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mod edit: it's based on points please stop the conspiracy theory crap
SC2 MLG groups for Anaheim are out!
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Hi everyone, MLG does it's groups by points, they've outlined how they do groups months ago before any of the events. There's no conspiracy. EG and Liquid have lots of players in the MLG Top X. Teamkills are inevitable. | ||
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Shalaiyn
Netherlands2735 Posts
Source mod edit: it's based on points please stop the conspiracy theory crap | ||
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NeWeNiyaLord
Norway2474 Posts
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xGrief
United States56 Posts
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NexUmbra
Scotland3776 Posts
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Shalaiyn
Netherlands2735 Posts
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SpecFire
United States1681 Posts
Idra got a decent group. (dont wanna say easy) GSL member will win Pool C. I hope Machine does well in Pool D. Probably dominated by Korean again. I really, really hope Boxer and MMA can get GSL Code A/S spots  | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
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Gabb
United States63 Posts
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Shalaiyn
Netherlands2735 Posts
On July 02 2011 07:09 SpecFire wrote: ....HuK got screwed again. If HuK can win vs Naniwa, he can beat TLO and Haypro for sure. Idra got a decent group. (dont wanna say easy) GSL member will win Pool C. I hope Machine does well in Pool D. Probably dominated by Korean again. I really, really hope Boxer and MMA can get GSL Code A/S spots Koreans don't get the Code A spots. | ||
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Testen
United States2 Posts
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Fadetowhite
Korea (South)302 Posts
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QTIP.
United States2113 Posts
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-swordguy
United States560 Posts
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Oh.Canada
Canada139 Posts
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
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nekuodah
England2409 Posts
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ThePhan2m
Norway2750 Posts
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RESTRiCT
Canada123 Posts
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Midgetman101
United States825 Posts
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
On July 02 2011 07:12 RESTRiCT wrote: Did i miss something? Is HuK not Liquid anymore? No that was just his original mlg name he signed up with before he joined liquid I think. It's just still in the database that way. | ||
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Shalaiyn
Netherlands2735 Posts
On July 02 2011 07:12 RESTRiCT wrote: Did i miss something? Is HuK not Liquid anymore? It's the names they registered on MLG with. IdrA isn't called IdrA1, ROOT doesn't exist, etc. | ||
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MrMotionPicture
United States4327 Posts
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Primadog
United States4411 Posts
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RESTRiCT
Canada123 Posts
On July 02 2011 07:13 Shalaiyn wrote: It's the names they registered on MLG with. IdrA isn't called IdrA1, ROOT doesn't exist, etc. Oh hahah phew, i was worried for a moment  Thanks  | ||
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whatwhatanut
United States195 Posts
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Shalaiyn
Netherlands2735 Posts
On July 02 2011 07:14 MrMotionPicture wrote: I hope Boxer gets placed in Idra's group, lol That'd be pure gold lol | ||
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Elite__
Canada976 Posts
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-swordguy
United States560 Posts
On July 02 2011 07:14 MrMotionPicture wrote: I hope Boxer gets placed in Idra's group, lol I would start laughing if MC went to Anaheim and got into Idra's group. They keep getting rematches in various tournaments. | ||
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
Socke said he types his name like that so people pronounce his name correctly. | ||
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chesshaha
United States1117 Posts
Anyways, looks sick. Every group is really stacked, hard to pick the seedings. | ||
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kjetulf
Norway62 Posts
I suggest moving Ret to Group A, so we still have this lovely team kill-status quo. | ||
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Aurdon
United States2007 Posts
He's being sent back to Anaheim. Will the top 16 change? | ||
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EscapingJail
United States212 Posts
On July 02 2011 07:10 Testen wrote: Wait a second, Machine is not facing iNcontroL in group stages? What is this nonsense. He has Idra now though lol. | ||
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Socke
Germany451 Posts
On July 02 2011 07:16 Canucklehead wrote: Socke said he types his name like that so people pronounce his name correctly. not true just use it when Socke is taken (like everywhere) | ||
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Shalaiyn
Netherlands2735 Posts
On July 02 2011 07:17 Aurdon wrote: Does MMA not get to use the placement points he earned? He's being sent back to Anaheim. Will the top 16 change? Apparently not going by the news. Probably not enough Korean interest. | ||
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dapanman
United States316 Posts
Edit: 1 Dignitasnani 1200 650 1850 Looks like MMA, Losira, MC, Moon and Thorzain weren't seeded into the top 16. Inviting MMA again seems pretty dumb considering he was already third seed. MLG is paying him to fly over again but wont give him his seed? I hope we get some clarification from MLG so this sounds a little less stupid. | ||
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Adreme
United States5574 Posts
On July 02 2011 07:17 Aurdon wrote: Does MMA not get to use the placement points he earned? He's being sent back to Anaheim. Will the top 16 change? He doenst need to use them because he is getting put in pool play anyway thru the exchange program. | ||
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Olinim
4044 Posts
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
Can see MMA being dropped into this group too heh. | ||
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dre2k
Netherlands215 Posts
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Daralii
United States16991 Posts
As far as I know they can get Code A spots, but not Code S spots. | ||
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KiLL_ORdeR
United States1518 Posts
EDIT: Actually Pool D looks like group of death. Anyone can take that group depending on who brings their top game that day. | ||
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Shalaiyn
Netherlands2735 Posts
On July 02 2011 07:19 Daralii wrote: As far as I know they can get Code A spots, but not Code S spots. Other way around. | ||
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jjhchsc2
Korea (South)2393 Posts
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Syben
United States512 Posts
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zaii
Guam2611 Posts
On July 02 2011 07:18 Socke wrote: not true just use it when Socke is taken (like everywhere) GL at Anaheim sir, You are going right? | ||
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ampson
United States2355 Posts
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MrDudeMan
Canada973 Posts
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ELA
Denmark4608 Posts
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Bobster
Germany3075 Posts
On July 02 2011 07:12 ThePhan2m wrote: How are these players picked? By the MLG point ranking. A B C D 1 2 3 4 8 7 6 5 9 10 11 12 16 15 14 13 I wonder if this is confirmation that Losira and MC won't be attending...? | ||
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hYdeOut
Australia25 Posts
On July 02 2011 07:19 dre2k wrote: IdrA by armbar I would pay money to see IdrA attempt to armbar iNcontrol. Interesting groups. Would be awesome if TLO could make it! | ||
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Adreme
United States5574 Posts
On July 02 2011 07:19 Daralii wrote: As far as I know they can get Code A spots, but not Code S spots. No its the opposite. They can get code S spot but not code A spots. | ||
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Aurdon
United States2007 Posts
On July 02 2011 07:18 Adreme wrote: He doenst need to use them because he is getting put in pool play anyway thru the exchange program. He's in pool play, but the pools are determined by seeding. So he should be separated away from the other top players into other seeds so they don't have to face each other in pool play. If MMA gets placed into a groop with Nani, Idra, or Slush, that means two of the top four by rank points would be in same group. Doesn't seem fair. | ||
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
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Boraz
United States361 Posts
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zaii
Guam2611 Posts
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Sithril
Slovakia169 Posts
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
On July 02 2011 07:10 Testen wrote: Wait a second, Machine is not facing iNcontroL in group stages? What is this nonsense. Yeah , same though. Who are you and where did you hide the real MLG groups ?! | ||
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Olinim
4044 Posts
On July 02 2011 07:22 Sithril wrote: Does anyone know why mouz.ThorZaIN declined his invite? He said he didn't like how it was run, and he wasn't treated well basically. | ||
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
On July 02 2011 07:22 Sithril wrote: Does anyone know why mouz.ThorZaIN declined his invite? He said multiple times he disliked how the tournament was run (very few breaks between matches, unsure when your next match will be so you can't really leave the venue) given how small the prize pool is. I'm sure he'll come back for like, Providence for the 50,000 but for the circuit events, will be doubtful | ||
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
On July 02 2011 07:18 Socke wrote: not true just use it when Socke is taken (like everywhere) Weird could have sworn you said you did it for pronunciation when you were on SOTG. Guess I remembered wrong. | ||
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Aurdon
United States2007 Posts
On July 02 2011 07:23 Olinim wrote: He said he didn't like how it was run, and he wasn't treated well basically. Any source on this? I'm curious to know what he specifically didn't like. | ||
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noobcakes
United States526 Posts
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Bobster
Germany3075 Posts
On July 02 2011 07:14 Primadog wrote: The only player that forfeited his position is Thorzain. Strange that he would give up his spot. Does it conflict with when he heads to Korea? He didn't like playing at Columbus. He's heading to Korea same time as Naniwa, so if Nani can come, Thorzain could as well. On July 02 2011 07:17 Aurdon wrote: Does MMA not get to use the placement points he earned? He's being sent back to Anaheim. Will the top 16 change? He'll take up a GSL spot so his trip is paid for instead of SlayerS having to front the money. On July 02 2011 07:16 Elite__ wrote: 3 liquid in one group T_T teamkilling ftl TLO is still injured, no? Tyler is next in line to move up, though. :p | ||
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Carush
United States356 Posts
On July 02 2011 07:21 ELA wrote: Holy fuck, this has got to be the worst group for a western pro team ever 3 Liquid guys in one group.. What a joke!!!! groups are determined by a point system it just happened to end up that way, not mlgs fault.... | ||
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Sc1pio
United States823 Posts
On July 02 2011 07:24 Aurdon wrote: Any source on this? I'm curious to know what he specifically didn't like. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=202948¤tpage=71#1413 | ||
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Gezuz
Sweden306 Posts
On July 02 2011 07:24 Aurdon wrote: Any source on this? I'm curious to know what he specifically didn't like. He posted it right here on TL on his fanclub page i think and he said he would return to MLG if he was seeded in to the championship pool. And im not sure if HuK has more seed points or thorzain declined his invite like some people said. | ||
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Bobster
Germany3075 Posts
On July 02 2011 07:24 Aurdon wrote: Any source on this? I'm curious to know what he specifically didn't like. Here. | ||
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ProxyKnoxy
United Kingdom2576 Posts
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ELA
Denmark4608 Posts
On July 02 2011 07:26 Carush wrote: groups are determined by a point system it just happened to end up that way, not mlgs fault.... I didn't blame MLG, I just think its a damned shame!! - However, TLO won't be ready probably, so it's not _that_ bad really | ||
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Tsuki.eu
Portugal1049 Posts
needs more terrans also>: | ||
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Sermokala
United States14098 Posts
On July 02 2011 07:18 dapanman wrote: Do the Koreans not get rank points to be seeded back into the bracket or did they all just decline? Edit: 1 Dignitasnani 1200 650 1850 Looks like MMA, Losira, MC, Moon and Thorzain weren't seeded into the top 16. Inviting MMA again seems pretty dumb considering he was already third seed. MLG is paying him to fly over again but wont give him his seed? I hope we get some clarification from MLG so this sounds a little less stupid. The koreans didn't attend MLG as actual players they where invited into the event and don't get seed points at all. The top korean gets re invited to the next event thats why MMA is returning Boxer is the second invite and we don't know on the other 2. | ||
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Sithril
Slovakia169 Posts
