreans are still practicing the hardest.
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On July 13 2011 07:36 Zalfor wrote:
people gotta get better, that's all there is to it.
That or they give up and korea maintains dominance over the scene BW-style. Who knows what the future will hold?
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When people get over the "omg korean" mentality - when they stop forgetting to make pools, stop doing completely nonsensical builds that they wouldn't do otherwise just cos of the pressure, when threads like this are rarer and rarer because people got over the mental barrier that everyone seems to like to enforce. That's when the foreign pros will get back into the top places that earn a big prize pool.
ttyo
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If foreigners give up, then fack em, they shouldn't have even tried in the first place.
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Prize money is not how progamers earn a living. If their lack of high placements starts to reduce team sponsorship then we will see a reaction because that would hurt players.
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Hopefully the foreigners steps their game up and those who don't will just have to quit progaming. The time of chilling has ended, it's time to show some ambition!
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All there is to it is that players that practice more are going to put themselves in a good position to win any tournament they enter. If you take out the "Korean" from the argument and compare two pro players, one who practices 4 hours a day on ladder and one that practices 8-10 hours a day in a pro house, obviously hands down everyone would say that the harder practicing player would deserve the win (and as a result, the prize money). Currently that is the difference between many pro-foreigners and and Koreans.
That being said, foreigners are already taking steps to align their own practice / living situation with that of Korea, and all this means is that they will have to continue to do so to stay on par with the Koreans.
I don't think foreigners will fall too far behind in skill with Starcraft 2 (at least not further than they already are). More and more foreign pros are going to realize that their current practice situation isn't going to cut it anymore with all the Koreans playing more internationally. Hopefully this will be a good thing that initiates a skill level rise in foreigners as a whole. Basically they need to fight to survive (or risk losing out all the prize money to Koreans).
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WIth korean taking most of the money (I dont care otherwise), overtime less new talent is going to be produced and the forgenier scene wont die but will become stagnated, with some top forigener who are somewhat comparable to their korean counterparts. I actually feel sorry for forgien pro gamers because its hard for them to make money, but that can be said for the majority of korean gamers as well
In the end its all about survival of the fittest
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On July 13 2011 07:41 Sbrubbles wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2011 07:36 Zalfor wrote:
people gotta get better, that's all there is to it.
Who knows what the future will hold?
Hopefully, eSport gets recognized for what it is in NA and EU - a perfectly legit sport. That should do the trick and establish even grounds for practice regimes that are pretty much alike.
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On July 13 2011 07:41 Sbrubbles wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2011 07:36 Zalfor wrote:
people gotta get better, that's all there is to it.
That or they give up and korea maintains dominance over the scene BW-style. Who knows what the future will hold?
Something tells me that the future will be just that. There will be foreigners who are close to the top because they are willing to live in Korea, that will be the only difference.
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I think in the long run it will be a positive thing for the foreigners, but for the time being, it may pose a problem if Koreans keep winning all the tournaments.
EG has started to take practicing very seriously (not saying that they haven't before) by all gathering in the team house with strict practice hours. If most foreigners can do this, I have no fear that they will be able to compete with Koreans and win over them.
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On July 13 2011 07:43 Shiv. wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2011 07:41 Sbrubbles wrote:On July 13 2011 07:36 Zalfor wrote:
people gotta get better, that's all there is to it.
Who knows what the future will hold? Hopefully, eSport gets recognized for what it is in NA and EU - a perfectly legit sport. That should do the trick and establish even grounds for practice regimes that are pretty much alike.
I think that's a silly excuse. If people put the time in instead of waiting on some magic practice regime to come to them they'd get better.
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Like incontrol says, hopefully the foreigners rise to the occasion and eventually start getting closer to the korean pros in skill. That said, I don't think the tournament prizes are necessary to make a living, for any of the western pros, and prizes are mostly a bonus rather than a must have. Ultimately the success depends more on sc2's popularity as an esport than whether they can match the koreans exactly.
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