|
On July 05 2011 14:56 jinixxx123 wrote:
well i think its pretty stupid,and the reasons given for leaving are not great.
first of all you are on the grandest stage of them all, Its the GSL in korea, you have been given an opportunity of a lifetime to compete in code A, other players such as dongraego are sitting on the side line because of players like you, yet you throw it all away for what? , to pay rent? .. This is your fucking life goal man.. there's no way in hell fucking rent will ever hold me back. You speak about coming back to the gsl in the future, How do you plan on doing that? what makes you so sure you will get a code a spot , what makes you so sure gsl will keep giving code a spots to foreigners when they keep doing things like this. Your road to the gsl next time might be next to impossible for you to even qualify, and the best thing you can say is i was not prepared for this and i got rent to pay back home.
news flash, when you are given the opportunity of a lifetime, you take it. Now you might be full of regrets about 'what if" when your sc2 career is over.
may i ask what is your true goal in sc2? is it only to compete on foreign events like mlg all the time? , what if you dont win?, how will you get paid, Gsl was the only way man, you get a decent salary just for being in code s dude.
i was a fan, im no longer a fan, call me when you take this seriously.
I guess it's sort of obvious that this post is wrong in a number of respects, but I'll go ahead and point out that there are legions of pro-gamers, both foreign AND Korean, who've mentioned that being in Korea is in many ways a financial waste of time. You say, "What if you don't win MLG?" But of course, there are a million other tournaments to play in outside of Korea, and they're not as competitive as the GSL -- NASL, IPL, FXOpen tournaments, etc, and that's just North America. Korea only has the GSL, so it's much more of a gamble, especially considering that Korea is not your home.
Moreover, the GSL is notoriously top-heavy, with Code S providing only a $1,400 prize for ro32 Code S finishers, $1,850 for ro16, and even only $2,800 for ro8. And this is the most competitive tournament in the world! So only consistent ro8 finishers will have anything close to the average salary of a young college-educated kid doing their first desk job.
And this is code S!! Not code A. Even if you won Code A every month, you would make half what I make at my desk job. And I'm young and I just started. And I'm guaranteed that paycheque every month.
This problem is compounded by the difficulty of local tournaments and the massive lag handicap you'd suffer in entering foreign online tournaments. Plus he'd have to live in the GSL foreigner house, unlike HuK and Jinro who live with the oGs guys. Basically, I'm not sure why he WOULD try for a Code S spot. It just seems like such a bad idea.
|
So basically it was Sheths intention to go as far as possible in gsl Code A, then leave no matter what happened, even if he won it. Seems fair to me. However, what isnt fair for his fans is that maybe they expected a little too much from Sheth. Thinking he could prove his worth and win Code A and even get high in Code S. Maybe.. but no the dream was not possible from the start. Seems like a bit of a waste from a fans point of view. FXO achieved what they wanted, which was some exposure for their team. Sheth got experience. GG for everyone. Now lets move on to Naniwa / Thorzain and some other foreigners in Korea.
|
|
|
On July 05 2011 14:00 Sheth wrote:
To put it simply, I had planned on staying in Korea for 1 month. This was for the GSTL the team league that FXO is in. I found out that while there I could play in code A, and I decided to accept that as I thought it would be a great experience. It was.
However I have other commitments that I have to deal with back home. I never planned to stay longer then 1 month in Korea. I will very likely go back to Korea in the future as I'm having a great time here. Still I'd only planned on staying here a month and if I do come back I'd like to be a little better prepared. (I'm still paying rent back in the states for instance)
Hopefully you can understand why I won't be staying in Korea however I'll definetly come back and continue to play SC2 in the states and outside of the states whenever I can. (Dreamhack?!) Hope that clears it up. =)
Edit: And what Plexa is saying is right as for the Wildcard matches.
Understandable i was just a little confused as to what would have happened if you had beat puzzle and made it to the up and down matches anyways, would you have not played in them? It just seemed like a second chance at something you were already commited too, but i guess you werent as commited as i thought, at least not this time  Did you explain to gom that these were your intentions because it seems someone like QXC who has said he is planning on staying in korea until september would have been far better suited as an invite as he would actually stay for the up and down matches and the next season of code a/s. I dunno seems unfair to other players who are more commited that would have actually done something with the opportunity.
Thanks for replying im still wondering what would have happened if you did beat puzzle and make it to the up and down matches though.
|
On July 05 2011 14:28 KMARTRULES wrote:
I kinda feel like it was a dick move by sheth. He knocked out san of code A, who is such an inspiration, his GSL results helped his new team buy better equipment (You can see it in the artosis interview), and then he leaves.