On July 02 2011 07:27 Gezuz wrote: He posted it right here on TL on his fanclub page i think and he said he would return to MLG if he was seeded in to the championship pool. And im not sure if HuK has more seed points or thorzain declined his invite like some people said. He is 1 spot above HuK in points, so he must've declined. Sad that he did :-/ | ||
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zaii
Guam2611 Posts
On July 02 2011 07:24 Zlasher wrote: He said multiple times he disliked how the tournament was run (very few breaks between matches, unsure when your next match will be so you can't really leave the venue) given how small the prize pool is. I'm sure he'll come back for like, Providence for the 50,000 but for the circuit events, will be doubtful They need to fix the nationals and not make it an open tournament. | ||
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TheDougler
Canada8306 Posts
That sucks. Edit: I shoulda read above... damn. Still, certainly excited for this... Group A Fighting!!! (Especially Huk... and TLO... and oh god I just don't know who to cheer for here, this is a catastrophe! I hope they all make top 4 lol). | ||
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Imerej
Canada291 Posts
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Bobster
Germany3075 Posts
On July 02 2011 07:24 Canucklehead wrote: Weird could have sworn you said you did it for pronunciation when you were on SOTG. Guess I remembered wrong. Sockeh isn't even pronounced like Socke. :/ The e at the end is unstressed [ə] called schwa - different from the pronunciation of Sockeh, which has a stressed [e] at the end. | ||
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dapanman
United States316 Posts
On July 02 2011 07:28 sermokala wrote: The koreans didn't attend MLG as actual players they where invited into the event and don't get seed points at all. The top korean gets re invited to the next event thats why MMA is returning Boxer is the second invite and we don't know on the other 2. Please provide a source on that. I find it hard to believe they don't get seed points, because they get seed points. | ||
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xBlest
United States52 Posts
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Bobster
Germany3075 Posts
On July 02 2011 07:28 sermokala wrote: Do you have an MLG source for that?The koreans didn't attend MLG as actual players they where invited into the event and don't get seed points at all. The top korean gets re invited to the next event thats why MMA is returning Boxer is the second invite and we don't know on the other 2. MLG's own site shows their ranking points. Looks like Losira and MC declining their invitation to me. I like MLG so I won't even entertain the thought of them posting the lineup without asking the Korean returners first. | ||
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ptbl
United States6074 Posts
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oDieN[Siege]
United States2905 Posts
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JiYan
United States3668 Posts
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
MLG sure does like to have team kills | ||
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BryanSC
United States455 Posts
On July 02 2011 07:33 ODieN wrote: I heart Group A. Group D also seems stacked. Group D is not stacked. Machine has barely done anything in any tournament, Kiwikaki/Select had poor performances last MLG and maybe might turn it around, and Moonan... All groups, in terms of skill level of players, is pretty evenly distributed. Just waiting to see which Koreans get invited/placed in groups. | ||
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zaii
Guam2611 Posts
On July 02 2011 07:34 Drazerk wrote: Group A MLG sure does like to have team kills Again not MLG's fault that Liquid managed to place where they are during the last event to make this group for Anaheim. | ||
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Provocateur
Sweden1665 Posts
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Bobster
Germany3075 Posts
On July 02 2011 07:34 Drazerk wrote: Group A MLG sure does like to have team kills It's all numbers, nothing MLG can do. | ||
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motumbo
United States130 Posts
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Bambipwnsu
Canada698 Posts
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Milkis
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
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Liudo
United Kingdom344 Posts
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ptbl
United States6074 Posts
On July 02 2011 07:28 sermokala wrote: The koreans didn't attend MLG as actual players they where invited into the event and don't get seed points at all. The top korean gets re invited to the next event thats why MMA is returning Boxer is the second invite and we don't know on the other 2. This is incorrect. Lee from MLG has stated that Koreans who were previously invited get seed points. If a GSL pro who has rank points comes on their own (not part of the LXP), then they would seed according to their MLG rank points. MLG and GSL are only covering travel and accommodations for the players in the LXP for that event. Subsequent events (if a player is not invited) are on their own costs. So the team would have to cover it if they aren't invited again. We hope to have a large variety of players in the exchange program to give the most number of players the experience. It is truly an EXCHANGE program, so the point is to give the broadest number of players the chance to experience competition overseas. That said, you have to earn your spot :D Hope that clears it up some! Original message can be found here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=222580¤tpage=21#415 | ||
Adebisi
Canada1637 Posts
On July 02 2011 07:37 Milkis wrote: If LosirA and MC decides to come to MLG without the invite, the pools might change though, apparently :O There's a chance they might still come?!?!1 /me crosses fingers. Though HuK might be ticked haha . | ||
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
On July 02 2011 07:37 Milkis wrote: If LosirA and MC decides to come to MLG without the invite, the pools might change though, apparently :O Haha if MC decides to come, doesn't that mean he'll knock huk out of pool play since huk is the lowest ranked person there? Though Huk got in cause thorzain declined. | ||
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dapanman
United States316 Posts
On July 02 2011 07:37 Milkis wrote: If LosirA and MC decides to come to MLG without the invite, the pools might change though, apparently :O Good to know, still don't know why MMA isn't third, or why he was invited at all. Would rather have some new blood and have MMA fly over on his own if he wants his third place seed. | ||
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Incanus
Canada695 Posts
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SafeAsCheese
United States4924 Posts
IdrA + MC + Losira + Moonan + Korean LOOOOOOL. | ||
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striderxxx
Canada443 Posts
edit - i looked it up myself, and yes this is correct. talk about teamkill! http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/rosters-and-pool-lineups-for-mlg-anaheim | ||
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Termit
Sweden3466 Posts
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Bobster
Germany3075 Posts
1) Incontrol and Machine are not in the same group. 2) No Gretorp. Here's hoping MLG corrects this ASAP. | ||
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Olinim
4044 Posts
On July 02 2011 07:39 Adebisi wrote: There's a chance they might still come?!?!1 /me crosses fingers. Though HuK might be ticked haha .Sweet vengeance for MC? :D | ||
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Milkis
5003 Posts
On July 02 2011 07:39 Adebisi wrote: There's a chance they might still come?!?!1 /me crosses fingers. Though HuK might be ticked haha .That I don't know -- but the current pools doesn't really accommodate them and apparently if they do come they'll get seeded into pool play apparently. | ||
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Quintum_
United States669 Posts
Hopefully MMA can pull off another win so that he can get a Code S spot. Also want to see idra go far, maybe he can take down some koreans this time xp. | ||
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modesttoss
United States221 Posts
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Ncage
United States91 Posts
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ProxyKnoxy
United Kingdom2576 Posts
-Thorzain would have beat MC the second time -He would have been in Pool play this event -He would come to this event | ||
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trancey
United States430 Posts
On July 02 2011 07:32 ptbl wrote: Losira and MC declined to go to MLG Anaheim? They would have been seeded into chapionship pool play, which would have been very good for them. I'm very surprised that MC decided not to go. He's been going to a lot of international tournaments. No they're still in GSL, in the case that they're in the GSL semi finals / finals, they might decline on coming to MLG to focus on practicing depending on who GOM elects to send to MLG. Unless you're a special case like MMA in which SlayerS opt'd to use their invite on him. It's all on preference on who's available and which players GOM/MLG chooses to invite. | ||
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TheSilverfox
Sweden1928 Posts
On July 02 2011 07:37 Milkis wrote: If LosirA and MC decides to come to MLG without the invite, the pools might change though, apparently :O That seems kind of weird. So MLG makes a official news about this and also a video about the groups, but they can be changed afterwards? | ||
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ptbl
United States6074 Posts
On July 02 2011 07:37 Milkis wrote: If LosirA and MC decides to come to MLG without the invite, the pools might change though, apparently :O That would be awesome if MC and Losira decide to come. You should definitely let them know that we want them to come to Anaheim. Plus, they would get seeded into championship play, so they wouldn't need to go through the open bracket. | ||
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Olinim
4044 Posts
On July 02 2011 07:41 ProxyKnoxy wrote: If MLG didn't have the extended series rule everything would be really different :O -Thorzain would have beat MC the second time -He would have been in Pool play this event -He would come to this event You don't know that. Being ahead 2 games drastically changes your mindset. For god sakes MC went phoenixes in one of the games that like an auto loss to some BO's. | ||
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Liudo
United Kingdom344 Posts
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Aegeis
United States1619 Posts
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trancey
United States430 Posts
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1oo
Portugal876 Posts
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Sermokala
United States14098 Posts
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ptbl
United States6074 Posts
On July 02 2011 07:43 trancey wrote: the GSL group invites are dependent on who GSL sends to MLG. Not who previously attended, Roughly obviously two of those spots belong to Boxer and MMA. This wouldn't stop MC and Losira attending on their own. They would have to pay for the travel and lodging expenses, but they would still be placed into championship pool play based upon seeded points. | ||
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Milkis
5003 Posts
Apparently if LosirA/MC comes they'd play in the open. Weird. | ||
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ronpaul012
United States769 Posts
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ptbl
United States6074 Posts
On July 02 2011 07:44 sermokala wrote: that link is to a rank page says nothing about seeding. if you look at http://wordpress.tools.majorleaguegaming.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/sc2.jpg which is sited when they explain how they came up with the pools you can clearly see that the GSL seeds are all the last 4 and are nameless. and as for the souce of where I got the whole Koreans not playing in mlg as players but "invites" http://pro.majorleaguegaming.com/news/official-press-release-gomtv-global-starcraft-2-league-and-mlg-announce-first-ever-player-exchange-program you can see there that the Invited players are then judged by their GSL rank and never a mention of a future events mlg rank. So we are basically left to wonder if A. The Koreans simply didn't want to re attend an MLG which is wildly unlikely from their comments at the last mlg or B. That they simply can't attend due to them not being invited. I Relive the former is the case. This has already been answered by Lee from MLG. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=222580¤tpage=21#415. If MC and Losira decide to come on their own, they will be seeded into championship pool play. | ||
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Aurdon
United States2007 Posts
On July 02 2011 07:37 Milkis wrote: If LosirA and MC decides to come to MLG without the invite, the pools might change though, apparently :O Is there not some rich fan or sponsor of eSports that wouldn't want to do a single person sponsorship for MC to get a plane ticket to the states? Stride, are you listening? How many fans would go apeshit if some way MC was able to come and then all the fans found out it was possible because of X sponsorship. You realize how many mentions that would get for that sponsor. #ROI | ||
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ptbl
United States6074 Posts
On July 02 2011 07:45 Milkis wrote: Hrmmm, so clarification. Apparently if LosirA/MC comes they'd play in the open. Weird. What??!! Did MLG decide to change their rule? It's been understood and even relayed to us by MLG that the previous korean players get seeded points. For example here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=222580¤tpage=21#415 | ||
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CheM
Canada100 Posts
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Sermokala
United States14098 Posts
On July 02 2011 07:47 ptbl wrote: What??!! Did MLG decide to change their rule? It's been understood and even relayed to us by MLG that the previous korean players get seeded points. For example here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=222580¤tpage=21#415 They already made the pools so they can't be seeded in anymore. As in its locked in now. | ||
