As we all know Rain forfeited his spot for code s, therefore a wildcard tournament with the players that didnt advance to the round of 8 was held to see who would take his spot in the up and down matches.
The participating players were:
CheckPrime.WE (Z)
FXOSheth (Z) *FXOSheth decided to forfeit his spot for personal reasons
oGsLuvsic (Z)
MVPTails (P)
Liquid'Jinro (T)
SlayerS_Yugioh (Z)
SlayerS_Ryung (T)
IMYoda (T)
I dont really understand why sheth decided not to participate, wasnt the whole point of him being in code a in the first place was to get to the up and down matches? I dunno why he wouldnt give it another go seems kind of silly. It states personal reasons, but what would have happened if he beat puzzle? Would he have forfeited his spot in the up and down matches for personal reasons I doubt it, the whole thing seems kind of silly.
In better news Slayers Ryung advances to get his second shot at code s, I really think Ryung is a capable player and could very easily be code s material.
On July 05 2011 14:00 Sheth wrote: To put it simply, I had planned on staying in Korea for 1 month. This was for the GSTL the team league that FXO is in. I found out that while there I could play in code A, and I decided to accept that as I thought it would be a great experience. It was.
However I have other commitments that I have to deal with back home. I never planned to stay longer then 1 month in Korea. I will very likely go back to Korea in the future as I'm having a great time here. Still I'd only planned on staying here a month and if I do come back I'd like to be a little better prepared. (I'm still paying rent back in the states for instance)
Hopefully you can understand why I won't be staying in Korea however I'll definetly come back and continue to play SC2 in the states and outside of the states whenever I can. (Dreamhack?!) Hope that clears it up. =)
Edit: And what Plexa is saying is right as for the Wildcard matches.
I assumed, based on earlier posts by BOSS, that Sheth was probably homesick and wouldn't be staying in Korea much longer. This seems consistent with that, but could be coincidence.
edit: this is an assumption of mine, nothing more -_-
maybe he was travelling with FXO or something, im sure his schedule is already well packed, being a white person in Korea, he might have been doing filming as an extra in a movie.
Homesick already? Hes barely been there more than 2 weeks (he showed up later than the rest of his team i think hes only really been there for a week and a half)
Has he never been on a vacation before? I personally wouldnt consider that a valid excuse.
I just find it strange considering had he beat puzzle he would have been in the up and down matches anyways, and i dont understand why he would accept a code a spot without the goal of trying to make it to the up and down matches and compete in GSL august. Especially because GSL is in back to back months for july and august so he wouldnt even have to be waiting around in korea for it to start it starts very shortly after the code s finals.
On July 05 2011 13:09 Executor1 wrote:I personally wouldnt consider that a valid excuse.
Why does he need an excuse? It is his choice and this is the decision he has come to. Regardless of the reason you should accept his choice rather than saying his excuse isn't valid.
What you said in my opinion is an utterly disrespectful towards Sheth. Different people feel homesick for different reasons so accept that not everyone is like you and if he feels homesick then accept that.
Jinro lives in the same progaming house with players such as TOP, Supernova, Zenio, and MC, yet these are results that he's posting? I want to be a fan, but c'mon. I don't want to believe that he was only successful because he figured out macro Terran before everyone else did.
Sheth, because he made Ro16 has a spot for Code A next season (GSL August), has decided not to say for GSL August, per what Josh (FXOBoSs) said. Since he won't be staying for GSL August, there's no reason for him to play for a chance to go to Up & Down and try for Code S. So, that makes sense.
His reasons for not staying are his own, but not everyone is made for uprooting their life and moving to a foreign country suddenly. So I'm guessing that he'll just be going home from MLG Anaheim (which is a week after the last GSTL round-robin match for FXOpen).
On July 04 2011 15:00 Sheth wrote: Ghostfoot, I would have done that. I wanted to play in it and just have the experience. GSL wanted me to as well. However I wasn't given the time so I couldn't play in it. All good though! Go Jinro! : )
To put it simply, I had planned on staying in Korea for 1 month. This was for the GSTL the team league that FXO is in. I found out that while there I could play in code A, and I decided to accept that as I thought it would be a great experience. It was.
However I have other commitments that I have to deal with back home. I never planned to stay longer then 1 month in Korea. I will very likely go back to Korea in the future as I'm having a great time here. Still I'd only planned on staying here a month and if I do come back I'd like to be a little better prepared. (I'm still paying rent back in the states for instance)
Hopefully you can understand why I won't be staying in Korea however I'll definetly come back and continue to play SC2 in the states and outside of the states whenever I can. (Dreamhack?!) Hope that clears it up. =)
Edit: And what Plexa is saying is right as for the Wildcard matches.
On July 05 2011 13:54 Taf the Ghost wrote: Sheth, because he made Ro16 has a spot for Code A next season (GSL August), has decided not to say for GSL August, per what Josh (FXOBoSs) said. Since he won't be staying for GSL August, there's no reason for him to play for a chance to go to Up & Down and try for Code S. So, that makes sense.
His reasons for not staying are his own, but not everyone is made for uprooting their life and moving to a foreign country suddenly. So I'm guessing that he'll just be going home from MLG Anaheim (which is a week after the last GSTL round-robin match for FXOpen).
What happens when he moves to the FXO house in Malaysia?
On July 05 2011 14:00 Sheth wrote: To put it simply, I had planned on staying in Korea for 1 month. This was for the GSTL the team league that FXO is in. I found out that while there I could play in code A, and I decided to accept that as I thought it would be a great experience. It was.
However I have other commitments that I have to deal with back home. I never planned to stay longer then 1 month in Korea. I will very likely go back to Korea in the future as I'm having a great time here. Still I'd only planned on staying here a month and if I do come back I'd like to be a little better prepared. (I'm still paying rent back in the states for instance)
Hopefully you can understand why I won't be staying in Korea however I'll definetly come back and continue to play SC2 in the states and outside of the states whenever I can. (Dreamhack?!) Hope that clears it up. =)
Edit: And what Plexa is saying is right as for the Wildcard matches.
Thank you for making this clear so the theory crafting and drama can stop. (♥)
Sheth, you're such an awesome guy. This is really appreciated because all of us fanboys are always trying to get into the minds of our heroes to understand why they decided to do this and that. An open communication like this is so appreciated. I know you know this, I want to say it anyways!
Keep being the awesome player and person that you really seem to be!
I kinda feel like it was a dick move by sheth. He knocked out san of code A, who is such an inspiration, his GSL results helped his new team buy better equipment (You can see it in the artosis interview), and then he leaves.
I guess im just being a San fanboy but i can't help but feel sorry for him.
