ESL announces Extreme Masters VI (IEM)

On June 27 2011 23:20 GTR wrote:
what a travesty that quake live was shafted for league of legends.

i guess riot are pouring the money in for the game to be a major ESPORTS title.

On June 27 2011 23:25 Slasher wrote:
Quake removed - you are DEAD to me Carmac.

Quake (and Counter-Strike) are the games that created the term eSports in the first place - not Korean Starcraft. The Quake series has had consistent tournament since 1997 when Thresh won John Carmack's ferrari. It deserves to stay.

On June 27 2011 23:24 MartinN wrote:
five different continents...mm

europe
asia
north america
south america
Oceania ?

On June 27 2011 23:22 labbe wrote:
WHAT? LoL instead of QL? What is happening to this world...

On June 27 2011 23:28 Dust14 wrote:

Not much really, money rules the world today and guess what Riot has to spare.
Still a sad thing to happen, I really like watching QL

On June 27 2011 23:27 Atlasy wrote:

:D Not continents, countries! So i guess Germany, French, Spain, Poland aaanndd i dont know, hopefuly Hungary
Edit: Ukraine

On June 27 2011 23:27 Atlasy wrote:
:D Not continents, countries! So i guess Germany, French, Spain, Poland aaanndd i dont know, hopefuly Hungary
Edit: Ukraine

On June 27 2011 23:31 Der_Magen wrote:
well quake is a really fascinating game and i love to see some ql matches from time to time but i guess u have to go where the viewers go.... LoL season 1 finals had about 200k viewers at the same time

On June 27 2011 23:27 zeru wrote:
Sadly, they take in the games that are most popular. QL isnt popular. It's understandable. LoL is huge.

On June 27 2011 23:34 Atlasy wrote:

Yes. But why? Because they inject the stream in the game client. If blizz do this the same way, maybe starcraft 2 reach 500 000 if the WOW client gets the stream also

On June 27 2011 23:38 th3_great wrote:


actually, the stream itself wasnt playing on the game client, it was just a link that opened to the riot website which had the stream on it. only those who were actually watching that stream, on various embeds, would count as viewers. the same stream was embedded on lots of websites though, so they could've picked up viewers that way. Either way though, LoL still got lots of viewers, far more viewers than SC2, and thats something we should respect.

On June 27 2011 23:51 Philo wrote:


I gots no respect for LOL It's like poker: where good SC players go to die.

I think there will be less interest between the scenes with IEM using these games. Not many people from another game are very likely to turn on a CS stream. Likewise I think most SC2 players either already play LOL or just dont care to indulge because DOTA clones suck. I think It kind of shows in the screenshots their using for marketing all showing SC2.
But, IEM will be awesome regardless if only for SC2. Cant Wait!

On June 28 2011 00:00 zeru wrote:

LoL attracts most viewers. Not sure what else they would or even could pick.

On June 28 2011 00:09 Termit wrote:
Sure LoL is free, but don't you have to like buy heroes and items in LoL to not get raped in games when the skill level is higher? If so, it feels kinda wierd to have "esport game" where you are forced to buy shit to play on the same terms as the others.

Like in WoW when it was a "esport game", it fucking sucked shit because some teams had the best items etc.

On June 27 2011 23:25 Slasher wrote:
Quake removed - you are DEAD to me Carmac.

Quake (and Counter-Strike) are the games that created the term eSports in the first place - not Korean Starcraft. The Quake series has had consistent tournament since 1997 when Thresh won John Carmack's ferrari. It deserves to stay.

On June 28 2011 00:09 Termit wrote:
Sure LoL is free, but don't you have to like buy heroes and items in LoL to not get raped in games when the skill level is higher? If so, it feels kinda wierd to have "esport game" where you are forced to buy shit to play on the same terms as the others.

Like in WoW when it was a "esport game", it fucking sucked shit because some teams had the best items etc.

On June 28 2011 00:09 Termit wrote:
Sure LoL is free, but don't you have to like buy heroes and items in LoL to not get raped in games when the skill level is higher? If so, it feels kinda wierd to have "esport game" where you are forced to buy shit to play on the same terms as the others.

Like in WoW when it was a "esport game", it fucking sucked shit because some teams had the best items etc.

On June 28 2011 00:09 Termit wrote:
Sure LoL is free, but don't you have to like buy heroes and items in LoL to not get raped in games when the skill level is higher? If so, it feels kinda wierd to have "esport game" where you are forced to buy shit to play on the same terms as the others.

Like in WoW when it was a "esport game", it fucking sucked shit because some teams had the best items etc.

On June 27 2011 23:49 ZeeMan wrote:
I play a lot of LoL and its definitely fun, but its not a good esport. Quake live has a tonne more skill.