Liquid`HayprO
Iraq1230 Posts
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alexhard
Sweden317 Posts
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Pudge_172
United States1378 Posts
MMA obviously has been invited and will get the free trip to Anaheim and we know Boxer has been invited and gets a free trip. I think it would be a bad precedent to invite Losira or Moon or MC and as no Korean who was seeded would ever pay their own way over. They would just decline the seed and hope for an invite. I have no problem with MMA getting the free trip as he is the defending champion and it looks bad to not have the defending champion attend. | ||
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lunchforthesky
United Kingdom967 Posts
On July 02 2011 07:41 ProxyKnoxy wrote: If MLG didn't have the extended series rule everything would be really different :O -Thorzain would have beat MC the second time -He would have been in Pool play this event -He would come to this event MC would not have played the same way at all if it wasn't extened series. He showed at Homestory that he can beat Thorzain comfortably. | ||
MLG_Lee
279 Posts
Also, placement in pools is determined PURELY by rank point earnings by players. Others have linked the way it works here, so I wont' repeat. So if MC, Losira, Thorzain decide to come now, they'd be playing through open. We likely will not be inviting MC or Losira to Anaheim as the intent of the LXP is to invite many different players. We felt that if an LXP player won and event, they should always be re-invited back to defend their title. So MMA is the exception to that intent. Thorzain had a top16 spot but declined it because (as I understand it) he really wants to focus on doing well in GSL, and the travel back and forth would be harsh. Upside is that HuK got his spot, so he'll be starting in Championship Pool. Downside... Huk ends up in pool A with the rest of TL | ||
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ptbl
United States6074 Posts
On July 02 2011 07:49 Pudge_172 wrote: MMA, Losira, Moon, MC and Thorzain all turned down their seed into pool play and won't be paying their own way to Anaheim. MMA obviously has been invited and will get the free trip to Anaheim and we know Boxer has been invited and gets a free trip. I think it would be a bad precedent to invite Losira or Moon or MC and as no Korean who was seeded would ever pay their own way over. They would just decline the seed and hope for an invite. I have no problem with MMA getting the free trip as he is the defending champion and it looks bad to not have the defending champion attend. That sucks that MC and Losira turned down their seed. Do you have a link where it was stated they turned it down? | ||
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Azuroz
Sweden1630 Posts
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TheSilverfox
Sweden1928 Posts
On July 02 2011 07:45 Milkis wrote: Hrmmm, so clarification. Apparently if LosirA/MC comes they'd play in the open. Weird. It's a bit weird but not totally. HuK decided very late to come to MLG Dallas and they didn't change the groups afterwards - he got no1 seed in the Open though. It could be that they needed a decision from MC, LosirA and ThorzaiN a specific date if they would come. Maybe they said no, or maybe they was not sure. | ||
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ptbl
United States6074 Posts
On July 02 2011 07:50 MLG_Lee wrote: All, Pools are locked. So this is final top 16 and pool for Anaheim (not including the GSL LXP players). Also, placement in pools is determined PURELY by rank point earnings by players. Others have linked the way it works here, so I wont' repeat. So if MC, Losira, Thorzain decide to come now, they'd be playing through open. We likely will not be inviting MC or Losira to Anaheim as the intent of the LXP is to invite many different players. We felt that if an LXP player won and event, they should always be re-invited back to defend their title. So MMA is the exception to that intent. Thorzain had a top16 spot but declined it because (as I understand it) he really wants to focus on doing well in GSL, and the travel back and forth would be harsh. Upside is that HuK got his spot, so he'll be starting in Championship Pool. Downside... Huk ends up in pool A with the rest of TL Ahh, so MC and Losira said they wouldn't come to Anaheim. If MC and Losira changed their minds they would have to come to the Open Bracket, like Huk did for MLG Dallas. I wonder why they turned it down though | ||
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Aurdon
United States2007 Posts
On July 02 2011 07:50 MLG_Lee wrote: Also, placement in pools is determined PURELY by rank point earnings by players. Others have linked the way it works here, so I wont' repeat. ' For everyone except MMA, right? | ||
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RapidLoad
Sweden16 Posts
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MrDudeMan
Canada973 Posts
On July 02 2011 07:50 MLG_Lee wrote: All, Pools are locked. So this is final top 16 and pool for Anaheim (not including the GSL LXP players). Also, placement in pools is determined PURELY by rank point earnings by players. Others have linked the way it works here, so I wont' repeat. So if MC, Losira, Thorzain decide to come now, they'd be playing through open. We likely will not be inviting MC or Losira to Anaheim as the intent of the LXP is to invite many different players. We felt that if an LXP player won and event, they should always be re-invited back to defend their title. So MMA is the exception to that intent. Thorzain had a top16 spot but declined it because (as I understand it) he really wants to focus on doing well in GSL, and the travel back and forth would be harsh. Upside is that HuK got his spot, so he'll be starting in Championship Pool. Downside... Huk ends up in pool A with the rest of TL Locking the pools now is definitely for the best. I'd imagine things would get too hectic if you had to make last minute changes. Any news on whether TLO will be playing or not? He said he was taking a break due to injury so there's some confusion. | ||
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Pudge_172
United States1378 Posts
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Bobster
Germany3075 Posts
On July 02 2011 07:50 MLG_Lee wrote: Oh, so you've contacted everyone already.All, Pools are locked. So this is final top 16 and pool for Anaheim (not including the GSL LXP players). Also, placement in pools is determined PURELY by rank point earnings by players. Others have linked the way it works here, so I wont' repeat. So if MC, Losira, Thorzain decide to come now, they'd be playing through open. We likely will not be inviting MC or Losira to Anaheim as the intent of the LXP is to invite many different players. We felt that if an LXP player won and event, they should always be re-invited back to defend their title. So MMA is the exception to that intent. Thorzain had a top16 spot but declined it because (as I understand it) he really wants to focus on doing well in GSL, and the travel back and forth would be harsh. Upside is that HuK got his spot, so he'll be starting in Championship Pool. Downside... Huk ends up in pool A with the rest of TL That means MC Losira and Thorzain declined, but TLO took his spot?? That's big news. Comeback at Anaheim? | ||
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Pudge_172
United States1378 Posts
On July 02 2011 07:55 MrDudeMan wrote: Locking the pools now is definitely for the best. I'd imagine things would get too hectic if you had to make last minute changes. Any news on whether TLO will be playing or not? He said he was taking a break due to injury so there's some confusion. TLO will be playing or he would have turned down the invite...... | ||
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Gezuz
Sweden306 Posts
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
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Aurdon
United States2007 Posts
Still I think they should seed MMA based on his rank points, and only have 3 'invites' for the other three Koreans who didn't come last time. Then Naniwa should not have a Korean in his group since he is top seed. EDIT: Also, I don't get how Lee said pools are based 'purely by rank point' when they aren't taking MMA's points into consideration. | ||
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RapidLoad
Sweden16 Posts
On July 02 2011 07:50 MLG_Lee wrote: All, Pools are locked. So this is final top 16 and pool for Anaheim (not including the GSL LXP players). Also, placement in pools is determined PURELY by rank point earnings by players. Others have linked the way it works here, so I wont' repeat. So if MC, Losira, Thorzain decide to come now, they'd be playing through open. We likely will not be inviting MC or Losira to Anaheim as the intent of the LXP is to invite many different players. We felt that if an LXP player won and event, they should always be re-invited back to defend their title. So MMA is the exception to that intent. Thorzain had a top16 spot but declined it because (as I understand it) he really wants to focus on doing well in GSL, and the travel back and forth would be harsh. Upside is that HuK got his spot, so he'll be starting in Championship Pool. Downside... Huk ends up in pool A with the rest of TL Sending different players every time, means that unless they win like MMA did, they won't be able to accumulate enough rank points to go to the National Championship (if I've understood it correctly). And we all want to see MC there!! and to some extent, LosirA At least over some of the non-korean players currently in the top 16... | ||
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dapanman
United States316 Posts
On July 02 2011 07:54 RapidLoad wrote: Assume that they did ask the koreans first, since MMA is going and he's seeded at no. 3. How come he's not placed in group 3 already? Would also like to know this. Also in the future a policy to just pay the MLG winner's airfare would make more sense than giving MMA one of the precious GSL spots. I'd rather have MMA seeded at 3rd and 4 GSL players seeded 16-20 (even if that meant losing huk .) | ||
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TheSilverfox
Sweden1928 Posts
On July 02 2011 07:50 MLG_Lee wrote: All, Pools are locked. So this is final top 16 and pool for Anaheim (not including the GSL LXP players). Also, placement in pools is determined PURELY by rank point earnings by players. Others have linked the way it works here, so I wont' repeat. So if MC, Losira, Thorzain decide to come now, they'd be playing through open. We likely will not be inviting MC or Losira to Anaheim as the intent of the LXP is to invite many different players. We felt that if an LXP player won and event, they should always be re-invited back to defend their title. So MMA is the exception to that intent. Thorzain had a top16 spot but declined it because (as I understand it) he really wants to focus on doing well in GSL, and the travel back and forth would be harsh. Upside is that HuK got his spot, so he'll be starting in Championship Pool. Downside... Huk ends up in pool A with the rest of TL One question remains: Did MC & Losira decline their spot or not? You talk about Thorzain but not anything about MC or Losira eventual decline. | ||
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Adebisi
Canada1637 Posts
On July 02 2011 07:56 Gezuz wrote: Its not surprising that MC and Losira declined as only the first place would make the trip to US and back worth it so if their teams arent paying they themselves would definetly not bother going, Definitely a lot of truth to this, but furthering yourself for the national finals ($50k) as well as just the publicity in general actually makes it a worthwhile investment IMO. | ||
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TheButtonmen
Canada1403 Posts
Pool A will be fun to watch, though it sucks about the team kills. Pool D is probably the most boring to me, though it will be interesting to see how his time in Korea effects Mooman. | ||
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Rannasha
Netherlands2398 Posts
On July 02 2011 07:54 ptbl wrote: Ahh, so MC and Losira said they wouldn't come to Anaheim. If MC and Losira changed their minds they would have to come to the Open Bracket, like Huk did for MLG Dallas. I wonder why they turned it down though It's quite simple why they turned down their pool seed. Only the players that are invited through the exchange program get their flights paid for them, players like MC and Losira wouldn't be among those as MLG_Lee already said that they want to invite different players every time. So that means that MC and Losira have to pay for their own flights and accommodations. That's not cheap. You would need to get 3rd place or better not to lose money on the trip. And while 3rd place is quite reachable for these players, it's far from certain. And that makes the whole MLG business quite a financial gamble for those Koreans that don't get their trip financed. | ||
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United States298 Posts
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ptbl
United States6074 Posts
On July 02 2011 07:58 TheSilverfox wrote: One question remains: Did MC & Losira decline their spot or not? You talk about Thorzain but not anything about MC or Losira eventual decline. I'm sure MLG asked them and they decline to come to Anaheim and be placed into championship pool play. If MLG didn't ask them, there would be hell to pay lol. So, I doubt MLG would be that naive to create a publicity nightmare. | ||
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MLG_Lee
279 Posts
On July 02 2011 07:57 RapidLoad wrote: Sending different players every time, means that unless they win like MMA did, they won't be able to accumulate enough rank points to go to the National Championship (if I've understood it correctly). And we all want to see MC there!! and to some extent, LosirA At least over some of the non-korean players currently in the top 16...Just so it's clear, National Champions are OPEN TO EVERYONE.. The only difference is that there's no Pool play in championship bracket at National Championships. It's purely a double elim bracket for Championship Bracket with the Open Bracket winners advancing to fill it out. So YOU could come to the national championship, fight your way through Open and win USD$50,000 in prize money. | ||