Anyway, I wish you luck sheth, and you better all kill sometime in the gstl!
On July 05 2011 14:28 KMARTRULES wrote: I kinda feel like it was a dick move by sheth. He knocked out san of code A, who is such an inspiration, his GSL results helped his new team buy better equipment (You can see it in the artosis interview), and then he leaves.
I guess im just being a San fanboy but i can't help but feel sorry for him.
Anyway, I wish you luck sheth, and you better all kill sometime in the gstl!
Um, in no way, shape, or form was it a dick move by Sheth....what a ridiculous comment.
On July 05 2011 14:28 KMARTRULES wrote: I kinda feel like it was a dick move by sheth. He knocked out san of code A, who is such an inspiration, his GSL results helped his new team buy better equipment (You can see it in the artosis interview), and then he leaves.
I guess im just being a San fanboy but i can't help but feel sorry for him.
Anyway, I wish you luck sheth, and you better all kill sometime in the gstl!
Just read Sheths comment above, should clarify things for you. If not this statement of yours is just stupid in everyway.
Good luck in future tournaments, Sheth. Given your performance in Code A, I honestly think you have a very good shot at going very far in the GSL. It would be a pleasure to have you back.
On July 05 2011 13:51 Battousai13 wrote: Jinro lives in the same progaming house with players such as TOP, Supernova, Zenio, and MC, yet these are results that he's posting? I want to be a fan, but c'mon. I don't want to believe that he was only successful because he figured out macro Terran before everyone else did.
Jesus christ, get off him already. No matter how good you are, you don't win every game. He could go on a brilliant 20-0 streak against all of those guys on the ladder, but as soon as he drops a tournament match people discredit the guy.
On July 05 2011 14:00 Sheth wrote: To put it simply, I had planned on staying in Korea for 1 month. This was for the GSTL the team league that FXO is in. I found out that while there I could play in code A, and I decided to accept that as I thought it would be a great experience. It was.
However I have other commitments that I have to deal with back home. I never planned to stay longer then 1 month in Korea. I will very likely go back to Korea in the future as I'm having a great time here. Still I'd only planned on staying here a month and if I do come back I'd like to be a little better prepared. (I'm still paying rent back in the states for instance)
Hopefully you can understand why I won't be staying in Korea however I'll definetly come back and continue to play SC2 in the states and outside of the states whenever I can. (Dreamhack?!) Hope that clears it up. =)
Edit: And what Plexa is saying is right as for the Wildcard matches.
Just to clear 1 thing up Sheth: are you still in school? I thought I heard someone say that. Which would make staying for August a tad hard, lol.
well i think its pretty stupid,and the reasons given for leaving are not great.
first of all you are on the grandest stage of them all, Its the GSL in korea, you have been given an opportunity of a lifetime to compete in code A, other players such as dongraego are sitting on the side line because of players like you, yet you throw it all away for what? , to pay rent? .. This is your fucking life goal man.. there's no way in hell fucking rent will ever hold me back. You speak about coming back to the gsl in the future, How do you plan on doing that? what makes you so sure you will get a code a spot , what makes you so sure gsl will keep giving code a spots to foreigners when they keep doing things like this. Your road to the gsl next time might be next to impossible for you to even qualify, and the best thing you can say is i was not prepared for this and i got rent to pay back home.
news flash, when you are given the opportunity of a lifetime, you take it. Now you might be full of regrets about 'what if" when your sc2 career is over.
may i ask what is your true goal in sc2? is it only to compete on foreign events like mlg all the time? , what if you dont win?, how will you get paid, Gsl was the only way man, you get a decent salary just for being in code s dude.
i was a fan, im no longer a fan, call me when you take this seriously.
On July 05 2011 14:56 jinixxx123 wrote: well i think its pretty stupid,and the reasons given for leaving are not great.
first of all you are on the grandest stage of them all, Its the GSL in korea, you have been given an opportunity of a lifetime to compete in code A, other players such as dongraego are sitting on the side line because of players like you, yet you throw it all away for what? , to pay rent? .. This is your fucking life goal man.. there's no way in hell fucking rent will ever hold me back. You speak about coming back to the gsl in the future, How do you plan on doing that? what makes you so sure you will get a code a spot , what makes you so sure gsl will keep giving code a spots to foreigners when they keep doing things like this. Your road to the gsl next time might be next to impossible for you to even qualify, and the best thing you can say is i was not prepared for this and i got rent to pay back home.
news flash, when you are given the opportunity of a lifetime, you take it. Now you might be full of regrets about 'what if" when your sc2 career is over.
may i ask what is your true goal in sc2? is it only to compete on foreign events like mlg all the time? , what if you dont win?, how will you get paid, Gsl was the only way man, you get a decent salary just for being in code s dude.
i was a fan, im no longer a fan, call me when you take this seriously.
On July 05 2011 14:56 jinixxx123 wrote: well i think its pretty stupid,and the reasons given for leaving are not great.
first of all you are on the grandest stage of them all, Its the GSL in korea, you have been given an opportunity of a lifetime to compete in code A, other players such as dongraego are sitting on the side line because of players like you, yet you throw it all away for what? , to pay rent? .. This is your fucking life goal man.. there's no way in hell fucking rent will ever hold me back. You speak about coming back to the gsl in the future, How do you plan on doing that? what makes you so sure you will get a code a spot , what makes you so sure gsl will keep giving code a spots to foreigners when they keep doing things like this. Your road to the gsl next time might be next to impossible for you to even qualify, and the best thing you can say is i was not prepared for this and i got rent to pay back home.
news flash, when you are given the opportunity of a lifetime, you take it. Now you might be full of regrets about 'what if" when your sc2 career is over.
may i ask what is your true goal in sc2? is it only to compete on foreign events like mlg all the time? , what if you dont win?, how will you get paid, Gsl was the only way man, you get a decent salary just for being in code s dude.
i was a fan, im no longer a fan, call me when you take this seriously.
I guess it's sort of obvious that this post is wrong in a number of respects, but I'll go ahead and point out that there are legions of pro-gamers, both foreign AND Korean, who've mentioned that being in Korea is in many ways a financial waste of time. You say, "What if you don't win MLG?" But of course, there are a million other tournaments to play in outside of Korea, and they're not as competitive as the GSL -- NASL, IPL, FXOpen tournaments, etc, and that's just North America. Korea only has the GSL, so it's much more of a gamble, especially considering that Korea is not your home.
Moreover, the GSL is notoriously top-heavy, with Code S providing only a $1,400 prize for ro32 Code S finishers, $1,850 for ro16, and even only $2,800 for ro8. And this is the most competitive tournament in the world! So only consistent ro8 finishers will have anything close to the average salary of a young college-educated kid doing their first desk job.
