EPTSlim pickings for foreign pros? - Page 8
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Herculix
United States946 Posts
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
On July 13 2011 08:12 lunchforthesky wrote: None of those players beat Koreans consistantly. Thorzain beat Fruit Dealer (who doesn't beat Fruitdealer these days) and MC once. He's lost to MC twice since then, as well as TSL Revival in the NASL. Sen lost to Boxer, MC twice and July at Dreamhack (he won vs July and Zenio) Naniwa lost to MC and Losira at MLG. He beat MC at Homestory and Moon at MLG but lost to Moon at Dreamhack. All three have a negative win/loss ratio versus Koreans. A lot of people. OMG I can´t believe people put FD as a bad played only because he has not been dominant. He is one of the more consistent players | ||
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canikizu
4860 Posts
Koreans dominating online events... check Koreans dominating stream list.... incoming. Koreans coaching..... pending. Foreigners: let's keep it casual. | ||
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Sandro
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GinDo
3327 Posts
On July 13 2011 07:43 Shiv. wrote: Hopefully, eSport gets recognized for what it is in NA and EU - a perfectly legit sport. That should do the trick and establish even grounds for practice regimes that are pretty much alike. That will only happen if you get players to play the game for the right reasons. Not money, but because the love the game. You see Koreans making money, because their country already has a strong Esports foundation. In NA and EU that needs to be created and thus it is very unlikely that players/teams get amazing Sponsors like the Koreans. Foreigners have to realize that before their gonna make money their gonna need to sacrifice luxury in order to practice and be the best. They can't expect Sponsors to sponsor a mediocre team. They want the best, because people watch the best. And the best play full time. Another thing about Esports in the NA(Don't now so much about the EU) is that people are shallow. They make alot of their conclusions from what they see, such as appearances. AS much hate as i know I'm going to get for this comment I'm going to say it straight. Esports players need to Tidy up. Keep up their appearances such as hair(including facial), physical conditioning, and dress. Honestly alot of SC2 players look like nerds that live with their parents(Or in a basement). Who would you rather be a fan of: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/bOPnJ.jpg) OR ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/wb79u.jpg) | ||
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kidd
United States2848 Posts
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Phaded
Australia579 Posts
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esc0bar
Canada112 Posts
On July 13 2011 07:36 Zalfor wrote: people gotta get better, that's all there is to it. if the koreans are better, then they should take the money. To the detriment of esports in North America? Sorry, I' m not convinced. | ||
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videogames
United States103 Posts
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GinDo
3327 Posts
On July 13 2011 11:38 kidd wrote: Idra is as good and can take any of the Koreans down with the exception of Nestea, I think. People need to be better, that's it. It costs a lot for Koreans to come over, if they didn't think they were gonna win, they wouldn't come. Right now, it's worth it. Foreigners need to represent, but honestly I'm all about things like the Olympics and world cup - the best in the world competing. I don't care if it's Koreans that are the best, I want to see the highest level of competition and the best winning what they deserve. So true. Come Olympics, all of the sudden I'm a fan of all sports. | ||
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Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
The entirety of the Western E-Sports world isn't going to crumble from the presence of Koreans. Period. It's benefiting more from it. | ||
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darmousseh
United States3437 Posts
Practicing be less deserving than someone who spends 3-4 hours a day? The answer is, there isn't a good reason. I say, let them come. | ||
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Shai
Canada806 Posts
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SiguR
Canada2039 Posts
This isn't about giving white people a handicap to compete. This is about making sure we don't shoot ourselves in the foot as our scene develops (which is what i think the whole catz thing was about, but i'm not sure and shouldn't try to speak for him). I don't have a solution, but just saying "well foreigners need to just play better' is incredibly ignorant towards a number of the problems all rolled up into the issue. | ||
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hamchan
Australia9 Posts
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ExPresident
United States215 Posts
The fact remains that those who practice more will often do better, just like others have already posted. Right now, and this is not a knock on anyone who does very well in the foreign scene, but the Koreans coming to these foreign events and dominating just shows that there is still a gap in the skill level and that 'easy money' so to speak won't be there forever. In my opinion it will be up to the community to adjust and prepare future players looking to enter the Starcraft community which is seriously becoming more and more of a sport outside of Korea and with that the former standard will no longer be good enough. The Koreans have established the standards at which it takes to be winners at this new sport and everyone will have to adjust to that. I think we need to see more and more leagues and tournaments geared at each of the leagues. Obviously the ladder is there that helps teach this but the community can do it in a better way that will allow people to get accustomed to the e-sports scene more than the battle.net ladder will. I don't have a real answer for it but I think its good for the community and clearly adjustments will have to be made. | ||
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Malgrif
Canada1095 Posts
edit: also i don't understand why people believe that our top foreigners can beat any top korean in a series. it's not like we've have actually faced the top code S players or anything. even MC has admitted to falling behind recently and he's still kicking butt. the skill gap is MASSIVE and growing, don't kid yourselves. | ||
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RodrigoX
United States645 Posts
Only problem I perceive, is that when or if the same amount of foreigners (probably more since just more people) dont start taking it as seriously as koreans, is that foreign tournaments are going to disappear, because like its been said, foreigners arent winning the tournaments and arent promoting foreign ESPORTS growth. I think I agree with Catz, is that you need to foster and grow esports in USA, EU just so more people could be on the level of the koreans. Its not that we cant, its just our culture wont let us get on that level. | ||
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godemperor
Belgium2043 Posts
On July 13 2011 12:07 ExPresident wrote: I think its a good thing for the community as a whole that the Koreans are coming to the foreign events more. While it may be bad for players uses to making some money off of tournament wins, its better for those of us watching to see a higher level of skill displayed in the games we watch. The fact remains that those who practice more will often do better, just like others have already posted. Right now, and this is not a knock on anyone who does very well in the foreign scene, but the Koreans coming to these foreign events and dominating just shows that there is still a gap in the skill level and that 'easy money' so to speak won't be there forever. In my opinion it will be up to the community to adjust and prepare future players looking to enter the Starcraft community which is seriously becoming more and more of a sport outside of Korea and with that the former standard will no longer be good enough. The Koreans have established the standards at which it takes to be winners at this new sport and everyone will have to adjust to that. I think we need to see more and more leagues and tournaments geared at each of the leagues. Obviously the ladder is there that helps teach this but the community can do it in a better way that will allow people to get accustomed to the e-sports scene more than the battle.net ladder will. I don't have a real answer for it but I think its good for the community and clearly adjustments will have to be made. Agreed Korean scene have a lot of depth, new gisu players are getting onto the spotlight all the time. Notable newer faces include bomber, puzzle, mma, sc, losira, coca, sage, DRG, puma just to name a few. Where are the new faces of the foreign scene, the only ones Ivan think of that agained the most fame in the last 6 month is Thorzain, even he has not placed highly in recent events. | ||
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Tektos
Australia1321 Posts
-> bigger prizes -> prompts Koreans to come over for a chance of winning said money -> demotivates foreign pro gamers because they never win -> foreigners stop coming to foreign tournaments -> foreign tournaments get less popular -> prize money decreases -> koreans stop coming -> foreign pro gamers start entering again because less competition -> foreign tournaments get more popular Its a cycle! | ||
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