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Looms
United States4624 Posts
On July 02 2011 07:50 MLG_Lee wrote: All, Pools are locked. So this is final top 16 and pool for Anaheim (not including the GSL LXP players). Also, placement in pools is determined PURELY by rank point earnings by players. Others have linked the way it works here, so I wont' repeat. So if MC, Losira, Thorzain decide to come now, they'd be playing through open. We likely will not be inviting MC or Losira to Anaheim as the intent of the LXP is to invite many different players. We felt that if an LXP player won and event, they should always be re-invited back to defend their title. So MMA is the exception to that intent. Thorzain had a top16 spot but declined it because (as I understand it) he really wants to focus on doing well in GSL, and the travel back and forth would be harsh. Upside is that HuK got his spot, so he'll be starting in Championship Pool. Downside... Huk ends up in pool A with the rest of TL Good to hear some clarification. It seems very fair that reigning Korean MLG winners should be re-invited. It is good for fans and incentive for the Koreans to try even harder to become repeat champions, receiving paid trips around the USA. Also, inviting three new players allows for fans to get more exposure of different players, so this benefits all parties. Thorzain preparing for GSL, totally understandable. | ||
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PartyBiscuit
Canada4525 Posts
Really too bad for Tyler, 1 spot away from still being seeded. | ||
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Ownos
United States2147 Posts
On July 02 2011 07:31 Bobster wrote: Do you have an MLG source for that? MLG's own site shows their ranking points. Looks like Losira and MC declining their invitation to me. I like MLG so I won't even entertain the thought of them posting the lineup without asking the Korean returners first. What it looks like to me, is that they are coming back as invitees which seeds them into the 4 exchange spots. If MMA came on his own he would be seeded higher. | ||
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ptbl
United States6074 Posts
On July 02 2011 08:00 Rannasha wrote: It's quite simple why they turned down their pool seed. Only the players that are invited through the exchange program get their flights paid for them, players like MC and Losira wouldn't be among those as MLG_Lee already said that they want to invite different players every time. So that means that MC and Losira have to pay for their own flights and accommodations. That's not cheap. You would need to get 3rd place or better not to lose money on the trip. And while 3rd place is quite reachable for these players, it's far from certain. And that makes the whole MLG business quite a financial gamble for those Koreans that don't get their trip financed. Yes, but they also get more points for the national championship, which has a prize pool of 50k. They would be missing out on it because attending one MLG, won't get you enough points to avoid the open bracket. Plus, MC has traveled to other tournaments with small prize pools like Copenhagen. | ||
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grobo
Japan6199 Posts
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RapidLoad
Sweden16 Posts
On July 02 2011 08:00 MLG_Lee wrote: Just so it's clear, National Champions are OPEN TO EVERYONE.. The only difference is that there's no Pool play in championship bracket at National Championships. It's purely a double elim bracket for Championship Bracket with the Open Bracket winners advancing to fill it out. So YOU could come to the national championship, fight your way through Open and win USD$50,000 in prize money. Is the National Championship part of the exchange program? I.e. would the koreans have to pay their trips by themselves even if they have enough rank points to go straight into top 16 or is it covered by MLG/GSL? | ||
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Mayor
United States472 Posts
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odder
United States405 Posts
On July 02 2011 08:01 PartyBiscuit wrote: Ah, was wondering why Huk was seeded into the pools but I remember Thorzain isn't competing in anymore MLGs. Really too bad for Tyler, 1 spot away from still being seeded. just cheer for Huk to make the GSL finals and then Tyler might get the bump up | ||
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dapanman
United States316 Posts
On May 14 2011 01:04 MLG_Lee wrote: Check the format rules here: http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/starcraft-2-pro-circuit-competition-format-changes GSL players part of the LXP always seed into the 16-20 (and this seeding is done by their GSL rank points), regardless of MLG rank points. If a GSL pro who has rank points comes on their own (not part of the LXP), then they would seed according to their MLG rank points. MLG and GSL are only covering travel and accommodations for the players in the LXP for that event. Subsequent events (if a player is not invited) are on their own costs. So the team would have to cover it if they aren't invited again. We hope to have a large variety of players in the exchange program to give the most number of players the experience. It is truly an EXCHANGE program, so the point is to give the broadest number of players the chance to experience competition overseas. That said, you have to earn your spot :D Hope that clears it up some! | ||
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Ownos
United States2147 Posts
On July 02 2011 07:46 Aurdon wrote: Is there not some rich fan or sponsor of eSports that wouldn't want to do a single person sponsorship for MC to get a plane ticket to the states? Stride, are you listening? How many fans would go apeshit if some way MC was able to come and then all the fans found out it was possible because of X sponsorship. You realize how many mentions that would get for that sponsor. #ROI As if he couldn't just buy a plane ticket himself... -.- | ||
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hiyo_bye
United States737 Posts
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PraetorianX
Sweden780 Posts
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United States906 Posts
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Engore
United States1916 Posts
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Toadvine
Poland2234 Posts
On July 02 2011 08:08 Ownos wrote: As if he couldn't just buy a plane ticket himself... -.- Perhaps he would, had the prize pool been more appealing. As it is now, getting 3rd barely covers travel expenses for KR players. | ||
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UniquE.
Canada143 Posts
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Netherlands2209 Posts
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FireFish
Denmark228 Posts
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shikheh
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I thought he was supposed to go to MLG Anaheim :0 | ||
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United States918 Posts
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Qaatar
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MLG inviting 3 more Koreans (excluding MMA) means that MC and Losira would have much stiffer competition than last time. Think about it, if the other two Korean invites to Anaheim are, say, Bomber/DRG or NesTea/MVP, the chances of MC and Losira getting that first place are drastically reduced. No way that they would agree to such a proposition, even if placing well means placement points for the grand finals. | ||
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StatikKhaos
United States214 Posts
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Ownos
United States2147 Posts
On July 02 2011 08:18 Toadvine wrote: Perhaps he would, had the prize pool been more appealing. As it is now, getting 3rd barely covers travel expenses for KR players. The EU players don't seem to have any trouble coming over. | ||
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SigmaoctanusIV
United States3313 Posts
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EG.Thorzain
Sweden164 Posts
Anyways this makes HuK get a seed, afaik . Will be awesome to be at home watching the stream when HuK and nAni go at it! | ||
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Shinobi1982
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Why can't you do the same thing GSL does? Players choose who they want to be grouped with (higher seed players choose first and so on). You don't need to stretch it out for 2-3 hours, I'm sure in 30 minutes the groups can be made in the morning of the tournament. It can be streamed, there would be drama, viewers would love it. And the players would be satisfied because they choose who they are getting grouped with. If it was seeded for a bracket, sure I understand if players from same team have to play each other early in the tournament. But for group play?? ... no my2cents | ||
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Qaatar
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On July 02 2011 08:33 Ownos wrote: The EU players don't seem to have any trouble coming over. 1. Plane tickets from Western Europe are much cheaper than from Korea. I don't know about Eastern Europe, but I don't think it's a coincidence that Strelok only attended one and stopped going, and this is going to be WR's first time this year. Edit: Apparently, Strelok never even went to one. lol 2. Not many Euros are going to MLG to go through the open bracket. The few that went last time, like Morrow and Thorzain, aren't going this time. Coincidence? I think not. | ||
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MLG_Lee
279 Posts
On July 02 2011 08:39 Shinobi1982 wrote: I'm sorry but the groups are ridiculous. All Korean invites get into separate groups. Why can't players from same team get the same privilege? Why can't you do the same thing GSL does? Players choose who they want to be grouped with (higher seed players choose first and so on). You don't need to stretch it out for 2-3 hours, I'm sure in 30 minutes the groups can be made in the morning of the tournament. It can be streamed, there would be drama, viewers would love it. And the players would be satisfied because they choose who they are getting grouped with. If it was seeded for a bracket, sure I understand if players from same team have to play each other early in the tournament. But for group play?? ... no my2cents The group placement is actually based on player's performance at past MLG's. The placement of GSL LXP players conforms to that placement practice. I'm not sure how you feel this is a privilege. There's nothing subjective about this, it's purely based on rank points earned through placement at an MLG event. | ||
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mechavoc
United States664 Posts
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Chrian
United States1472 Posts
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DerNebel
Denmark648 Posts
Also, teamkills are unfortunate | ||
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Contagious
United States1319 Posts
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phuzi0n
United States308 Posts
B - decent skill range C - "the kiddie pool" - the korean will manhandle them all D - decent skill range | ||
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ronpaul012
United States769 Posts
On July 02 2011 08:42 MLG_Lee wrote: The group placement is actually based on player's performance at past MLG's. The placement of GSL LXP players conforms to that placement practice. I'm not sure how you feel this is a privilege. There's nothing subjective about this, it's purely based on rank points earned through placement at an MLG event. So that means the korean invites who have been to mlg before will get the highest seeds? I'm assuming you can't confirm, but if you place the koreans by previous placement then MMA will have to be in group D, correct? I understand that foreigners are placed based on previous outcomes but does this hold true for the gsl invites? | ||
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Duravi
United States1205 Posts
The group placement is actually based on player's performance at past MLG's. The placement of GSL LXP players conforms to that placement practice. I'm not sure how you feel this is a privilege. There's nothing subjective about this, it's purely based on rank points earned through placement at an MLG event. Even though that guy didn't understand the current system I still like his suggestion a lot and you may want to consider it. Having Pools be determined GSL style with the top seeds picking a player then their picks selecting etc... would be such a great thing to add next season. It adds a lot to the story lines and personalities of the players. Please consider it for next season guys! | ||
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yawnoC
United States3704 Posts
I thought he would be taking more time off because of his injury ... maybe he got some good news from the doctor or is recovering better than expected. If he didn't go at least there would have only been 2 Liquid players in group A ... AND WE WOULD HAVE HAD HUK VS IDRA! Anyway group look good. I am also really happy that MLG decided to invite MMA after he decided he wasn't going to pay his way to Anaheim. | ||
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Shinobi1982
1605 Posts
On July 02 2011 08:42 MLG_Lee wrote: The group placement is actually based on player's performance at past MLG's. The placement of GSL LXP players conforms to that placement practice. I'm not sure how you feel this is a privilege. There's nothing subjective about this, it's purely based on rank points earned through placement at an MLG event. No love for GSL group selection method? Players were very positive about you sir and Sundance last MLG for walking around players area to get feedback from players. This is just another small thing that can be sorted out to accommodate players in tournament. I can imagine TL/EG raging now about the groups. **Edit** I understand very well how the groups are made and it is fair from tournament organizer point of view. But players/teams who get the short end of the stick are far from happy. I mean 3 out of 4 teammates in same group... | ||
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United States2748 Posts
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Duravi