And this is code S!! Not code A. Even if you won Code A every month, you would make half what I make at my desk job. And I'm young and I just started. And I'm guaranteed that paycheque every month.
This problem is compounded by the difficulty of local tournaments and the massive lag handicap you'd suffer in entering foreign online tournaments. Plus he'd have to live in the GSL foreigner house, unlike HuK and Jinro who live with the oGs guys. Basically, I'm not sure why he WOULD try for a Code S spot. It just seems like such a bad idea.
So basically it was Sheths intention to go as far as possible in gsl Code A, then leave no matter what happened, even if he won it. Seems fair to me. However, what isnt fair for his fans is that maybe they expected a little too much from Sheth. Thinking he could prove his worth and win Code A and even get high in Code S. Maybe.. but no the dream was not possible from the start. Seems like a bit of a waste from a fans point of view. FXO achieved what they wanted, which was some exposure for their team. Sheth got experience. GG for everyone. Now lets move on to Naniwa / Thorzain and some other foreigners in Korea.
On July 05 2011 14:00 Sheth wrote: To put it simply, I had planned on staying in Korea for 1 month. This was for the GSTL the team league that FXO is in. I found out that while there I could play in code A, and I decided to accept that as I thought it would be a great experience. It was.
However I have other commitments that I have to deal with back home. I never planned to stay longer then 1 month in Korea. I will very likely go back to Korea in the future as I'm having a great time here. Still I'd only planned on staying here a month and if I do come back I'd like to be a little better prepared. (I'm still paying rent back in the states for instance)
Hopefully you can understand why I won't be staying in Korea however I'll definetly come back and continue to play SC2 in the states and outside of the states whenever I can. (Dreamhack?!) Hope that clears it up. =)
Edit: And what Plexa is saying is right as for the Wildcard matches.
Understandable i was just a little confused as to what would have happened if you had beat puzzle and made it to the up and down matches anyways, would you have not played in them? It just seemed like a second chance at something you were already commited too, but i guess you werent as commited as i thought, at least not this time Did you explain to gom that these were your intentions because it seems someone like QXC who has said he is planning on staying in korea until september would have been far better suited as an invite as he would actually stay for the up and down matches and the next season of code a/s. I dunno seems unfair to other players who are more commited that would have actually done something with the opportunity.
Thanks for replying im still wondering what would have happened if you did beat puzzle and make it to the up and down matches though.
On July 05 2011 14:28 KMARTRULES wrote: I kinda feel like it was a dick move by sheth. He knocked out san of code A, who is such an inspiration, his GSL results helped his new team buy better equipment (You can see it in the artosis interview), and then he leaves.
I guess im just being a San fanboy but i can't help but feel sorry for him.
Anyway, I wish you luck sheth, and you better all kill sometime in the gstl!
I agree, dont even agree to participate if your not actually going to take it seriously, it just doesnt seem fair to gom and other players even on FXO, QXC has said he is going to stay in korea until september, so he should have been given the spot over someone like sheth who had no intention of staying beyond code a. Its really a shame as i think if gom knew that these were his intentions they would have invited someone like QXC instead =/
On July 05 2011 14:56 jinixxx123 wrote: well i think its pretty stupid,and the reasons given for leaving are not great.
first of all you are on the grandest stage of them all, Its the GSL in korea, you have been given an opportunity of a lifetime to compete in code A, other players such as dongraego are sitting on the side line because of players like you, yet you throw it all away for what? , to pay rent? .. This is your fucking life goal man.. there's no way in hell fucking rent will ever hold me back. You speak about coming back to the gsl in the future, How do you plan on doing that? what makes you so sure you will get a code a spot , what makes you so sure gsl will keep giving code a spots to foreigners when they keep doing things like this. Your road to the gsl next time might be next to impossible for you to even qualify, and the best thing you can say is i was not prepared for this and i got rent to pay back home.
news flash, when you are given the opportunity of a lifetime, you take it. Now you might be full of regrets about 'what if" when your sc2 career is over.
may i ask what is your true goal in sc2? is it only to compete on foreign events like mlg all the time? , what if you dont win?, how will you get paid, Gsl was the only way man, you get a decent salary just for being in code s dude.
i was a fan, im no longer a fan, call me when you take this seriously.
I guess it's sort of obvious that this post is wrong in a number of respects, but I'll go ahead and point out that there are legions of pro-gamers, both foreign AND Korean, who've mentioned that being in Korea is in many ways a financial waste of time. You say, "What if you don't win MLG?" But of course, there are a million other tournaments to play in outside of Korea, and they're not as competitive as the GSL -- NASL, IPL, FXOpen tournaments, etc, and that's just North America. Korea only has the GSL, so it's much more of a gamble, especially considering that Korea is not your home.
Moreover, the GSL is notoriously top-heavy, with Code S providing only a $1,400 prize for ro32 Code S finishers, $1,850 for ro16, and even only $2,800 for ro8. And this is the most competitive tournament in the world! So only consistent ro8 finishers will have anything close to the average salary of a young college-educated kid doing their first desk job.
And this is code S!! Not code A. Even if you won Code A every month, you would make half what I make at my desk job. And I'm young and I just started. And I'm guaranteed that paycheque every month.
This problem is compounded by the difficulty of local tournaments and the massive lag handicap you'd suffer in entering foreign online tournaments. Plus he'd have to live in the GSL foreigner house, unlike HuK and Jinro who live with the oGs guys. Basically, I'm not sure why he WOULD try for a Code S spot. It just seems like such a bad idea.
Still comparing those round of 32 16 and RO 8 those prizes are still better than any other tournament gives as well as the RO4 onwards is also better than any other tournament gives. The thing is if your not in the GSL and your just staying there trying to qualify sure financially its not worth it but if your already in code a/s or your being given a second shot at the up and down matches then that is a huge opportunity.
The thing is even just staying in the round of 32 code s your making more prize money then 90% of the other progamers out there. Not to mention there is nothing holding you back from competing in all the online tournaments that you would at home (koreans do it and seem to be winning pretty much all of the ones they particpate in recently) also if you have a financially sound team like sheth does then there is nothing stopping you from participating in dreamhack, MLG , NASL or any other big Lans, again koreans do it and also win.
Considering that there are going to be koreans at pretty much any big lan event now your best bet is to go to korea and train with them so that you actually have a shot at some of these tournaments and if your in GSL then thats even better your training with the best and you have a chance to make some big bucks in the most prize pool rich tournament out there.