I guess im just being a San fanboy but i can't help but feel sorry for him.
Anyway, I wish you luck sheth, and you better all kill sometime in the gstl!
I agree, dont even agree to participate if your not actually going to take it seriously, it just doesnt seem fair to gom and other players even on FXO, QXC has said he is going to stay in korea until september, so he should have been given the spot over someone like sheth who had no intention of staying beyond code a. Its really a shame as i think if gom knew that these were his intentions they would have invited someone like QXC instead =/
|
On July 05 2011 15:14 suejak wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2011 14:56 jinixxx123 wrote:
well i think its pretty stupid,and the reasons given for leaving are not great.
first of all you are on the grandest stage of them all, Its the GSL in korea, you have been given an opportunity of a lifetime to compete in code A, other players such as dongraego are sitting on the side line because of players like you, yet you throw it all away for what? , to pay rent? .. This is your fucking life goal man.. there's no way in hell fucking rent will ever hold me back. You speak about coming back to the gsl in the future, How do you plan on doing that? what makes you so sure you will get a code a spot , what makes you so sure gsl will keep giving code a spots to foreigners when they keep doing things like this. Your road to the gsl next time might be next to impossible for you to even qualify, and the best thing you can say is i was not prepared for this and i got rent to pay back home.
news flash, when you are given the opportunity of a lifetime, you take it. Now you might be full of regrets about 'what if" when your sc2 career is over.
may i ask what is your true goal in sc2? is it only to compete on foreign events like mlg all the time? , what if you dont win?, how will you get paid, Gsl was the only way man, you get a decent salary just for being in code s dude.
i was a fan, im no longer a fan, call me when you take this seriously. I guess it's sort of obvious that this post is wrong in a number of respects, but I'll go ahead and point out that there are legions of pro-gamers, both foreign AND Korean, who've mentioned that being in Korea is in many ways a financial waste of time. You say, "What if you don't win MLG?" But of course, there are a million other tournaments to play in outside of Korea, and they're not as competitive as the GSL -- NASL, IPL, FXOpen tournaments, etc, and that's just North America. Korea only has the GSL, so it's much more of a gamble, especially considering that Korea is not your home. Moreover, the GSL is notoriously top-heavy, with Code S providing only a $1,400 prize for ro32 Code S finishers, $1,850 for ro16, and even only $2,800 for ro8. And this is the most competitive tournament in the world! So only consistent ro8 finishers will have anything close to the average salary of a young college-educated kid doing their first desk job. And this is code S!! Not code A. Even if you won Code A every month, you would make half what I make at my desk job. And I'm young and I just started. And I'm guaranteed that paycheque every month. This problem is compounded by the difficulty of local tournaments and the massive lag handicap you'd suffer in entering foreign online tournaments. Plus he'd have to live in the GSL foreigner house, unlike HuK and Jinro who live with the oGs guys. Basically, I'm not sure why he WOULD try for a Code S spot. It just seems like such a bad idea.
Still comparing those round of 32 16 and RO 8 those prizes are still better than any other tournament gives as well as the RO4 onwards is also better than any other tournament gives. The thing is if your not in the GSL and your just staying there trying to qualify sure financially its not worth it but if your already in code a/s or your being given a second shot at the up and down matches then that is a huge opportunity.
The thing is even just staying in the round of 32 code s your making more prize money then 90% of the other progamers out there. Not to mention there is nothing holding you back from competing in all the online tournaments that you would at home (koreans do it and seem to be winning pretty much all of the ones they particpate in recently) also if you have a financially sound team like sheth does then there is nothing stopping you from participating in dreamhack, MLG , NASL or any other big Lans, again koreans do it and also win.
Considering that there are going to be koreans at pretty much any big lan event now your best bet is to go to korea and train with them so that you actually have a shot at some of these tournaments and if your in GSL then thats even better your training with the best and you have a chance to make some big bucks in the most prize pool rich tournament out there.
|
On July 05 2011 15:14 suejak wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2011 14:56 jinixxx123 wrote:
well i think its pretty stupid,and the reasons given for leaving are not great.
first of all you are on the grandest stage of them all, Its the GSL in korea, you have been given an opportunity of a lifetime to compete in code A, other players such as dongraego are sitting on the side line because of players like you, yet you throw it all away for what? , to pay rent? .. This is your fucking life goal man.. there's no way in hell fucking rent will ever hold me back. You speak about coming back to the gsl in the future, How do you plan on doing that? what makes you so sure you will get a code a spot , what makes you so sure gsl will keep giving code a spots to foreigners when they keep doing things like this. Your road to the gsl next time might be next to impossible for you to even qualify, and the best thing you can say is i was not prepared for this and i got rent to pay back home.