United States1205 Posts
Players were very positive about you sir and Sundance last MLG for walking around players area to get feedback from players. This is just another small thing that can be sorted out to accommodate players in tournament. I can imagine TL/EG raging now about the groups. To be fair you still get team kills in GSL style groups because the picked players can select someone from the same team as another person already in the group. You would almost never see 3 players from the same team in a group though unless it was the last one. | ||
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MrDudeMan
Canada973 Posts
On July 02 2011 08:50 Contagious wrote: Well if TLO cant play, just put ret in for his spot and add someone else to group C. xD jk Can't wait! Theres not even a need to move ret. The next in line if TLO cant play is Tyler lol. | ||
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AntiLegend
Germany247 Posts
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yawnoC
United States3704 Posts
We would've had: 1) Only 2 Liquid Member in Group A 2) TYLER! would have made it into groups and 3) We would have gotten Idra vs Huk in group play. Oddly enough it would have also put Sheth and Moonan --The only seeded FXO players-- in the same group. | ||
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Australia48 Posts
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Stuv
Netherlands942 Posts
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Ownos
United States2147 Posts
On July 02 2011 08:34 Thorzain wrote: I've been travelling for so much lately including private stuff so I'd just like to have some time at home. That's why I'm not coming. It's also because it's close to the GSL so it'll be less stressful this way. Anyways this makes HuK get a seed, afaik . Will be awesome to be at home watching the stream when HuK and nAni go at it! You could say you just want to CHILL OUT. | ||
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Scribble
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Edit: Looks like they just don't get rank points? Not sure that I like that. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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ehalf
408 Posts
why ThorZain is not on the pool list while Huk is? Huk apparently has less points. | ||
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Shinobi1982
1605 Posts
On July 02 2011 09:24 ehalf wrote: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Rankings why ThorZain is not on the pool list while Huk is? Huk apparently has less points. On page 9 is your answer. | ||
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jayGroove
United States15 Posts
On July 02 2011 08:25 shikheh wrote: Do you know what is happening to Bomber? I thought he was supposed to go to MLG Anaheim :0 Startale manager said that he would send Bomber to MLG Anaheim for correcting his 'visa' mistake in the past. If GSL choose Bomber, it would be very lucky for him. (Because he's so ready to go MLG!) But if it isn't, ST manager will send him as promised unless Bomber advance to GSL July finals. Also, I understand Losira/MC turned down the Championship seed. They definitely want to focus on GSL and their journey didn't end right now. I feel they will face the same issue like Bomber, depends on the result of this GSL, they may choose to attend MLG Anaheim or maybe not. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
Anyway I just bought the golden membership. MLG is worth it. | ||
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zul
Germany5427 Posts
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Serpico
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On July 02 2011 08:13 PraetorianX wrote: I am very disappointed to see Group A. The only thing that could make it worse was if MC took the GSL spot in that group. Then we would have the best three Protoss in the world - MC, Naniwa and HuK - in the same group - which is totally unfair. Pools C and D seem very weak in comparison. anyways ya everyone but naniwa and MC would be in trouble. | ||
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The KY
United Kingdom6252 Posts
'Hey grea-!' x) 'You have to play Idra.' :l | ||
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United States378 Posts
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United States119 Posts
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Sweden3804 Posts
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Nighthawks28
United States232 Posts
On July 02 2011 09:46 Euronyme wrote: No respect for Europeans. Last MLG Sweden was spelled Sweeden, and now poor Socke has become Sockeh in the brackets.. >.< The spellings of all the players in the bracket are based on what they signed up as. That's why you see things like GosuHuk and IdrA1. | ||
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MonkSEA
Australia1227 Posts
Seems like pool B will be dangerous if DRG, MMA or MC go in there.. I'm not too sure about Boxer though, I feel IdrA, Sheth and Sjow to easily destroy Boxer.. I think Boxer has a good chance in pool C only really.. Ret will probably be the hardest for him there especially since MC said that his toughest opponent in NASL was actually Ret. Pool D is catastrophic for whatever Korean goes in there, SeleCT and KiWi are favourites in D, tbqh after the GSTL Moonan is a free match, and Machine could be tough depends if he takes IdrA's advice to the T or not. Pool A looks fairly one sided for Protoss, so hopefully no more P's in A because that'd make 3 P's which means.. that's right.. A ton of Fail v Fail. Predictions for top 2 of the current list: A: Nani, HuK B: IdrA, Sheth C: Ret D: KiWi, SeleCT I don't think Drewbie Sockeh or Slush have what it takes, but Sockeh might suprise us. Actually, I'd live to see a Zerg in Pool D. I really hope they send DRG, Clide or Sage. Especially last nights showing that Sage.. is no doubt good, and just needs to step up his micro. July and Zenio might be good options too.. All we can do is speculate | ||
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zaii
Guam2611 Posts
On July 02 2011 09:46 Euronyme wrote: No respect for Europeans. Last MLG Sweden was spelled Sweeden, and now poor Socke has become Sockeh in the brackets.. >.< You do know it was Socke himself who spelled it that way when he registered on MLG? | ||
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Oreo7
United States1647 Posts
interesting choice by TL to send huk but not jinro - probably the right one, I guess. | ||
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Lobo2me
Norway1213 Posts
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EGfanBoi!DemuFtw
United Kingdom46 Posts
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EGfanBoi!DemuFtw
United Kingdom46 Posts
I don't think Drewbie Sockeh or Slush have what it takes, but Sockeh might suprise us. Did you not watch socke play at dreamhack or homestory? he was really impressive, and slush finished 8th in last mlg rofl, dude, get a clue, dont say random things that really aint true plz | ||
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gustavohmp
Brazil139 Posts
Its time to decide whos the best american zerg Gogogogo MLG | ||
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PoopLord
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TastiC
Netherlands40 Posts
I wonder who will play through the open brackets too. Oh man I just love MLG! So much excitement! Part of me wants HuK to take this aswell, but I also want Boxer to grab this one, or MMA. But I also wouldn't mind IdrA taking this either! Can't wait for this! Or MajOr. God I can't make up my mind. | ||
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GetToDaChopa
United States206 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/bulOi.png) | ||
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Quesa
United States304 Posts
On July 02 2011 09:36 Serpico wrote: anyways ya everyone but naniwa and MC would be in trouble. I love how we have people calling Huk a Korean and at the same time still have the 'Huk's pathetic' crowd; yeah, Huk wouldn't stand much of a chance against MC and Naniwa, considering he just beat both of them to win HSC3 last weekend. | ||
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TofuFox
374 Posts
On July 02 2011 09:03 AntiLegend wrote: i don't know if this is still relevant, but according to http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/hnuz8/tlo_apologises_to_fans/ TLO has to attend certain events due to sponsor obligations. Yes, due to the Sony Ericsson sponsorship he is required to attend MLG events. It's why he withdrew from ESL Season 18 (the finals match conflicted with MLG Columbus - which is why Socke wasn't at Columbus). It's possible they could work something out due to injury, of course - we're hardly privy to that issue - but it was the most recent status as of Liquid Weekly #35 . | ||
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Euronyme
Sweden3804 Posts
On July 02 2011 10:07 PoopLord wrote: Hope to see Naniwa get revenge against HuK :D Gonna be hard. I think Naniwa's PvP is his weakest MU atm. He used to be super fucking good at it, but I think he relied alot on a crisp 4 gate. I hope he's been practicing the shit out of a nice counter to HuK ^^ naniwa fighting! | ||
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Elem
Sweden4717 Posts
On July 02 2011 10:07 gustavohmp wrote: Last time they faced off Idra manhandled Sheth so bad. :pIdra and Sheth on the same group, oh boy Its time to decide whos the best american zerg Gogogogo MLG | ||
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MrDudeMan
Canada973 Posts
On July 02 2011 09:54 MonkSEA wrote: I don't think Drewbie Sockeh or Slush have what it takes, but Sockeh might suprise us. Slush beat Ret and came in 5th at the last MLG. But Drewbie beat Slush and Socke is good too, I would say its one of the more interesting pools since the difference in skill is small. | ||
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Hnnngg
United States1101 Posts
On July 02 2011 10:19 Elem wrote: Last time they faced off Idra manhandled Sheth so bad. :p Nice people compensate for being inferior. Jk, IdrA vs. Sheth will be a very good ZvZ. | ||
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Jacob666
United States285 Posts
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GenoZStriker
United States2914 Posts
On July 02 2011 10:19 Elem wrote: Last time they faced off Idra manhandled Sheth so bad. :p Sheth beat IdrA 2-1 in their last encounter which was at ESEA. | ||
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Boony
Australia87 Posts
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pusmoh
Germany75 Posts
On July 02 2011 10:27 Jacob666 wrote: I hope Jinro is brought from korea and is put in Group B with IdrA becouse i know how much IdrA gets along with Jinro. >:D Hehe, if even Jinro gets the invite he would go in pool C or D, as he has more GSL points than both MMA and BoxeR | ||
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Serpico
4285 Posts
On July 02 2011 10:10 Quesa wrote: I love how we have people calling Huk a Korean and at the same time still have the 'Huk's pathetic' crowd; yeah, Huk wouldn't stand much of a chance against MC and Naniwa, considering he just beat both of them to win HSC3 last weekend. Idra beat MC once too. PvP is what it is and Huk still isn't a top 3 protoss in the world, not even close. Better players than him have almost been sent down to code A before. Starcraft isn't about "how good can you be in the span of a couple of months." Sorry if I'm skeptical. Also you strangely say pathetic when no one mentioned it before. | ||
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Premier
United States503 Posts
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Shalaiyn
Netherlands2735 Posts
On July 02 2011 10:13 Euronyme wrote: Gonna be hard. I think Naniwa's PvP is his weakest MU atm. He used to be super fucking good at it, but I think he relied alot on a crisp 4 gate. I hope he's been practicing the shit out of a nice counter to HuK ^^ naniwa fighting! Naniwa beat Kiwikaki and Cruncher lately, Kiwi doesn't have the best PVP iirc and Cruncher isn't on the same level Naniwa is, and he only barely beat both of those players, I don't recall when Nani had amazing PVP. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On July 02 2011 10:36 Serpico wrote: Idra beat MC once too. PvP is what it is and Huk still isn't a top 3 protoss in the world, not even close. Better players than him have almost been sent down to code A before. Starcraft isn't about "how good can you be in the span of a couple of months." Sorry if I'm skeptical. Also you strangely say pathetic when no one mentioned it before. naniwa certainly cant be called a top 3 protoss if huk cant (not saying he is or isnt) | ||
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[GiTM]-Ace
United States4935 Posts
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Eury
Sweden1126 Posts
On July 02 2011 10:13 Euronyme wrote: Gonna be hard. I think Naniwa's PvP is his weakest MU atm. He used to be super fucking good at it, but I think he relied alot on a crisp 4 gate. I hope he's been practicing the shit out of a nice counter to HuK ^^ naniwa fighting! Naniwa will do fine as long as he stops giving away games that he has already pretty much won. He did that several times against Huk, and he really shouldn't had drop that game against MC either in Homestory cup. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On July 02 2011 10:36 Serpico wrote: Idra beat MC once too. PvP is what it is and Huk still isn't a top 3 protoss in the world, not even close. Better players than him have almost been sent down to code A before. Starcraft isn't about "how good can you be in the span of a couple of months." Sorry if I'm skeptical. Also you strangely say pathetic when no one mentioned it before. I'd say MC is still "better" than Huk, but not by that much. Looking at the Code S & Code A Protoss options, I'm having a problem finding someone I would say is out & out better than Huk. Alicia? Maybe Sage (after his recent performance)? There's not a lot of Protoss options past MC. Huk took it to two very solid tournaments recently. He's got a lot going for him right now. He's definitely scary. | ||
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Pudge_172
United States1378 Posts