On July 05 2011 14:56 jinixxx123 wrote: well i think its pretty stupid,and the reasons given for leaving are not great.
first of all you are on the grandest stage of them all, Its the GSL in korea, you have been given an opportunity of a lifetime to compete in code A, other players such as dongraego are sitting on the side line because of players like you, yet you throw it all away for what? , to pay rent? .. This is your fucking life goal man.. there's no way in hell fucking rent will ever hold me back. You speak about coming back to the gsl in the future, How do you plan on doing that? what makes you so sure you will get a code a spot , what makes you so sure gsl will keep giving code a spots to foreigners when they keep doing things like this. Your road to the gsl next time might be next to impossible for you to even qualify, and the best thing you can say is i was not prepared for this and i got rent to pay back home.
news flash, when you are given the opportunity of a lifetime, you take it. Now you might be full of regrets about 'what if" when your sc2 career is over.
may i ask what is your true goal in sc2? is it only to compete on foreign events like mlg all the time? , what if you dont win?, how will you get paid, Gsl was the only way man, you get a decent salary just for being in code s dude.
i was a fan, im no longer a fan, call me when you take this seriously.
But of course, there are a million other tournaments to play in outside of Korea, and they're not as competitive as the GSL -- NASL, IPL, FXOpen tournaments, etc, and that's just North America..
Funnily enough, if you look at the most recent results for those tournaments you mention, Koreans have been dominating them, because, well, they actually started competing in them. ^.^
I understand why Sheth chose to leave Code A and respect his decision, but I'm a little confused as to why the situation happened in the first place. Considering that the GSL is a qualifier only tournament with close to a hundred players dedicating their lives to just trying to get in, you'd think that the organizers would try to make sure of a player's commitment for future seasons before handing what was only the fifth invite of their history. Regardless, I wish the best success to Sheth, and I hope that we're going to see him again in GSL someday !
On July 05 2011 14:28 KMARTRULES wrote: I kinda feel like it was a dick move by sheth. He knocked out san of code A, who is such an inspiration, his GSL results helped his new team buy better equipment (You can see it in the artosis interview), and then he leaves.
I guess im just being a San fanboy but i can't help but feel sorry for him.
Anyway, I wish you luck sheth, and you better all kill sometime in the gstl!
I agree, dont even agree to participate if your not actually going to take it seriously, it just doesnt seem fair to gom and other players even on FXO, QXC has said he is going to stay in korea until september, so he should have been given the spot over someone like sheth who had no intention of staying beyond code a. Its really a shame as i think if gom knew that these were his intentions they would have invited someone like QXC instead =/
Do you hate Korean players who come to play temporarily in USA or Europe because the foreign tournament invited them? Let me give you an example, Losira took 2nd in the last MLG. He has enough points to be seeded and play in the "Group stages -- Comparitive to Code A" and now if he doesn't get an invite and no1 pays him to stay in the US, would you be mad that he chose to stay in his home country? Would you say how dare Losira not take it seriously?
AND how did I not take it seriously? I hate that comment, considering i played and treated it as seriously as possible.
On July 05 2011 14:56 jinixxx123 wrote: well i think its pretty stupid,and the reasons given for leaving are not great.
first of all you are on the grandest stage of them all, Its the GSL in korea, you have been given an opportunity of a lifetime to compete in code A, other players such as dongraego are sitting on the side line because of players like you, yet you throw it all away for what? , to pay rent? .. This is your fucking life goal man.. there's no way in hell fucking rent will ever hold me back. You speak about coming back to the gsl in the future, How do you plan on doing that? what makes you so sure you will get a code a spot , what makes you so sure gsl will keep giving code a spots to foreigners when they keep doing things like this. Your road to the gsl next time might be next to impossible for you to even qualify, and the best thing you can say is i was not prepared for this and i got rent to pay back home.
news flash, when you are given the opportunity of a lifetime, you take it. Now you might be full of regrets about 'what if" when your sc2 career is over.
may i ask what is your true goal in sc2? is it only to compete on foreign events like mlg all the time? , what if you dont win?, how will you get paid, Gsl was the only way man, you get a decent salary just for being in code s dude.
i was a fan, im no longer a fan, call me when you take this seriously.
But of course, there are a million other tournaments to play in outside of Korea, and they're not as competitive as the GSL -- NASL, IPL, FXOpen tournaments, etc, and that's just North America..
Funnily enough, if you look at the most recent results for those tournaments you mention, Koreans have been dominating them, because, well, they actually started competing in them. ^.^
There's a big difference between a tournament with four Koreans and one with 32 Koreans.
Wow, Sheth. I'm really surprised so many people are giving you flack for this. I won't get too involved, but I just want to reassure you that some of us AREN'T crazy. I totally understand what you're saying and where you're coming from. Best of luck with the rest of GSL, your return to America, and wherever life takes you next.
Do you hate Korean players who come to play temporarily in USA or Europe because the foreign tournament invited them? Let me give you an example, Losira took 2nd in the last MLG. He has enough points to be seeded and play in the "Group stages -- Comparitive to Code A" and now if he doesn't get an invite and no1 pays him to stay in the US, would you be mad that he chose to stay in his home country? Would you say how dare Losira not take it seriously?
AND how did I not take it seriously? I hate that comment, considering i played and treated it as seriously as possible.
So just to be clear, if you had qualified for up/downs and made it into Code S you would be going home anyways since you planned to be there one month?
On July 05 2011 13:51 Battousai13 wrote: Jinro lives in the same progaming house with players such as TOP, Supernova, Zenio, and MC, yet these are results that he's posting? I want to be a fan, but c'mon. I don't want to believe that he was only successful because he figured out macro Terran before everyone else did.
Well, don't be a fan then! I don't think Jinro needs fairweather fans anyways!
Do you hate Korean players who come to play temporarily in USA or Europe because the foreign tournament invited them? Let me give you an example, Losira took 2nd in the last MLG. He has enough points to be seeded and play in the "Group stages -- Comparitive to Code A" and now if he doesn't get an invite and no1 pays him to stay in the US, would you be mad that he chose to stay in his home country? Would you say how dare Losira not take it seriously?
AND how did I not take it seriously? I hate that comment, considering i played and treated it as seriously as possible.
So just to be clear, if you had qualified for up/downs and made it into Code S you would be going home anyways since you planned to be there one month?
