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This isn't going to turn into another LoL vs (all other games apparently) thread. You can speak your mind about the selection of games but keep it civil.
ZeeMan
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia66 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-27 14:51:20
June 27 2011 14:49 GMT
#41
I play a lot of LoL and its definitely fun, but its not a good esport. Quake live has a tonne more skill.
Philo
Profile Joined September 2010
United States337 Posts
June 27 2011 14:51 GMT
#42
On June 27 2011 23:38 th3_great wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2011 23:34 Atlasy wrote:
On June 27 2011 23:31 Der_Magen wrote:
well quake is a really fascinating game and i love to see some ql matches from time to time but i guess u have to go where the viewers go.... LoL season 1 finals had about 200k viewers at the same time

Yes. But why? Because they inject the stream in the game client. If blizz do this the same way, maybe starcraft 2 reach 500 000 if the WOW client gets the stream also


actually, the stream itself wasnt playing on the game client, it was just a link that opened to the riot website which had the stream on it. only those who were actually watching that stream, on various embeds, would count as viewers. the same stream was embedded on lots of websites though, so they could've picked up viewers that way. Either way though, LoL still got lots of viewers, far more viewers than SC2, and thats something we should respect.



I gots no respect for LOL It's like poker: where good SC players go to die.

I think there will be less interest between the scenes with IEM using these games. Not many people from another game are very likely to turn on a CS stream. Likewise I think most SC2 players either already play LOL or just dont care to indulge because DOTA clones suck. I think It kind of shows in the screenshots their using for marketing all showing SC2.
But, IEM will be awesome regardless if only for SC2. Cant Wait!
Other people do 24 hour streams. I just let GoOdy play a Bo11 TvT. - Special Endrey
zocktol
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany1928 Posts
June 27 2011 14:52 GMT
#43
Hmm QL gone and LoL added.

On the one hand i am suprised that they removed one of the most skillfull games from IEM. On the other hand, looking from a marketing perspective, it might be the better thing for IEM.
Judging from the Dreamhack Stream, LoL draws a LOT of viewers, at least via stream, compared to QL and even SC2. Might be that Intel also had a word to say there, cause they sponsor the whole event series.

Sad to see the oldest of ESPORTS leave one of the mainstages of broadcasting T_T
busbarn
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden984 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-27 14:58:11
June 27 2011 14:54 GMT
#44
They should probably start to pay out prize money they haven't paid yet. They still owe Na'Vi 90,000$. Which is ALOT.
TArujo
Profile Joined September 2009
Portugal1687 Posts
June 27 2011 14:55 GMT
#45
i guess we will see QL in side tournament like they had wc3 in last asian IEM qualifier so its not that bad i guess
MrBitter
Profile Joined January 2008
United States2940 Posts
June 27 2011 14:57 GMT
#46
I think the inclusion of LoL is both smart and necessary.

As a Starcraft fan, watching LoL does not seem as exciting or even as easy to follow, but no one can really question the game's popularity.

At the end of the day, e-sports doesn't stop with Starcraft. If, through LoL's inclusion, we get more people watching ESL, or MLG, or what-have-you, we're essentially breathing life straight into the scene.

More games, more viewers, more growth. I'm stoked for this IEM circuit.
Tofugrinder
Profile Joined September 2010
Austria899 Posts
June 27 2011 14:57 GMT
#47
how could they remove Quake live... and then replace it with crap like LoL
legaton
Profile Joined December 2010
France1763 Posts
June 27 2011 14:59 GMT
#48
Meww, i would rather see some DOTA than a bad clone as LoL
No GG, No Skill - Jaedong <3
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10891 Posts
June 27 2011 14:59 GMT
#49
Quake Live has like no community?

I like Quake, watching a stream makes me dizzy... But i actually every time wondered why it actually was still in tournaments with that small of a community? I'm kinda sad that it's gone now but understand it completly.

But why LoL? Is there seriously no better alternative at the moment? WTF?
zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
June 27 2011 15:00 GMT
#50
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th3_great
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom429 Posts
June 27 2011 15:00 GMT
#51
On June 27 2011 23:51 Philo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2011 23:38 th3_great wrote:
On June 27 2011 23:34 Atlasy wrote:
On June 27 2011 23:31 Der_Magen wrote:
well quake is a really fascinating game and i love to see some ql matches from time to time but i guess u have to go where the viewers go.... LoL season 1 finals had about 200k viewers at the same time

Yes. But why? Because they inject the stream in the game client. If blizz do this the same way, maybe starcraft 2 reach 500 000 if the WOW client gets the stream also


actually, the stream itself wasnt playing on the game client, it was just a link that opened to the riot website which had the stream on it. only those who were actually watching that stream, on various embeds, would count as viewers. the same stream was embedded on lots of websites though, so they could've picked up viewers that way. Either way though, LoL still got lots of viewers, far more viewers than SC2, and thats something we should respect.