On July 02 2011 10:37 Premier wrote: What is with goddam mlg and teamkills, 3 liquid members on 1 group... come on What is with goddam fucking idiots who can't understand the groups are based on points and the points put 3 liquid members on 1 group User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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MonkSEA
Australia1227 Posts
On July 02 2011 10:06 EGfanBoi!DemuFtw wrote: Did you not watch socke play at dreamhack or homestory? he was really impressive, and slush finished 8th in last mlg rofl, dude, get a clue, dont say random things that really aint true plz Just because Slush finished 8th last MLG doesn't mean he can do it again. Look at SeleCT for example. So "rofl, dude, get a clue, don't say biased fanboy things that really aint true plz" | ||
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taldarimAltar
973 Posts
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dartoo
India2889 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + How can things get worse for group A? The gsl person ends being someone from ogs, or maybe even jinro :p anyway...go go go huk! | ||
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Chemist391
United States366 Posts
Cannot wait to compete in the open bracket and then watch these monsters wage war. ESports gogogo! | ||
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Headnoob
Australia2108 Posts
seems like bullshit to me. | ||
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d(O.o)a
Canada5066 Posts
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Indrium
United States2236 Posts
On July 02 2011 14:02 Headnoob wrote: Why aren't the koreans who made top 16 seeded, europeans get seeded after all. seems like bullshit to me. They declined to come. | ||
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Headnoob
Australia2108 Posts
Whoa, did not know that, cheers for info. that's a shame | ||
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Quintum_
United States669 Posts
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Chicane
United States7875 Posts
The Liquid team kills as well as EG sucks. Incontrol didn't get as good of groups as the past 2 MLG's (and when I mean good, I mean not good for him). D: I'm glad to see Moonan, Machine, Sheth and Drewbie all still in the top 16. I wasn't too sure about them. Also the groups seem well spread out in terms of race. I'd also say they look relatively even in terms of skill. Alright that's enough random comments from me. I'm looking forward to it! Edit: Well maybe one more comment... On July 02 2011 13:55 taldarimAltar wrote: group A is fucking stacked man, feel sad for the liquid guys o.O but it'll actual be a group where every player has been to korea to train before, if naniwa goes to korea before his code A to practise that is. I don't know... I don't think Haypro or TLO are in the top half of the 16 players. HuK and Naniwa are definitely up there though. As I said earlier, all the groups seem much more balanced this time. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
No room at the top D: Also, no Jinro or Tyler? | ||
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Chicane
United States7875 Posts
On July 02 2011 14:22 Torte de Lini wrote: Damn you TL, why do you guys have to be so good that you end up team killing one another ): No room at the top D: Also, no Jinro or Tyler? I think Tyler might have to go through the open brackets... but ya that's a nice catch. I wonder what the deal is with him. As for Jinro, he doesn't have any points to get seeded in the top 16. He would have to go through the open brackets. | ||
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Bladgrim
Canada179 Posts
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On July 02 2011 14:25 Chicane wrote: I think Tyler might have to go through the open brackets... but ya that's a nice catch. I wonder what the deal is with him. As for Jinro, he doesn't have any points to get seeded in the top 16. He would have to go through the open brackets. Ah, thanks ): Poor Tyler, though he can do it without a problem! Idra vs. iNcontrol, I'm going to love seeing that! | ||
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DarkRise
1644 Posts
well i guess we haven't yet seen who will join his group from GSL and open Bracket | ||
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DuckS
United States845 Posts
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DisaFear
Australia4074 Posts
Poor TL group of death, show us some prowess Haypro! Interesting, inControl vs Idra, and Idra vs Shethhhhhuu | ||
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aDd3z
Germany885 Posts
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pdd
Australia9933 Posts
On July 02 2011 07:45 Milkis wrote: Hrmmm, so clarification. Apparently if LosirA/MC comes they'd play in the open. Weird. I guess it's MLG's mechanism to protect the composition of the Championship brackets and make sure it's not too Korean dominated. EDIT: I guess it's a bit fair in a sense... since they were given free invites to the Champs bracket. | ||
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MaxField
United States2386 Posts
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KimJongChill
United States6429 Posts
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Fraidnot
United States824 Posts
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Nighthawks28
United States232 Posts
On July 02 2011 15:13 pdd wrote: I guess it's MLG's mechanism to protect the composition of the Championship brackets and make sure it's not too Korean dominated. EDIT: I guess it's a bit fair in a sense... since they were given free invites to the Champs bracket. You didn't read the whole thread. Losira/MC would be placed in pool play but they would have to pay for their travel/hotel expenses b/c they aren't considered one of the 4 GSL invites for MLG Anaheim. They declined on going to MLG. These pool groups are permanent so if later Losira/MC changes their mind and decide to go, they would be placed in the open bracket. MMA is attending as a GSL invite so his travel expenses are paid for by MLG. If MMA decided to attend MLG on his own as the #3 seed in points then he would have to pay for his trip. MLG invited MMA b/c they thought it was fair to allow him to defend his title. But MLG wants to invite different korean players each time. | ||
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RmoteCntrld
United States596 Posts
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Nighthawks28
United States232 Posts
On July 02 2011 15:42 RmoteCntrld wrote: How is HuK seeded after missing an MLG? Seeding is based on points. Huk received points from MLG Dallas. He barely made it into the pool b/c of certain players declining to go (like thorzain). | ||
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Kleinmuuhg
Vanuatu4091 Posts
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Bumblebee
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Asha
United Kingdom38257 Posts
- So many good players! That said, TLO and Haypro aren't on the same level as the other guys right now so it should really come down to the Huk/Nani/Korean triangle. Group B is good: - Should be between Idra + Korean. Sjow has fallen off a bit lately it seems so I don't see him being a threat (+ his vZ is bad), and while Sheth is good I don't think he'll beat Idra in a ZvZ, and wouldn't favour him vs the KR invite either. Group C will be interesting: - 3 players I'd consider very good but not great in here, I expect #1 to be between the KR seed and Ret, but Socke's had a bit of a resurgence lately. Should be a tough fight for the top 3, with Slush looking to sneak in there as well. Group D is meh: - Kiwi and SeleCT are both good, but as a top 2 for a group they feel a bit week. Moonan can play great (as seen in his MLG Dallas run and recent NASL qualies), but he's also prone to getting stomped (as seen last MLG and yesterdays GSTL). Machine has been a non-factor in forever. This should be the most favourable group for a korean to be seeded into. The way Boxer plays into things will be interesting, since he's likely to be the weakest invite and while he's still really good I think he'll tend to be more beatable. | ||
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Copenap
723 Posts
Edit: Is Tyler going to play in the open bracket? | ||
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Zhiroo
Kosovo2724 Posts
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vilg
Denmark413 Posts
edit: saw his reply. Stacked groups, will be interesting. When will the list of open bracket players be available? | ||
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jinixxx123
543 Posts
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On July 02 2011 15:46 Nighthawks28 wrote: Seeding is based on points. Huk received points from MLG Dallas. He barely made it into the pool b/c of certain players declining to go (like thorzain). Yup, Socke made it too. | ||
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Zanno
United States1484 Posts
would tyler (next seed down) take his place in the pool or would MLG put up the MC bat signal again | ||
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Novalisk
Israel1818 Posts
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Murdock
Poland490 Posts
I hope not to see top3 koreans this time.. Would also be really nice if KiWiKaKi managed to win finish on high position. I really like his playstyle. | ||
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pusmoh
Germany75 Posts
On July 02 2011 19:12 Novalisk wrote: So MC, LosirA, July and Moon didn't have enough points? Or did they all announce they aren't coming? MC, LosirA and Moon would've had enough points to be seeded in pool play, but they all declined (this time they had to pay for the trip themselves). If July comes, he must go through the open bracket once again, he's only 24th in ranking. | ||
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Xadar
497 Posts
Will there be one Korean for each group every MLG now? | ||
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pusmoh
Germany75 Posts
On July 02 2011 19:28 Xadar wrote: Idra vs Incontrol is gonna be cool . Will there be one Korean for each group every MLG now? Yes the four invites always get put one per group. There could be more in a group though if non-invited koreans, who have enough points for pool play, come over on their own expenses. | ||
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sefio
103 Posts
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Mithriel
Netherlands2969 Posts
What a bad luck to have three liquid players in same group due to points. Group D looks the easiest by far, none of those players stand out really lately. | ||
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Denzil
United Kingdom4193 Posts
The re re re re match will happen with Idra. | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
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zYwi3c
Poland1811 Posts
Please. | ||
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pusmoh
Germany75 Posts
On July 02 2011 19:52 JustPassingBy wrote: MMA and Losira should have gotten enough points in the last MLG to be seeded into the pool regardless of GSL spots. Nevertheless the GSL offered one of their spots to MMA and he would be stupid to decline (free travel and lodging). But what about Losira, has he declined the invitation? MLG_Lee I think has stated in this thread that they would only invite MMA from last time again, so he has a chance to defend his title. The other three invites will be different so LosirA wasn't invited again, he would've had to pay for the trip himself. Edit: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10087424 | ||
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Euronyme
Sweden3804 Posts
On July 02 2011 18:58 vilg wrote: Does anyone know why thorzain declined attending? edit: saw his reply. Stacked groups, will be interesting. When will the list of open bracket players be available? He also said after last MLG that being in the open bracket was pretty horrible. He won't return to MLG unless he's seeded in. Appearantly the mods were really rude, he had no chance to go outside the venue during the entire event as the schedule was so fucked up there was no way knowing if you'd get DQd if you'd get a hamburger etc etc etc. I can't say I blame him for the descision. | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
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Majynx
United States1431 Posts
However, from a positive aspect, it goes to show they have strong competitors with 1/5 of the top 20 being from TL.On another note, interested to see who the other GSL invites are... | ||
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Snipershot
United Kingdom59 Posts
No-one likes teamkills very unlucky, maybe they try hard to prove whos the best :D | ||
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Pengu
England226 Posts
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Sedz
Australia123 Posts
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sefio
103 Posts
On July 02 2011 15:16 KimJongChill wrote: Looks like Idra's group is okay for once :D Until MC is seeded into his group :DD | ||
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Flying_Cake
Canada117 Posts
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StyLeD
United States2965 Posts
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StyLeD
United States2965 Posts
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PhatsMahoney
United States10 Posts
....HuK got screwed again. If HuK can win vs Naniwa, he can beat TLO and Haypro for sure. Didn't HuK just beat Naniwa at Homestory? | ||
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hugman
Sweden4644 Posts
On July 02 2011 21:49 PhatsMahoney wrote: Didn't HuK just beat Naniwa at Homestory? Yup And Naniwa beat Huk too I think it's a toss up | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
On July 02 2011 21:39 Flying_Cake wrote: Did Huk got seeded in? Did he had enough points to get in group play from the previous MLG? Liquipedia is a really good tool for things like this. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Rankings You can find Huk here at 21 with 5 people not showing up above him. | ||
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Bumblebee
3237 Posts
On July 02 2011 21:54 hugman wrote: I think it's a toss up Toss underpowered. I agree with that statement, but really. It's a mirror, come on!! | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On July 02 2011 19:56 zYwi3c wrote: Boxer, MMA, MKP, MC. Please. I am sure one spot is for a Zerg player and one for toss so these two terrans is all you get | ||