On July 05 2011 14:56 jinixxx123 wrote: well i think its pretty stupid,and the reasons given for leaving are not great.
first of all you are on the grandest stage of them all, Its the GSL in korea, you have been given an opportunity of a lifetime to compete in code A, other players such as dongraego are sitting on the side line because of players like you, yet you throw it all away for what? , to pay rent? .. This is your fucking life goal man.. there's no way in hell fucking rent will ever hold me back. You speak about coming back to the gsl in the future, How do you plan on doing that? what makes you so sure you will get a code a spot , what makes you so sure gsl will keep giving code a spots to foreigners when they keep doing things like this. Your road to the gsl next time might be next to impossible for you to even qualify, and the best thing you can say is i was not prepared for this and i got rent to pay back home.
news flash, when you are given the opportunity of a lifetime, you take it. Now you might be full of regrets about 'what if" when your sc2 career is over.
may i ask what is your true goal in sc2? is it only to compete on foreign events like mlg all the time? , what if you dont win?, how will you get paid, Gsl was the only way man, you get a decent salary just for being in code s dude.
i was a fan, im no longer a fan, call me when you take this seriously.
But of course, there are a million other tournaments to play in outside of Korea, and they're not as competitive as the GSL -- NASL, IPL, FXOpen tournaments, etc, and that's just North America..
Funnily enough, if you look at the most recent results for those tournaments you mention, Koreans have been dominating them, because, well, they actually started competing in them. ^.^
There's a big difference between a tournament with four Koreans and one with 32 Koreans.
What are you talking about? The guy was saying you can make more money outside Korea by competing in online tournaments, and I pointed out that these online tournaments he talks about have been dominated by Koreans recently who have won them thus disproving that there is more money to be made by living in the US/outside Korea.
Sure, it's probably harder to play in them compared to playing in them from the US due to the latency, but it's not impossible to win at all.
On July 05 2011 14:56 jinixxx123 wrote: well i think its pretty stupid,and the reasons given for leaving are not great.
first of all you are on the grandest stage of them all, Its the GSL in korea, you have been given an opportunity of a lifetime to compete in code A, other players such as dongraego are sitting on the side line because of players like you, yet you throw it all away for what? , to pay rent? .. This is your fucking life goal man.. there's no way in hell fucking rent will ever hold me back. You speak about coming back to the gsl in the future, How do you plan on doing that? what makes you so sure you will get a code a spot , what makes you so sure gsl will keep giving code a spots to foreigners when they keep doing things like this. Your road to the gsl next time might be next to impossible for you to even qualify, and the best thing you can say is i was not prepared for this and i got rent to pay back home.
news flash, when you are given the opportunity of a lifetime, you take it. Now you might be full of regrets about 'what if" when your sc2 career is over.
may i ask what is your true goal in sc2? is it only to compete on foreign events like mlg all the time? , what if you dont win?, how will you get paid, Gsl was the only way man, you get a decent salary just for being in code s dude.
i was a fan, im no longer a fan, call me when you take this seriously.
It's interesting that you seemed to think that Sheth's life goal is pro-gaming. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. But you do have the right to support whoever you want - and if Sheth doesn't meet your expectations maybe it's a good thing that you stop being a fan.
Sound like pretty legit reasons to me. Definitely hope shawn goes back though. I think with some time on Korea ladder and pro practice partners he could make a nice GSL run
On July 05 2011 14:28 KMARTRULES wrote: I kinda feel like it was a dick move by sheth. He knocked out san of code A, who is such an inspiration, his GSL results helped his new team buy better equipment (You can see it in the artosis interview), and then he leaves.
I guess im just being a San fanboy but i can't help but feel sorry for him.
Anyway, I wish you luck sheth, and you better all kill sometime in the gstl!
I agree, dont even agree to participate if your not actually going to take it seriously, it just doesnt seem fair to gom and other players even on FXO, QXC has said he is going to stay in korea until september, so he should have been given the spot over someone like sheth who had no intention of staying beyond code a. Its really a shame as i think if gom knew that these were his intentions they would have invited someone like QXC instead =/
Do you hate Korean players who come to play temporarily in USA or Europe because the foreign tournament invited them? Let me give you an example, Losira took 2nd in the last MLG. He has enough points to be seeded and play in the "Group stages -- Comparitive to Code A" and now if he doesn't get an invite and no1 pays him to stay in the US, would you be mad that he chose to stay in his home country? Would you say how dare Losira not take it seriously?
The difference is that MLG's group stages are 83% invites 17% qualifications, while you were the only invite in Code A. If LosirA doesn't show up for MLG Anaheim, they just call up the next person on the invite list, so it's not as big of a deal.
That said I don't think you're to blame at all for taking the opportunity when it came or for choosing to prioritize your life in the USA, especially since you already had a clear plan in mind when you came in Korea. You just did what 90% of the people would have done in your place. I just don't think it was that great of a move from GomTV to make that one special exception from their system of hard work and commitment for a player that was only planning to spend one month in Korea. (Your invite wasn't a part of the GSL-MLG exchange program, right ?)
I think it would have been better for the GSL overall if your Code A spot had went to a player who was fully committed to going all the way through the tournament and giving his best to qualify for Code S. But I'm still happy that we got to see you play against the competition in Korea, and I hope that you're planning to go back there for more at some point in the future !
I think it would have been better for the GSL overall if your Code A spot had went to a player who was fully committed to going all the way through the tournament and giving his best to qualify for Code S. But I'm still happy that we got to see you play against the competition in Korea, and I hope that you're planning to go back there for more at some point in the future !
Exactly. I really want to know what you would have done had you qualified for Code S sheth, it is a little unfair of a question to be sure because either way you answer that question you come out looking bad. Either you would have thrown away a Code S opportunity which makes you look bad or you would have stayed only if you got Code S which makes your one month story look like baloney.
Do you hate Korean players who come to play temporarily in USA or Europe because the foreign tournament invited them? Let me give you an example, Losira took 2nd in the last MLG. He has enough points to be seeded and play in the "Group stages -- Comparitive to Code A" and now if he doesn't get an invite and no1 pays him to stay in the US, would you be mad that he chose to stay in his home country? Would you say how dare Losira not take it seriously?
AND how did I not take it seriously? I hate that comment, considering i played and treated it as seriously as possible.
So just to be clear, if you had qualified for up/downs and made it into Code S you would be going home anyways since you planned to be there one month?
If I had made Code S there was a possibility of me staying. This has gotten way more in depth then it really should have. I geuss you can either take it as you want to, you'll either appreciate the effort I put forth to even be here to play or you can be mad that I wasted the spot that you'd rather have seen went to someone else. However that call is GOM's and I'm really happy they at least wanted me to be able to play. <3 GSL
I will also say, its pretty low that even considering I'm taking the time to explain this, and I still have people saying basically "you're lieing!!!" or "why would you take someone else's code a spot". You know its NOT my decision. Its GOM's. If you have a problem with who they choose, why don't you complain to them.