news flash, when you are given the opportunity of a lifetime, you take it. Now you might be full of regrets about 'what if" when your sc2 career is over.
may i ask what is your true goal in sc2? is it only to compete on foreign events like mlg all the time? , what if you dont win?, how will you get paid, Gsl was the only way man, you get a decent salary just for being in code s dude.
i was a fan, im no longer a fan, call me when you take this seriously. But of course, there are a million other tournaments to play in outside of Korea, and they're not as competitive as the GSL -- NASL, IPL, FXOpen tournaments, etc, and that's just North America..
Funnily enough, if you look at the most recent results for those tournaments you mention, Koreans have been dominating them, because, well, they actually started competing in them. ^.^
|
I understand why Sheth chose to leave Code A and respect his decision, but I'm a little confused as to why the situation happened in the first place. Considering that the GSL is a qualifier only tournament with close to a hundred players dedicating their lives to just trying to get in, you'd think that the organizers would try to make sure of a player's commitment for future seasons before handing what was only the fifth invite of their history. Regardless, I wish the best success to Sheth, and I hope that we're going to see him again in GSL someday !
|
United States2095 Posts
On July 05 2011 16:23 Executor1 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2011 14:28 KMARTRULES wrote:
I kinda feel like it was a dick move by sheth. He knocked out san of code A, who is such an inspiration, his GSL results helped his new team buy better equipment (You can see it in the artosis interview), and then he leaves.
I guess im just being a San fanboy but i can't help but feel sorry for him.
Anyway, I wish you luck sheth, and you better all kill sometime in the gstl! I agree, dont even agree to participate if your not actually going to take it seriously, it just doesnt seem fair to gom and other players even on FXO, QXC has said he is going to stay in korea until september, so he should have been given the spot over someone like sheth who had no intention of staying beyond code a. Its really a shame as i think if gom knew that these were his intentions they would have invited someone like QXC instead =/
Do you hate Korean players who come to play temporarily in USA or Europe because the foreign tournament invited them? Let me give you an example, Losira took 2nd in the last MLG. He has enough points to be seeded and play in the "Group stages -- Comparitive to Code A" and now if he doesn't get an invite and no1 pays him to stay in the US, would you be mad that he chose to stay in his home country? Would you say how dare Losira not take it seriously?
AND how did I not take it seriously? I hate that comment, considering i played and treated it as seriously as possible.
|
On July 05 2011 16:39 snafoo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2011 15:14 suejak wrote:On July 05 2011 14:56 jinixxx123 wrote:
well i think its pretty stupid,and the reasons given for leaving are not great.
first of all you are on the grandest stage of them all, Its the GSL in korea, you have been given an opportunity of a lifetime to compete in code A, other players such as dongraego are sitting on the side line because of players like you, yet you throw it all away for what? , to pay rent? .. This is your fucking life goal man.. there's no way in hell fucking rent will ever hold me back. You speak about coming back to the gsl in the future, How do you plan on doing that? what makes you so sure you will get a code a spot , what makes you so sure gsl will keep giving code a spots to foreigners when they keep doing things like this. Your road to the gsl next time might be next to impossible for you to even qualify, and the best thing you can say is i was not prepared for this and i got rent to pay back home.
news flash, when you are given the opportunity of a lifetime, you take it. Now you might be full of regrets about 'what if" when your sc2 career is over.
may i ask what is your true goal in sc2? is it only to compete on foreign events like mlg all the time? , what if you dont win?, how will you get paid, Gsl was the only way man, you get a decent salary just for being in code s dude.
i was a fan, im no longer a fan, call me when you take this seriously. But of course, there are a million other tournaments to play in outside of Korea, and they're not as competitive as the GSL -- NASL, IPL, FXOpen tournaments, etc, and that's just North America.. Funnily enough, if you look at the most recent results for those tournaments you mention, Koreans have been dominating them, because, well, they actually started competing in them. ^.^
There's a big difference between a tournament with four Koreans and one with 32 Koreans.
|
Wow, Sheth. I'm really surprised so many people are giving you flack for this. I won't get too involved, but I just want to reassure you that some of us AREN'T crazy. I totally understand what you're saying and where you're coming from. Best of luck with the rest of GSL, your return to America, and wherever life takes you next.
|
Do you hate Korean players who come to play temporarily in USA or Europe because the foreign tournament invited them? Let me give you an example, Losira took 2nd in the last MLG. He has enough points to be seeded and play in the "Group stages -- Comparitive to Code A" and now if he doesn't get an invite and no1 pays him to stay in the US, would you be mad that he chose to stay in his home country? Would you say how dare Losira not take it seriously?