I gots no respect for LOL It's like poker: where good SC players go to die.

I think there will be less interest between the scenes with IEM using these games. Not many people from another game are very likely to turn on a CS stream. Likewise I think most SC2 players either already play LOL or just dont care to indulge because DOTA clones suck. I think It kind of shows in the screenshots their using for marketing all showing SC2.
But, IEM will be awesome regardless if only for SC2. Cant Wait!


and yet loads of people still watch both things. you dont have to like it, but you still have to acknowledge that more people watched LoL (and poker i guess) than SC2. Dreamhack showed that loads of people watched LoL because it was a unique thing, and they advertised it really well on their website, game client, facebook etc etc, whereas i have to get all my sc2 tournament info from TL, but this is mainly a dev. problem, not a game one. I think when the next IEM comes around you'll see even more people watching both sc2 and LoL
did you read the script?
Cofo
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1388 Posts
June 27 2011 15:06 GMT
#52
I don't hate LoL, but QL is so much more competitive and fun to watch (IMO). My guess is that they wanted to add some variety, since CS and QL are both FPS. Now they have 1 RTS, 1FPS, and 1 of whatever genre LoL is. (MOBA? lol)
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MartinN
Profile Joined April 2011
Spain307 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-27 15:10:37
June 27 2011 15:07 GMT
#53
I dont understand why so surprised, quake is already remove of WCG and ESWC, and now ESL, so no quake in "the big three". The game is more dead than live in global esports events since years ago.
zaii
Profile Joined October 2010
Guam2611 Posts
June 27 2011 15:08 GMT
#54
On June 28 2011 00:00 zeru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2011 23:59 Velr wrote:
Quake Live has like no community?

I like Quake, watching a stream makes me dizzy... But i actually every time wondered why it actually was still in tournaments with that small of a community? I'm kinda sad that it's gone now but understand it completly.

But why LoL? Is there seriously no better alternative at the moment? WTF?

LoL attracts most viewers. Not sure what else they would or even could pick.


Wow had a shit ton of viewers what happened now?

I fear the same will happen to LoL.
Termit
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden3466 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-27 15:11:16
June 27 2011 15:09 GMT
#55
Sure LoL is free, but don't you have to like buy heroes and items in LoL to not get raped in games when the skill level is higher? If so, it feels kinda wierd to have "esport game" where you are forced to buy shit to play on the same terms as the others.

Like in WoW when it was a "esport game", it fucking sucked shit because some teams had the best items etc.
( ̄。 ̄)~zzz ◕ ◡ ◕
PrimeTimey
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada369 Posts
June 27 2011 15:10 GMT
#56
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Der_Magen
Profile Joined April 2009
182 Posts
June 27 2011 15:17 GMT
#57
On June 28 2011 00:09 Termit wrote:
Sure LoL is free, but don't you have to like buy heroes and items in LoL to not get raped in games when the skill level is higher? If so, it feels kinda wierd to have "esport game" where you are forced to buy shit to play on the same terms as the others.

Like in WoW when it was a "esport game", it fucking sucked shit because some teams had the best items etc.



it's not that bad... there is a ingame currency that u get for playing the game with which you can buy champions and runes and stuff...( the only thing you would need to pay for are skins..)
TBO
Profile Joined September 2009
Germany1350 Posts
June 27 2011 15:17 GMT
#58
On June 27 2011 23:25 Slasher wrote:
Quake removed - you are DEAD to me Carmac.

Quake (and Counter-Strike) are the games that created the term eSports in the first place - not Korean Starcraft. The Quake series has had consistent tournament since 1997 when Thresh won John Carmack's ferrari. It deserves to stay.


While I agree that it sucks that QL isn't in anymore, why is there no QL in MLG
BobMcJohnson
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
France2916 Posts
June 27 2011 15:19 GMT
#59
On June 28 2011 00:09 Termit wrote:
Sure LoL is free, but don't you have to like buy heroes and items in LoL to not get raped in games when the skill level is higher? If so, it feels kinda wierd to have "esport game" where you are forced to buy shit to play on the same terms as the others.

Like in WoW when it was a "esport game", it fucking sucked shit because some teams had the best items etc.


Well the money isn't really an argument, take SC2, you cant even play without paying, and for the price of sc2 in LoL you get more than enough stuff to be competitive, this and the fact that you can get any non cosmetic item by playing the game, even if it takes quite a bit of time.

That said I agree that even if I barely ever played Quake, and spent quite a few hours on LoL i'd watch a Quake stream over a LoL stream any day. But well, i guess they show the games that attracts the most viewers.
Romanes eunt domus
Ocedic
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1808 Posts
June 27 2011 15:19 GMT
#60
I don't really like LoL, but who cares? The game there could be Barbie's Horse Adventures and it would make no difference to us, who presumably are watching for SC2. If people want to watch LoL then let them, and clearly a lot of people do.
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