I will also say, its pretty low that even considering I'm taking the time to explain this, and I still have people saying basically "you're lieing!!!" or "why would you take someone else's code a spot". You know its NOT my decision. Its GOM's. If you have a problem with who they choose, why don't you complain to them.
If you didn't even know 100% if you were going to stay (saying you might stay if you got Code S) how would GOM? Either way I enjoyed your games and I like you on stream, it just seems like you are very indecisive about what you actually want your goals as a player and person to be, and there is nothing wrong with that.
I will also say, its pretty low that even considering I'm taking the time to explain this, and I still have people saying basically "you're lieing!!!" or "why would you take someone else's code a spot". You know its NOT my decision. Its GOM's. If you have a problem with who they choose, why don't you complain to them.
If you didn't even know 100% if you were going to stay (saying you might stay if you got Code S) how would GOM? Either way I enjoyed your games and I like you on stream, it just seems like you are very indecisive about what you actually want your goals as a player and person to be, and there is nothing wrong with that.
Oh Duravi, you don't understand the situation. I shoudln't have to explain every single detail to you. What I said there was something along the lines of if I'd gotten code S I might have stayed, you took this as "you told gom you might stay omg!" However what I actually said HERE was if I made code S I might have changed my mind. I told Josh (My boss who applied for Code A for me) that I would only be staying for 1 month. My goals as a player and a person to be aren't indecisive. I just wasn't sure if I would have put forth a crazy effort to stay in code S if I'd made it. Who knows what would have happened, I don't know, I've never been code S.
Its amazing how you can take what I say and turn it into something like "Sheth lied to GSL or Sheth doesn't know what hes doing!" When in actuality this has all been planned out for me since before I went to Korea. My only "Fault" was in not telling the foreign community my entire intentions and plans at Korea before I went. But then again I shouldn't have to.
Really sad that Sheth won't be playing more, but not surprised. He has been clear from the start that he has no real intentions to stay in korea indefinitely. If he just breezed through code A I'm sure he might reconsider, but as is, his choice is quite understandable.
Its amazing how you can take what I say and turn it into something like "Sheth lied to GSL or Sheth doesn't know what hes doing!" When in actuality this has all been planned out for me since before I went to Korea. My only "Fault" was in not telling the foreign community my entire intentions and plans at Korea before I went. But then again I shouldn't have to.
Fair enough, apologies on the speculation. We have so few foreigners in korea I think I think I probably focus too much on it and was dissapointed to hear you wouldn't be back. Good luck on your return!
^ Seriously, everyone here raging against Sheth should really be raging against GOM. It seems like Sheth was totally upfront about what he wanted/expected, but GOM knew of his popularity within the foreign scene and wanted to showcase him to pull in more viewers.
I will also say, its pretty low that even considering I'm taking the time to explain this, and I still have people saying basically "you're lieing!!!" or "why would you take someone else's code a spot". You know its NOT my decision. Its GOM's. If you have a problem with who they choose, why don't you complain to them.
If you didn't even know 100% if you were going to stay (saying you might stay if you got Code S) how would GOM? Either way I enjoyed your games and I like you on stream, it just seems like you are very indecisive about what you actually want your goals as a player and person to be, and there is nothing wrong with that.
Oh Duravi, you don't understand the situation. I shoudln't have to explain every single detail to you. What I said there was something along the lines of if I'd gotten code S I might have stayed, you took this as "you told gom you might stay omg!" However what I actually said HERE was if I made code S I might have changed my mind. I told Josh (My boss who applied for Code A for me) that I would only be staying for 1 month. My goals as a player and a person to be aren't indecisive. I just wasn't sure if I would have put forth a crazy effort to stay in code S if I'd made it. Who knows what would have happened, I don't know, I've never been code S.
Its amazing how you can take what I say and turn it into something like "Sheth lied to GSL or Sheth doesn't know what hes doing!" When in actuality this has all been planned out for me since before I went to Korea. My only "Fault" was in not telling the foreign community my entire intentions and plans at Korea before I went. But then again I shouldn't have to.
Don't worry about it Sheth. There'll always be people who criticise without thinking. Your reasoning here seems perfectly fair to me, and I like to think the majority of TL would say the same.
I will also say, its pretty low that even considering I'm taking the time to explain this, and I still have people saying basically "you're lieing!!!" or "why would you take someone else's code a spot". You know its NOT my decision. Its GOM's. If you have a problem with who they choose, why don't you complain to them.
If you didn't even know 100% if you were going to stay (saying you might stay if you got Code S) how would GOM? Either way I enjoyed your games and I like you on stream, it just seems like you are very indecisive about what you actually want your goals as a player and person to be, and there is nothing wrong with that.
Oh Duravi, you don't understand the situation. I shoudln't have to explain every single detail to you. What I said there was something along the lines of if I'd gotten code S I might have stayed, you took this as "you told gom you might stay omg!" However what I actually said HERE was if I made code S I might have changed my mind. I told Josh (My boss who applied for Code A for me) that I would only be staying for 1 month. My goals as a player and a person to be aren't indecisive. I just wasn't sure if I would have put forth a crazy effort to stay in code S if I'd made it. Who knows what would have happened, I don't know, I've never been code S.
Its amazing how you can take what I say and turn it into something like "Sheth lied to GSL or Sheth doesn't know what hes doing!" When in actuality this has all been planned out for me since before I went to Korea. My only "Fault" was in not telling the foreign community my entire intentions and plans at Korea before I went. But then again I shouldn't have to.
With the situation laid out as it is, ultimately the choice to give code A to lies with the teammanager. If Josh knew all facts and details and he decided to apply you to code A its his responsibility. And i understand you talking to your fans, but talk and inform don't try to reason with them. And that includes me being a fan aswell We choose to follow your performance based upon your game skill and personality, we as a group are heavily uninformed of your life situation to even decide what is wrong and what is right. So we shut up and admire your play
I for one would just like to say thank you to you for making the effort to go over to Korea in the first place and showing us some amazing games. My housemates and I have had an awesome time cheering you on in Code A. So much emotion!
I'll certainly be watching your games in whatever tournament they happen to be in the future. Although I would love to see you back in Korea at some point down the line after the GSTL, as long as you keep playing SC2 I will be happy!
To the people in this thread - please learn to respect another's decisions. Especially when they have taken the time to explain them to you humbly, and honestly.
I will also say, its pretty low that even considering I'm taking the time to explain this, and I still have people saying basically "you're lieing!!!" or "why would you take someone else's code a spot". You know its NOT my decision. Its GOM's. If you have a problem with who they choose, why don't you complain to them.