On June 28 2011 00:25 Hoon wrote:
Well, LoL gets 100k+ views by embedding their stream into the game, which makes their championship look big. <_<
It's a shame that a skillfull game like QL got removed and replaced by an imbalanced game just to bring them more money.
If they removed QL for BLC, it would be understandable..

On June 28 2011 00:00 th3_great wrote:


and yet loads of people still watch both things. you dont have to like it, but you still have to acknowledge that more people watched LoL (and poker i guess) than SC2. Dreamhack showed that loads of people watched LoL because it was a unique thing, and they advertised it really well on their website, game client, facebook etc etc, whereas i have to get all my sc2 tournament info from TL, but this is mainly a dev. problem, not a game one. I think when the next IEM comes around you'll see even more people watching both sc2 and LoL

On June 28 2011 00:00 zeru wrote:

LoL attracts most viewers. Not sure what else they would or even could pick.

On June 28 2011 00:26 Shikyo wrote:

They don't embed anything, it's a picture hyperlink and if you click it it opens the webpage with the stream, if you don't click nothing happens.

Also, every MOBA is imbalanced because of having like 100 different champions, hell even BLC is imbalanced. LoL balance is actually pretty good compared to both HoN and DotA.

On June 28 2011 00:32 babishh wrote:

They didn't pick LoL because of the viewers factor, but because Riot (LoL's producer) spends ton of money in advertising and promoting.
Mine is just an assumption, most likely to be the truth.

On June 28 2011 00:32 Hoon wrote:

Meh I've heard they put a stream inside the game for Dreamhack. :p
I've never played HoN, but I think that LoL is more imba than DotA, just because they keep adding more and more heroes to the game. It's really hard to keep it balanced when they keep changing their game. <_<

On June 28 2011 00:32 babishh wrote:

They didn't pick LoL because of the viewers factor, but because Riot (LoL's producer) spends ton of money in advertising and promoting.
Mine is just an assumption, most likely to be the truth.

On June 28 2011 00:27 Philo wrote:


More people watching LOL than SC2 at one event doesn't make it a legitimate esport for me or I'd imagine for a sponsor (Though there's been plenty of buildup showing a sponser can expect a ROI from sponsoring a major LOL tourney). From what I know about LOL players many of them don't have a huge interest in the game at a competitive level. There isn't the same star value and hype around an LOL competiotion as there is in SC2 and catupulting it over more deserving games in the name of money for events now now as opposed to possible ROI later through giving better games time to grow simply makes me sad that the definition of ESPORTS seems to be games that make money as opposed to games that are established, competitive and fun to watch.

BTW SC2 tourney info is displayed by Blizzard in a menu on your welcome screen when you log onto SC2. I personally have Starcraft 2 liked on Facebook so before every tournament and whenever they make a balance announement I'm notified before its even posted on TL. Not to mention wellplayed and SCreddit. I dont think It's likely that another game has tourney info as easily accessible as Blizzard makes SC2.

On June 28 2011 00:35 zocktol wrote:


Afaik the same is true for HoN. Dota is basically not endorsed by anybody, so until DotA 2 comes out, for this style of game, LoL or HoN are the way to go. And LoL seems to have a bigger following.

On June 28 2011 00:41 CoR wrote:
thank god no more quake rly not understand that game so bad grafic so bad gameplay cant understand it was still in

i am looking for this event and hope that the sc2 part will be as great as mlg or dreamhack

On June 27 2011 23:17 TArujo wrote:
i feel so bad they removed Quake Live to replace it with League of Legends -.-

bah atleast we have sc2

On June 27 2011 23:27 Atlasy wrote:

:D Not continents, countries! So i guess Germany, French, Spain, Poland aaanndd i dont know, hopefuly Hungary
Edit: Ukraine

On June 27 2011 23:33 clusen wrote:
I bet there will be atleast one stop in Asia and atleast one stop in America like the last time.
Germany is a pretty safe bet tho, IEM Hannover was amazing with such a huge crowd.

On June 28 2011 00:45 Tidus Mino wrote:
Germany, France, Britain, Sweden, Ukraine is my bet

On June 28 2011 00:41 CoR wrote:
thank god no more quake rly not understand that game so bad grafic so bad gameplay cant understand it was still in

i am looking for this event and hope that the sc2 part will be as great as mlg or dreamhack

On June 28 2011 00:46 Laids wrote:
League of legends is a horrible game to spectate, you could never have played QL and understand what was going on, LoL is a good game but it's nowhere near as skillful as QL. Really hope ESL don't start phasing QL out of the other tournies.

On June 28 2011 00:43 Slayer91 wrote:
At least we still have Joe commentating, even if its not on quake any more xD.