AND how did I not take it seriously? I hate that comment, considering i played and treated it as seriously as possible.
So just to be clear, if you had qualified for up/downs and made it into Code S you would be going home anyways since you planned to be there one month?
|
On July 05 2011 13:51 Battousai13 wrote:
Jinro lives in the same progaming house with players such as TOP, Supernova, Zenio, and MC, yet these are results that he's posting? I want to be a fan, but c'mon. I don't want to believe that he was only successful because he figured out macro Terran before everyone else did.
Well, don't be a fan then! I don't think Jinro needs fairweather fans anyways!
|
On July 05 2011 17:16 Duravi wrote:Show nested quote +Do you hate Korean players who come to play temporarily in USA or Europe because the foreign tournament invited them? Let me give you an example, Losira took 2nd in the last MLG. He has enough points to be seeded and play in the "Group stages -- Comparitive to Code A" and now if he doesn't get an invite and no1 pays him to stay in the US, would you be mad that he chose to stay in his home country? Would you say how dare Losira not take it seriously?
AND how did I not take it seriously? I hate that comment, considering i played and treated it as seriously as possible. So just to be clear, if you had qualified for up/downs and made it into Code S you would be going home anyways since you planned to be there one month?
Would Sheth still be going home if he won Code A?
|
On July 05 2011 17:00 lunchforthesky wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2011 16:39 snafoo wrote:On July 05 2011 15:14 suejak wrote:On July 05 2011 14:56 jinixxx123 wrote:
well i think its pretty stupid,and the reasons given for leaving are not great.
first of all you are on the grandest stage of them all, Its the GSL in korea, you have been given an opportunity of a lifetime to compete in code A, other players such as dongraego are sitting on the side line because of players like you, yet you throw it all away for what? , to pay rent? .. This is your fucking life goal man.. there's no way in hell fucking rent will ever hold me back. You speak about coming back to the gsl in the future, How do you plan on doing that? what makes you so sure you will get a code a spot , what makes you so sure gsl will keep giving code a spots to foreigners when they keep doing things like this. Your road to the gsl next time might be next to impossible for you to even qualify, and the best thing you can say is i was not prepared for this and i got rent to pay back home.
news flash, when you are given the opportunity of a lifetime, you take it. Now you might be full of regrets about 'what if" when your sc2 career is over.
may i ask what is your true goal in sc2? is it only to compete on foreign events like mlg all the time? , what if you dont win?, how will you get paid, Gsl was the only way man, you get a decent salary just for being in code s dude.
i was a fan, im no longer a fan, call me when you take this seriously. But of course, there are a million other tournaments to play in outside of Korea, and they're not as competitive as the GSL -- NASL, IPL, FXOpen tournaments, etc, and that's just North America.. Funnily enough, if you look at the most recent results for those tournaments you mention, Koreans have been dominating them, because, well, they actually started competing in them. ^.^ There's a big difference between a tournament with four Koreans and one with 32 Koreans.
What are you talking about? The guy was saying you can make more money outside Korea by competing in online tournaments, and I pointed out that these online tournaments he talks about have been dominated by Koreans recently who have won them thus disproving that there is more money to be made by living in the US/outside Korea.
Sure, it's probably harder to play in them compared to playing in them from the US due to the latency, but it's not impossible to win at all.
|
On July 05 2011 14:56 jinixxx123 wrote:
well i think its pretty stupid,and the reasons given for leaving are not great.
first of all you are on the grandest stage of them all, Its the GSL in korea, you have been given an opportunity of a lifetime to compete in code A, other players such as dongraego are sitting on the side line because of players like you, yet you throw it all away for what? , to pay rent? .. This is your fucking life goal man.. there's no way in hell fucking rent will ever hold me back. You speak about coming back to the gsl in the future, How do you plan on doing that? what makes you so sure you will get a code a spot , what makes you so sure gsl will keep giving code a spots to foreigners when they keep doing things like this. Your road to the gsl next time might be next to impossible for you to even qualify, and the best thing you can say is i was not prepared for this and i got rent to pay back home.
news flash, when you are given the opportunity of a lifetime, you take it. Now you might be full of regrets about 'what if" when your sc2 career is over.
may i ask what is your true goal in sc2? is it only to compete on foreign events like mlg all the time? , what if you dont win?, how will you get paid, Gsl was the only way man, you get a decent salary just for being in code s dude.
i was a fan, im no longer a fan, call me when you take this seriously.