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ProxyKnoxy
United Kingdom2576 Posts
Damn as I wrote that I heard that Providence is an open tournament? | ||
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darcevader88
Canada648 Posts
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Bobster
Germany3075 Posts
Plenty of space for NA and EU players to take home some ranking points (the prize money is not really worth mentioning for a tournament of this size). | ||
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PDizzle
Denmark1754 Posts
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Draconicfire
Canada2562 Posts
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lunchforthesky
United Kingdom967 Posts
On July 02 2011 22:55 Bobster wrote: I remember the doom and gloom when people were calculating the Koreans winning everything and coming back to take up all the spots (like, people were expecting 9+2 Koreans in pool play at Anaheim) - and now there's only 4+2 in pool play. Plenty of space for NA and EU players to take home some ranking points (the prize money is not really worth mentioning for a tournament of this size). Because the money isn't worth it. If the prize money was bigger the Koreans would go and dominate it, but for only $5000 if you win it's just not worth the travel expense. | ||
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hjkim1304
Korea (South)105 Posts
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BearDK
Denmark101 Posts
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zaii
Guam2611 Posts
On July 02 2011 22:45 ProxyKnoxy wrote: Thorzain is gonna regret not going to this event when he doesn't have enough points for Providence. Damn as I wrote that I heard that Providence is an open tournament? If thorzain wants to play a shitload of games at Providence then he doesn't need to attend the remaining regular season events. Providence shouldn't be an open tournament, Hopefully they will change it for the 2012 season. Having Nationals be an open tournament gives less meaning to the points players are collecting from attending events. | ||
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FinnGamer
Germany2426 Posts
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Sumwar
Canada199 Posts
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(Max 20 chars)
149 Posts
On the one hand MLG_Lee said it's the final pool and there are also players that declined an invitation. This sounds as if TLO was asked already and agreed to play. But on the other hand TLO himself said he won't be able to play SC2 for weeks or even months (which also means he has no practice). After that time, the decision will be awaited if he'll need an surgical intervention. And if he has to pause SC2 even longer. These two things don't really fit together. So many people mentioned this already. It would be nice to hear some facts on this issue. | ||
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two.watup
United States371 Posts
On July 02 2011 23:17 Sumwar wrote: Group C & D seem the easiest and Group A is hard. Group B is a wildcard. How is Idra going to perform? He can sometimes be amazing but lately hasn't always been amazing. Incontrol is the same thing. Will he focus on being a pro or has he been spending too much time coaching/casting/etc. FXOSheth. How has his training in Korea helped him? A lot? Not a lot? I expect Sjow to not do well and Group B is a real wildcard of a group. What? In IdrA's 3 MLG appearances he has taken 1st, 7th, and 4th. He's a lock for at least 2nd in his group, depending on which Korean he gets. | ||
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Bobster
Germany3075 Posts
On July 02 2011 23:02 lunchforthesky wrote: Because the money isn't worth it. If the prize money was bigger the Koreans would go and dominate it, but for only $5000 if you win it's just not worth the travel expense. Exactly. If the format allows it, we'll probably see more Koreans make an appearance at the National Championships. | ||
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FT.aCt)Sony
United States1048 Posts
On July 02 2011 23:00 Draconicfire wrote: Cheering for Boxer to win so he gets a Code S spot >_> If he was to win the tournament he will not get a Code S Spot. Code S/Code A entries are for non-korean players who place 1st/2nd/3rd and potentially 4th. If Korean A places 1st and Foreigner B C D place 2nd/3rd/4th, each will get a Code A spot. | ||
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Bobster
Germany3075 Posts
On July 02 2011 23:53 FT.aCt)Sony wrote: If he was to win the tournament he will not get a Code S Spot. Code S/Code A entries are for non-korean players who place 1st/2nd/3rd and potentially 4th. If Korean A places 1st and Foreigner B C D place 2nd/3rd/4th, each will get a Code A spot. That is incorrect. Everyone is eligible for the Code S spot, no matter the nationality. Only the 4 (not 3) Code A spots are reserved for non-Koreans. | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
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Bobster
Germany3075 Posts
On July 02 2011 23:54 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: no thorzain ;;? He declined. He didn't like playing in the Open Bracket at Columbus. | ||
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Shinobi1982
1605 Posts
On July 02 2011 22:52 darcevader88 wrote: mc has to go, that guy is pure entertainment! That rich nerd baller can afford ticket on his own :D. Question is does he want to go? | ||
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lunchforthesky
United Kingdom967 Posts
On July 02 2011 23:56 Shinobi1982 wrote: That rich nerd baller can afford ticket on his own :D. Question is does he want to go? He needs to wait to be eliminated from GSL first. | ||
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toadyy
United Kingdom179 Posts
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Epx
Switzerland209 Posts
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Icekommander
Canada483 Posts
On July 02 2011 23:22 two.watup wrote: In IdrA's 3 MLG appearances he has taken 1st, 7th, and 4th. You're forgetting Dallas 2010 when he got locked out the top 16 by Liquid Nazgul and Select. | ||
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Gladiator6
Sweden7024 Posts
On July 02 2011 23:22 two.watup wrote: What? In IdrA's 3 MLG appearances he has taken 1st, 7th, and 4th. He's a lock for at least 2nd in his group, depending on which Korean he gets. Let us all pray and hope for oGsMC, if MC is going to come of course. | ||
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Nighthawks28
United States232 Posts
On July 03 2011 03:26 Epx wrote: Wtf why is everyone writing about groups.. that aren't the groups, that are POOLS and out of these pools the groups are going the be generated. It's like a seeding. If those are the "groups" i would like to eat my sc2 cover. Those pools are the groups. They are based on points from previous MLGs. However, nobody gets eliminated from the pool. However, the winner of the pool will go to the winners bracket semi finals. And all the other players will go to the losers bracket (the better you do in pool play, the higher round you will start in the losers bracket). | ||
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Epx
Switzerland209 Posts
On July 03 2011 03:38 Nighthawks28 wrote: Those pools are the groups. They are based on points from previous MLGs. However, nobody gets eliminated from the pool. However, the winner of the pool will go to the winners bracket semi finals. And all the other players will go to the losers bracket (the better you do in pool play, the higher round you will start in the losers bracket). Thanks for the explanation. The term "pool" confused me there. | ||
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KinQuh
Finland810 Posts
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
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Dakk
Sweden572 Posts
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Nighthawks28
United States232 Posts
On July 03 2011 03:55 Risen wrote: Since tlo isn't playing will mlg be replacing him with tyler? Not sure what's happening. TLO didn't decline his invite so he might be playing. Other players, like thorzain, declined their invite so they aren't in the pool. So the fact that we see TLO in the pool that means he didn't decline. | ||
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FiLmBoT
United States107 Posts
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On July 02 2011 08:33 Ownos wrote: The EU players don't seem to have any trouble coming over. Going from Korea is about 2x the price I think. Although maybe west coast makes it more similiar for euros hm. | ||
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pusmoh
Germany75 Posts
On July 02 2011 23:54 Bobster wrote: That is incorrect. Everyone is eligible for the Code S spot, no matter the nationality. Only the 4 (not 3) Code A spots are reserved for non-Koreans. There's normally 3 Code A spots. The 4th Code A spot will only be given if no one of the top 3 accepts the code S spot, or if all top 3 are already in Code S. | ||
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Executor1
1353 Posts
On July 02 2011 07:32 ptbl wrote: Losira and MC declined to go to MLG Anaheim? They would have been seeded into chapionship pool play, which would have been very good for them. I'm very surprised that MC decided not to go. He's been going to a lot of international tournaments. For 5k its hardly worth it , i mean a flight probably costs a 3rd of that plus hotels etc thats like half your money right there. Im surprised so many people critisize code a and then not MLG , mlg is almost as bad for prize pools (the difference in the total prize pool of the 2 is only 2k, MLG is just alot more top heavy) but with korea its more about the experience you get a month all expenses paid and it only takes 5 days to know weather your in the round of 8 for the up and down matches or not then you can choose to stay and practice or go home. Honestly though for MLG its not like koreans are going to gain a bunch in terms of training experiences their team houses are much better for that, so the only thing going for MLG is the prize pool and if it hardly pays your expenses for first then it surely isnt worth it. Obviously the same can be said for travelling on your own to try and qualify for code a, but at least you have a place to stay for free, and you will get training experience unmatched anywhere else in the world Like alot of the players travelling to korea have said, "its a time investment in me as a player to get better" | ||
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InvalidID
United States1050 Posts
On July 03 2011 05:16 Executor1 wrote: For 5k its hardly worth it , i mean a flight probably costs a 3rd of that plus hotels etc thats like half your money right there. Im surprised so many people critisize code a and then not MLG , mlg is almost as bad for prize pools (the difference in the total prize pool of the 2 is only 2k, MLG is just alot more top heavy) but with korea its more about the experience you get a month all expenses paid and it only takes 5 days to know weather your in the round of 8 for the up and down matches or not then you can choose to stay and practice or go home. Honestly though for MLG its not like koreans are going to gain a bunch in terms of training experiences their team houses are much better for that, so the only thing going for MLG is the prize pool and if it hardly pays your expenses for first then it surely isnt worth it. Obviously the same can be said for travelling on your own to try and qualify for code a, but at least you have a place to stay for free, and you will get training experience unmatched anywhere else in the world Like alot of the players travelling to korea have said, "its a time investment in me as a player to get better" It is not about the prize pool, it is about the exposure. MLG provides a 400 dollar stipend for members of the "Professional Players Association," whichever players those may be, which should cover a good deal of the expenses for anyone in the US. 5k is indeed not a huge sum, but if you are a sponsored player you are expected to represent your sponsors at high profile events like MLG, and that is where the payoff is. Right now it is not really worth it for the Korean players to go to MLG on their own accord: it is a large investment for some exposure, but with the exchange program, they don't have to worry about the investment. The national championship is 50,000 for first place, which is quite reasonable, to travel internationally for. | ||
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Shichibukai
Sweden355 Posts
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gosu86
208 Posts
code b FTW!!! | ||
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Chenz
Sweden1197 Posts
On July 03 2011 06:14 Shichibukai wrote: How come MMA isn't seeded? Not sure exactly how many points are awarded per rank, but with only 2 MLG's this year, he should only be behind Naniwa? MMA is seeded third (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Rankings), behind Naniwa and Idra, though I have no idea what means going into Anaheim. Are koreans not allowed to enter MLG because of their seed, seeing as MMA is not seeded, but he's going as an GSL invite? Or is there something else to it? | ||
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pusmoh
Germany75 Posts
On July 03 2011 06:37 Chenz wrote: MMA is seeded third (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Rankings), behind Naniwa and Idra, though I have no idea what means going into Anaheim. Are koreans not allowed to enter MLG because of their seed, seeing as MMA is not seeded, but he's going as an GSL invite? Or is there something else to it? If they come on their own, they get seeded according to their MLG rank points. If they are invited, each of the invites is placed in a different pool according to GSL points (best in pool d, worst in pool a). MLG points are ignored in this case. So if MMA hadn't been invited again, but came on his own, he would've been placed top of pool C as he's #3 seed. | ||
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Bobster
Germany3075 Posts
On July 03 2011 05:08 pusmoh wrote: Or if the winner is a Korean, which is what the discussion was about (Boxer getting Code S) There's normally 3 Code A spots. The 4th Code A spot will only be given if no one of the top 3 accepts the code S spot, or if all top 3 are already in Code S. .If Code S status is awarded to a Korean player, or not awarded at all, Code A status also will be awarded to the 4th highest placing non-Korean player. | ||