If you didn't even know 100% if you were going to stay (saying you might stay if you got Code S) how would GOM? Either way I enjoyed your games and I like you on stream, it just seems like you are very indecisive about what you actually want your goals as a player and person to be, and there is nothing wrong with that.
Oh Duravi, you don't understand the situation. I shoudln't have to explain every single detail to you. What I said there was something along the lines of if I'd gotten code S I might have stayed, you took this as "you told gom you might stay omg!" However what I actually said HERE was if I made code S I might have changed my mind. I told Josh (My boss who applied for Code A for me) that I would only be staying for 1 month. My goals as a player and a person to be aren't indecisive. I just wasn't sure if I would have put forth a crazy effort to stay in code S if I'd made it. Who knows what would have happened, I don't know, I've never been code S.
Its amazing how you can take what I say and turn it into something like "Sheth lied to GSL or Sheth doesn't know what hes doing!" When in actuality this has all been planned out for me since before I went to Korea. My only "Fault" was in not telling the foreign community my entire intentions and plans at Korea before I went. But then again I shouldn't have to.
Dood, you're worrying about people on forums nitpicking and giving their opinions on what you should do from their couch. Not worth it tbh.
You did a good job, you gained experience, and hopefully next time you'll be even more prepared. Kudos yo.
Dood, you're worrying about people on forums nitpicking and giving their opinions on what you should do from their couch. Not worth it tbh.
Yes I agreed even though I was the one who made a critical post, he was right and I was just speculating/nitpicking about stuff I didn't know, sorry! (and props to sheth for answering anyways)
Dood, you're worrying about people on forums nitpicking and giving their opinions on what you should do from their couch. Not worth it tbh.
Yes I agreed even though I was the one who made a critical post, he was right and I was just speculating/nitpicking about stuff I didn't know, sorry! (and props to sheth for answering anyways)
Thats a surprisingly welcome and unexpected post. TL-members will keep on surpising me.. Very nice Duravi.
please give sheth a break. He is one of very few foreigners who accepted the challenge that playing SC2 in korea is. Of course I want to see him staying/playing there longer, but if he has other plans right now, than thats how it is.
Instead of letting your negative emotions out, you should thank players like sheth for their effort and encourage him as well as other foreigners, who might read this thread, to take part in the GSL (again). fxo/huk/jinro fighting!
It occurs to me that having Sheth join the GSL was a gamble for a lot of people. For all we know, GSL is glad Sheth didn't make it into Code S... it's likely there was some undisclosed politicing involved in this whole process, both from GSL and FXO. In the end, everyone got what they wanted, and we (the fans) got some excellent games out of the deal.
Making a living as a Pro-SC2 player isn't easy, and sometimes you're only given bad choices. Sheth earned a couple of good choices, and had to pick one that met his long-term goals. Please stop criticizing him for looking longer term than one season in Korea.
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On July 05 2011 14:56 jinixxx123 wrote: well i think its pretty stupid,and the reasons given for leaving are not great.
first of all you are on the grandest stage of them all, Its the GSL in korea, you have been given an opportunity of a lifetime to compete in code A, other players such as dongraego are sitting on the side line because of players like you, yet you throw it all away for what? , to pay rent? .. This is your fucking life goal man.. there's no way in hell fucking rent will ever hold me back. You speak about coming back to the gsl in the future, How do you plan on doing that? what makes you so sure you will get a code a spot , what makes you so sure gsl will keep giving code a spots to foreigners when they keep doing things like this. Your road to the gsl next time might be next to impossible for you to even qualify, and the best thing you can say is i was not prepared for this and i got rent to pay back home.
news flash, when you are given the opportunity of a lifetime, you take it. Now you might be full of regrets about 'what if" when your sc2 career is over.
may i ask what is your true goal in sc2? is it only to compete on foreign events like mlg all the time? , what if you dont win?, how will you get paid, Gsl was the only way man, you get a decent salary just for being in code s dude.
i was a fan, im no longer a fan, call me when you take this seriously.
But of course, there are a million other tournaments to play in outside of Korea, and they're not as competitive as the GSL -- NASL, IPL, FXOpen tournaments, etc, and that's just North America..
Funnily enough, if you look at the most recent results for those tournaments you mention, Koreans have been dominating them, because, well, they actually started competing in them. ^.^
There's a big difference between a tournament with four Koreans and one with 32 Koreans.
What are you talking about? The guy was saying you can make more money outside Korea by competing in online tournaments, and I pointed out that these online tournaments he talks about have been dominated by Koreans recently who have won them thus disproving that there is more money to be made by living in the US/outside Korea.
Sure, it's probably harder to play in them compared to playing in them from the US due to the latency, but it's not impossible to win at all.
Very few pros (next to none) rely on tournament winnings to make money. Most do it through a team salary or streaming or both.
On July 05 2011 14:28 KMARTRULES wrote: I kinda feel like it was a dick move by sheth. He knocked out san of code A, who is such an inspiration, his GSL results helped his new team buy better equipment (You can see it in the artosis interview), and then he leaves.
I guess im just being a San fanboy but i can't help but feel sorry for him.
Anyway, I wish you luck sheth, and you better all kill sometime in the gstl!
I agree, dont even agree to participate if your not actually going to take it seriously, it just doesnt seem fair to gom and other players even on FXO, QXC has said he is going to stay in korea until september, so he should have been given the spot over someone like sheth who had no intention of staying beyond code a. Its really a shame as i think if gom knew that these were his intentions they would have invited someone like QXC instead =/
Do you hate Korean players who come to play temporarily in USA or Europe because the foreign tournament invited them? Let me give you an example, Losira took 2nd in the last MLG. He has enough points to be seeded and play in the "Group stages -- Comparitive to Code A" and now if he doesn't get an invite and no1 pays him to stay in the US, would you be mad that he chose to stay in his home country? Would you say how dare Losira not take it seriously?
AND how did I not take it seriously? I hate that comment, considering i played and treated it as seriously as possible.