It's interesting that you seemed to think that Sheth's life goal is pro-gaming. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. But you do have the right to support whoever you want - and if Sheth doesn't meet your expectations maybe it's a good thing that you stop being a fan.
|
Sound like pretty legit reasons to me. Definitely hope shawn goes back though. I think with some time on Korea ladder and pro practice partners he could make a nice GSL run 
|
On July 05 2011 16:58 Sheth wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2011 16:23 Executor1 wrote:On July 05 2011 14:28 KMARTRULES wrote:
I kinda feel like it was a dick move by sheth. He knocked out san of code A, who is such an inspiration, his GSL results helped his new team buy better equipment (You can see it in the artosis interview), and then he leaves.
I guess im just being a San fanboy but i can't help but feel sorry for him.
Anyway, I wish you luck sheth, and you better all kill sometime in the gstl! I agree, dont even agree to participate if your not actually going to take it seriously, it just doesnt seem fair to gom and other players even on FXO, QXC has said he is going to stay in korea until september, so he should have been given the spot over someone like sheth who had no intention of staying beyond code a. Its really a shame as i think if gom knew that these were his intentions they would have invited someone like QXC instead =/ Do you hate Korean players who come to play temporarily in USA or Europe because the foreign tournament invited them? Let me give you an example, Losira took 2nd in the last MLG. He has enough points to be seeded and play in the "Group stages -- Comparitive to Code A" and now if he doesn't get an invite and no1 pays him to stay in the US, would you be mad that he chose to stay in his home country? Would you say how dare Losira not take it seriously?
The difference is that MLG's group stages are 83% invites 17% qualifications, while you were the only invite in Code A. If LosirA doesn't show up for MLG Anaheim, they just call up the next person on the invite list, so it's not as big of a deal.
That said I don't think you're to blame at all for taking the opportunity when it came or for choosing to prioritize your life in the USA, especially since you already had a clear plan in mind when you came in Korea. You just did what 90% of the people would have done in your place. I just don't think it was that great of a move from GomTV to make that one special exception from their system of hard work and commitment for a player that was only planning to spend one month in Korea. (Your invite wasn't a part of the GSL-MLG exchange program, right ?)
I think it would have been better for the GSL overall if your Code A spot had went to a player who was fully committed to going all the way through the tournament and giving his best to qualify for Code S. But I'm still happy that we got to see you play against the competition in Korea, and I hope that you're planning to go back there for more at some point in the future !
|
I think it would have been better for the GSL overall if your Code A spot had went to a player who was fully committed to going all the way through the tournament and giving his best to qualify for Code S. But I'm still happy that we got to see you play against the competition in Korea, and I hope that you're planning to go back there for more at some point in the future !
Exactly. I really want to know what you would have done had you qualified for Code S sheth, it is a little unfair of a question to be sure because either way you answer that question you come out looking bad. Either you would have thrown away a Code S opportunity which makes you look bad or you would have stayed only if you got Code S which makes your one month story look like baloney.
|
United States2095 Posts
On July 05 2011 17:16 Duravi wrote:Show nested quote +Do you hate Korean players who come to play temporarily in USA or Europe because the foreign tournament invited them? Let me give you an example, Losira took 2nd in the last MLG. He has enough points to be seeded and play in the "Group stages -- Comparitive to Code A" and now if he doesn't get an invite and no1 pays him to stay in the US, would you be mad that he chose to stay in his home country? Would you say how dare Losira not take it seriously?
AND how did I not take it seriously? I hate that comment, considering i played and treated it as seriously as possible. So just to be clear, if you had qualified for up/downs and made it into Code S you would be going home anyways since you planned to be there one month?
If I had made Code S there was a possibility of me staying. This has gotten way more in depth then it really should have. I geuss you can either take it as you want to, you'll either appreciate the effort I put forth to even be here to play or you can be mad that I wasted the spot that you'd rather have seen went to someone else. However that call is GOM's and I'm really happy they at least wanted me to be able to play. <3 GSL
I will also say, its pretty low that even considering I'm taking the time to explain this, and I still have people saying basically "you're lieing!!!" or "why would you take someone else's code a spot". You know its NOT my decision. Its GOM's. If you have a problem with who they choose, why don't you complain to them.
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