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Coolwhip
927 Posts
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skrzmark
United States1528 Posts
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tyCe
Australia2542 Posts
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DarkRise
1644 Posts
On July 03 2011 07:11 Coolwhip wrote: Odd that Incontrol is still in it. Didn't he end outside the top 16 even in the last MLG. The tourney should be more inviting to fresh blood imo. its by points, Control secure his spot from past MLGs | ||
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Shichibukai
Sweden355 Posts
On July 03 2011 06:51 pusmoh wrote: If they come on their own, they get seeded according to their MLG rank points. If they are invited, each of the invites is placed in a different pool according to GSL points (best in pool d, worst in pool a). MLG points are ignored in this case. So if MMA hadn't been invited again, but came on his own, he would've been placed top of pool C as he's #3 seed. But why would MLG invite MMA again through the exchange program when he's already seeded? It just means we miss out on a "new" korean invite. If he came on his own I guess he wouldn't get everything paid for by MLG though. :/ | ||
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Ansalem
564 Posts
On July 03 2011 07:34 Shichibukai wrote: But why would MLG invite MMA again through the exchange program when he's already seeded? It just means we miss out on a "new" korean invite. If he came on his own I guess he wouldn't get everything paid for by MLG though. :/ It's more likely he wouldn't come at all without the invite, since MC, Losira, and Moon all declined to come despite being seeded. (Moon was 17th, but the pools went all the way down to 21st before filling) MLG wanted to invite him to defend his title. So think of it as getting MMA as one of the four Korean invites instead of four new Koreans rather than missing out on seeing MMA in addition to four more Koreans. | ||
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Coolwhip
927 Posts
On July 03 2011 07:34 DarkRise wrote: its by points, Control secure his spot from past MLGs I know, but I think it's a pretty flawed system. | ||
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Sumwar
Canada199 Posts
So yea it isn't worth it for a player who isn't on a team but if you're on a team it is worth it. Don't underestimate the sheer number of viewers. MLG is so freaking popular. | ||
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Gentso
United States2218 Posts
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Sumwar
Canada199 Posts
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MCDayC
United Kingdom14464 Posts
On July 03 2011 08:00 Coolwhip wrote: I know, but I think it's a pretty flawed system. I agree that the system has flaws, but Incontrol came 4th and 17th in this years two MLGs. He obviously has done enough to earn his spot. | ||
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furymonkey
New Zealand1587 Posts
On July 03 2011 08:01 Sumwar wrote: I keep seeing people in threads talk about how it isn't worth it for a player to be sent to a tournament because the prize money isn't high. Mr. Scoots talked about this on the most recent I think live on three and he said that it is worth it to send players to a very popular tournament because the exposure that the players get (making sponsors happy) will benefit them enough to cover the costs of flying them over there. So yea it isn't worth it for a player who isn't on a team but if you're on a team it is worth it. Don't underestimate the sheer number of viewers. MLG is so freaking popular. But also note the sponsor's target audience. It wouldn't be a problem for US players since their sponsors are aiming for US market and MLG is an US event. Of cause there will be people streaming from other countries but the numbers and exposure just might not be worth it. | ||
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shockaslim
United States1105 Posts
On July 03 2011 08:48 MCDayC wrote: I agree that the system has flaws, but Incontrol came 4th and 17th in this years two MLGs. He obviously has done enough to earn his spot. Going from 4th to 17th is a really big jump. He did enough to keep his spot the first time, the second time he did not. | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
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stangstang
Canada281 Posts
On July 03 2011 10:34 iNcontroL wrote: lolol | ||
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FT.aCt)Sony
United States1048 Posts
On July 03 2011 05:01 Liquid`Jinro wrote: Going from Korea is about 2x the price I think. Although maybe west coast makes it more similiar for euros hm. Through Sidestep / Kayak: If you leave out of Incheon (ICN) and fly to LAX round trip departing on the 25th of July (figure a nice 14-20 hour flight depending on stops + some rest time from the trip) and leaving on the first of August will be about $16012 from what I can get from multiple airlines. We'll say Frankfurt Germany to LAX with the same dates will run $1621 from multiple airlines. Not really that much of a difference in price considering Frankfurt is about 1000 miles less than leaving from Incheon. I hope this helps a few people that are traveling. | ||
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Usagi
Spain1647 Posts
Thesystem is allright as it is. | ||
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Elem
Sweden4717 Posts
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Tofugrinder
Austria899 Posts
On July 03 2011 10:31 shockaslim wrote: Going from 4th to 17th is a really big jump. He did enough to keep his spot the first time, the second time he did not. you're basically saying that the top16 from the last event should be the 16 seeds for the next events. Which means anyone doing great for a whole year and having a small slump on one MLG is out of the tournament while another player beeing 16th every mlg always gets a seed. Seems kinda unfair to me. it's pretty obvious to me that 4th and 17th combined is enough to be in the top16 | ||
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shockaslim
United States1105 Posts
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Psyqo
United States401 Posts
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TemplarCo.
Mexico2870 Posts
On July 02 2011 07:09 NexUmbra wrote: hahaha it does actually look like MLG really loves to make teamkills... Yeah group A is going to be a heart break to watch. On topic: The groups looks very nice still to bad for the team kills, I wonder where will Boxer be placed... | ||
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Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
On July 03 2011 10:31 shockaslim wrote: Going from 4th to 17th is a really big jump. He did enough to keep his spot the first time, the second time he did not. 4th and 17th should EASILY be enough for top 16. | ||
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GMonster
686 Posts
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Liight
Iceland103 Posts
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AxelTVx
Canada916 Posts
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morx
Sweden12 Posts
Also for the thorzain fanboys, hes probably not going to anaheim now since he said in an interview that he will only go to future mlg's if he gets a seed. User was warned for this post | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On July 04 2011 05:56 morx wrote: Makes me pissed that a bad player like machine gets seeded but not thorzain. Also for the thorzain fanboys, hes probably not going to anaheim now since he said in an interview that he will only go to future mlg's if he gets a seed. pssssssssssssst read the thread! | ||
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MechKing
United States3004 Posts
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2par
Norway129 Posts
example, MC is not invited by GSL, he can travel at his own expense, but he will not be seeded, even tho he is top 16. | ||
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udgnim
United States8024 Posts
On July 04 2011 06:06 2par wrote: what about the koreans that are top 16, if they want to come (and cover the trip themselfes) are these points not counted, or are they not allowed? some small print i am missing? example, MC is not invited by GSL, he can travel at his own expense, but he will not be seeded, even tho he is top 16. I'm pretty sure there's a deadline for players to sign up to attend MLG Anaheim. I don't know what that deadline date is for MLG Anaheim though. | ||
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coolcor
520 Posts
On July 04 2011 06:06 2par wrote: what about the koreans that are top 16, if they want to come (and cover the trip themselfes) are these points not counted, or are they not allowed? some small print i am missing? example, MC is not invited by GSL, he can travel at his own expense, but he will not be seeded, even tho he is top 16. MC would be seeded if he had confirmed he was coming before now. Now that MLG made the groups if he does decide to come later me must play through the open bracket. Just like Huk lost his seeded spot at Dallas by deciding to come to late even though he had the points. I don't know why MLG must create the groups now especially since the person people would most likely want to practise against (GSL invite) are not revealed yet all it does is punish the Korean players who did not lose in the first week. | ||
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FT.aCt)Sony
United States1048 Posts
On July 04 2011 06:09 udgnim wrote: I'm pretty sure there's a deadline for players to sign up to attend MLG Anaheim. I don't know what that deadline date is for MLG Anaheim though. Registration stops at 11:59pm ET on the monday, 4 days prior to the tournament start. So for this MLG event, it'll end on the 25th at 11:59pm ET. | ||
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akaname
United Kingdom599 Posts
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Count9
China10928 Posts
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aderum
Sweden1459 Posts
On July 04 2011 06:51 akaname wrote: sorry have i missed something... why gosuhuk not liquidhuk? try reading the thread, you will find the answer. Tip, its on the first page. | ||
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akaname
United Kingdom599 Posts
On July 04 2011 07:00 aderum wrote: try reading the thread, you will find the answer. Tip, its on the first page. lol thanks - i got about 10 posts in before i got confused, posted, then figured it out anyway and forgot to delete my post. I hope HUK wins. | ||
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ShatterZer0
United States1843 Posts
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Ponyo
United States1231 Posts
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Denzil
United Kingdom4193 Posts
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On July 04 2011 07:26 Denzil wrote: I'm not sure why the Koreans would decline to go. Unless it's way more expensive than I thought for Korea -> USA? Someone posted its ~$1600 round trip but this doesnt include hotel and food and stuff. Also, MC and Losira are still in the GSL at this point, so there's no point in signing up for MLG if you can't attend. | ||
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Denzil
United Kingdom4193 Posts
On July 04 2011 07:27 Shellshock1122 wrote: Someone posted its ~$1600 round trip but this doesnt include hotel and food and stuff. Also, MC and Losira are still in the GSL at this point, so there's no point in signing up for MLG if you can't attend. Doesn't GSL take a break for the MLG event? | ||
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Nighthawks28
United States232 Posts
GSL July finals happens during the first night of MLG Anaheim | ||
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Slakkoo
Sweden1119 Posts
and also why is HuK named as GosuHuK? | ||
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Nighthawks28
United States232 Posts
On July 04 2011 07:32 Slakkoo wrote: I love the first group haha, go Nani! and also why is HuK named as GosuHuK? That's what he originally signed up as. You also see IdrA1 and sockeh | ||
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Bobster
Germany3075 Posts
On July 04 2011 07:26 Denzil wrote: Flight + hotel + onsite expenses are easily upwards of ~2100$ per player. Plus the opportunity cost of missed practice time and added stress (jetlag) on the player. I'm not sure why the Koreans would decline to go. Unless it's way more expensive than I thought for Korea -> USA? I personally think it's important for players to travel as much as possible and gain new experiences, but it's obviously up to the teams to consider sending players over a worthwhile investment. | ||
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Titusmaster6
United States5937 Posts
but the rest of the pools look quite promising. | ||
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PeZuY
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On July 04 2011 02:38 Psyqo wrote: Machine is not facing incontrol right away? I can't believe my eyes! GL Machine. You know they're going to be matched up in the Championship bracket. | ||
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RezChi
Canada2368 Posts
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FT.aCt)Sony
United States1048 Posts
On July 04 2011 07:27 Shellshock1122 wrote: Someone posted its ~$1600 round trip but this doesnt include hotel and food and stuff. Also, MC and Losira are still in the GSL at this point, so there's no point in signing up for MLG if you can't attend. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=239512¤tpage=18#357 Link above for my post on airfare from Korea to LAX and from Germany to LAX. As for hotels/food, you will spend $129 a night if you stay at the Anaheim Hilton with the average rate of price per meal would be $10. $387 for 3 nights aside from taxes with $90 for meal aside from taxes. $516 for 4 nights aside from taxes with $120 for meals aside from taxes. The sales tax rate in California is 9.25%. With that sales tax you will spend $422.80 for hotel fees for a night with $98.32 for meals for a total of $521.12 for three days worth. Overall you'll be spending less than $2200 round-trip with hotel, food and air-fare. | ||
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