I agree you played very well it wasnt the part you played that you didnt take seriously i was cheering for you the whole way man, yelling jumping up and screaming as you decimated san Im just as big of a sheth fan as the next guy. I am just a little dissapointed that you werent planning on going all the way with it i guess. Im not saying get into code s and stay in korea for half a year, thats a huge commitment but at least TRY in the wildcard tournament and see what happens. By not taking it seriously, i by no means meant your games you played great i meant the fact that it seems like you just gave up and didnt want the second chance it seems that you werent planning on trying to take a serious run at the GSL considering even if you made it into code s you dont know if you would have stayed, i would call that not taking it seriously especially in comparison to other GSL players. (I dont think there is a single other foreigner whos competed in the gsl before that would have declined the wild card tournament) For every other foreigner competing their goal was Code S it seems as if yours was lets just see how i do in code a and then go home regardless (again you werent really clear about weather you would have stayed if you made it into code s or not but it seems you were leaning more towards going home either way)
You said there was a possibility of you staying if you made it into code s. Why not try out for the wildcard tournament then. It seems like you were just like " ah fuck it" from an outsiders point of view especially a fans its very easy to see how we would be dissapointed , you were planning on competing in code a to try and get a spot in code s and maybe compete for a month (or at least you said there is a possibility that would have happened) then yoou get knocked out 1 round before qualifying for the up and down matches and they give you a second chance with the wildcard tournament and you pass it up. I just dont get what has changed in the past few days like obviously if you made it to the round of 8 you would have played in the up and downs for a shot at code s. Clearly your fans are going to be dissapointed when it seems your attitude is "meh w/e i wanna go home" to getting a second chance at the most competitive tournament in the world (with the largest prize pool) Many other players would have JUMPED at that chance , do you think naniwa or thorzain would have declined had they been given a second chance at code s? I highly doubt it and your fans expect nothing less out of you.
I respect your decisions but i just dont see why your surprised that you have dissapointed fans out there.
Also regarding the losira thing, thats a terrible terrible comparison and i can bet you if MLG was somehow a similair format to GSL (wich it isnt and the prize pool is also ridiculously smaller , gsl gives out twice as much money to their round of 32 code s players then MLG does in their whole tournament) and they said , "hey losira you want to stick around for another week to see if you can make it into a tournament to win 50k next month? oh and we will give you a place to stay for free" your telling me you dont think him or any other proffesional korean gamer wouldnt jump at the chance? Especially considering they wouldnt be missing any other tournaments (at least big ones) by doing so? I dunno man i think thats a stretch like MR. Chae has said if the roles were reversed and GSL was in say LA you can bet your buttons you would see players like Nestea and Losira travelling their to follow their dreams and their passions. I think your understating the dedication of some of these korean players. And going back to MLG for a chance to win 5k with nothing payed for isnt really a sound decision. In korea you guys have the gom house to stay at indefinitely and your team is supporting you out there seems like you got it pretty good man.
Also i know you have to go to the NASL finals next week so maybe that played into your decisions im surprised you didnt mention it as one of your reasons though because i think alot more people would have understood if you just said that, im just realising it now in fact.
FXO still has more games after the NASL finals though so i assume you are travelling back to korea afterwards?
I really hope you go back and give it another shot, but will you ever even get an opportunity like this again? Especially with a second chance, i doubt it.
I am very confused at the angle people are choosing to take here. If you've ever recieved a promotion that calls you away from your home and family, or if you've ever been told you can't study "that" course in your home state, you will know what Sheth had to weigh up here.
Without the preperation that Sheth mentioned earlier, its pretty hard to put your life on indefinate hold, while you "wait and see" if you get Code S or not. Particularly when eSports in NA is simply exploding.
Speaking financially, why any foreigner would want to be in Korea now without being a PRIME (top 8 in the world) player is beyond me. So much expense, time, and risk, for such little reward.
Let Sheth make the decision. He doesn't diserve any bullshit backlash from any of you. He hasn't made you any promises, and you don't have a right to expect anything from him. Same bullcrap shitstorm happened when IdrA left Korea. I don' t know why you think you have the right to tell these people, who feed in a lot of their time, effort, and money, what to do/where to go.
On July 06 2011 17:48 BrahCJ wrote: I am very confused at the angle people are choosing to take here. If you've ever recieved a promotion that calls you away from your home and family, or if you've ever been told you can't study "that" course in your home state, you will know what Sheth had to weigh up here.
Without the preperation that Sheth mentioned earlier, its pretty hard to put your life on indefinate hold, while you "wait and see" if you get Code S or not. Particularly when eSports in NA is simply exploding.
Speaking financially, why any foreigner would want to be in Korea now without being a PRIME (top 8 in the world) player is beyond me. So much expense, time, and risk, for such little reward.
Let Sheth make the decision. He doesn't diserve any bullshit backlash from any of you. He hasn't made you any promises, and you don't have a right to expect anything from him. Same bullcrap shitstorm happened when IdrA left Korea. I don' t know why you think you have the right to tell these people, who feed in a lot of their time, effort, and money, what to do/where to go.
Actually people were excited about IdrA coming back to the US and many embraced it. In this case I think the people causing the shitstorm are actually Sheth's fans, since they want to see him make it big, and winning GSL is exactly that. For regular people like me, I don't really care whether he stays or withdraws, he won't be winning it anyway.
On July 06 2011 17:48 BrahCJ wrote: I am very confused at the angle people are choosing to take here. If you've ever recieved a promotion that calls you away from your home and family, or if you've ever been told you can't study "that" course in your home state, you will know what Sheth had to weigh up here.
Without the preperation that Sheth mentioned earlier, its pretty hard to put your life on indefinate hold, while you "wait and see" if you get Code S or not. Particularly when eSports in NA is simply exploding.
Speaking financially, why any foreigner would want to be in Korea now without being a PRIME (top 8 in the world) player is beyond me. So much expense, time, and risk, for such little reward.
Let Sheth make the decision. He doesn't diserve any bullshit backlash from any of you. He hasn't made you any promises, and you don't have a right to expect anything from him. Same bullcrap shitstorm happened when IdrA left Korea. I don' t know why you think you have the right to tell these people, who feed in a lot of their time, effort, and money, what to do/where to go.
Actually people were excited about IdrA coming back to the US and many embraced it. In this case I think the people causing the shitstorm are actually Sheth's fans, since they want to see him make it big, and winning GSL is exactly that. For regular people like me, I don't really care whether he stays or withdraws, he won't be winning it anyway.
I agree, I think people were just under the assumption that he was planning on taking a shot at code s and were surprised when he passed up an opportunity at a second chance (considering how many players would die to have a chance at that) obviously its his choice but i think if it was more clear that he would have been going home either way then there wouldnt have been surprised fans out there.
I think alot of people just expected he would be going into it with the same dedicatioin as naniwa or thorzain or any other foreigner who has or will be participating in code a seem to have (they both are going there to try and get into code s, not to just participate in code a and leave) its an easy assumption to make considering the attitudes of pretty much everyone else has towards code a which is that it is a means to get into code s and participate in the most competitive sc2 tournament on the planet.
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well at least Ryung can have a gunning shot at code s!