On June 28 2011 00:39 sermokala wrote:



now heres the real tricky part. Riot isn't spending all that money beacuse they don't have it they're so new as a studio they can't afford a 100k tourney and all the costs of shipping 6 teams and getting a place there at dreamhack. Its activision though blizzard thats bankrolling lol and its probably going to keep getting crazier and crazier as time goes on.

On June 28 2011 00:38 Xeris wrote:
QL has the same 3 people winning every single tournament ever. Rapha, Cypher, Coollerr or w/e. Especially when the overall popularity of the game is declining, having such a stagnant core of top players makes it very uninteresting.

On June 28 2011 01:28 Iskusstvo wrote: At this point, what LoL really needs is some people equivalent to HD or Husky, who can do exciting coverage with getting bogged down in the specific depths and detailed subtleties to draw people in who can then move onto the more in-depth coverage, as Day[9] does in SC2.

On June 28 2011 01:09 Silvanel wrote:
There is so much misinformation concerning LoL, even in this thread. You guys should try it out before criticizing. And yeah, game gets 200k viewers because its terrible from spectator point of view....that makes sens yes?

On June 28 2011 01:09 Silvanel wrote:
There is so much misinformation concerning LoL, even in this thread. You guys should try it out before criticizing. And yeah, game gets 200k viewers because its terrible from spectator point of view....that makes sens yes?

On June 28 2011 01:38 learning wrote:
For all of you fans who aren't aware of the LoL community here in NA and EU, even some in SEA, here are some links to team sites and some have stream-lists (just like TL!) where there are thousands of people watching high-level players (and not so high-level players) just do matchmaking just like we do here at TL for SC2!

Team SoloMid (NA)
Team CLG (NA)
Team SK (EU)
Team Fnatic (EU)

LoL is VERY popular right now, in fact, every single one of my friends who plays PC games has tried it and i'd say a good 40-60% of those still play casually.

You can even check out any of the forums at the League of Legends site and you will see there is as much controversy over pro players and tournament results as you do at most E-sports sites.

Heck, even general interest sites like reddit and 4chan constantly have threads going about LoL strategy and player discussion.

League of Legends is a growing e-sport and although Riot IS pumping money into its success, the fans are here and they are excited. Regardless of the methods being used, the popularity of the game cannot be discounted.

Riot is also owned by a large Chinese corporation, with a large amount of capital to invest in this highly popular game. (LoL just came out of Beta in Asia region a little while ago, becoming VERY popular).

On June 28 2011 01:41 clusen wrote:

Yes, it makes sense. If you can't enjoy a game without playing it on a certain level it is bad from a spectator point of view. That applies to LoL or WoW for example.

For Quake or SC2 it does not apply. I know quite a few people who enjoy watching SC2 without even owning the game.

On June 28 2011 01:49 JKira wrote:
Why all the LoL bashing? People really think it's a terrible game? Like literally ALL of my friends and more play LoL and a select few play SC2 on a regular basis with me. Only reason I don't play LoL is because I suck at DoTA type games and don't have the time or dedication to try to get good at them.

On June 28 2011 01:25 Daray wrote:


Flash, Jaedong... sound familiar?

On June 28 2011 01:09 Silvanel wrote:
There is so much misinformation concerning LoL, even in this thread. You guys should try it out before criticizing. And yeah, game gets 200k viewers because its terrible from spectator point of view....that makes sens yes?

On June 28 2011 01:56 Daray wrote:


You're missing the point. Game can be fun and a lot of people might play it but that doesn't mean that it should be pushed as an esport.

On June 28 2011 01:50 Tippecanoe wrote:
Considering LoL got over 20k viewers more than sc2 even it doesn't suprise me that they would remove Quake.

On June 28 2011 02:04 turdburgler wrote:


i thought everyone was saying that the stream counts for lol were heavily bugged by game client / own3d.tv?

On June 28 2011 02:17 learning wrote:


Those are speculations and rumors thanks to the fact that Riot put a splash-page hyperlink for the DH tournament stream in their game client. (People thought it actually streamed in the game client and counted each player logging on their account for LoL as a viewer.... it was just a link to the webpage and only counted viewers who went to the stream...)

I'm not sure why so many people hate on LoL.. Sure its not as complex as DotA/HoN with denial and those runes in the river, but LoL has plenty of the same challenges that any MOBA does.. teamwork, finesse and micro, knowing your champion type, what items to build and when, when to gank a lane, when to push a lane, when to put wards down, when to try for big creep kills...

Everyone makes it seem like LoL takes 0 skill to play, like its some sort of Iphone App... It's a simpler version of classic DotA that allows the individuals to determine the outcome of the games rather than individual+raw luck/exploit knowledge..

I dunno, I really like playing LoL even after playing HoN and DotA, its simpler and its not a bad thing.

On June 28 2011 02:23 Gevna wrote:



You're saying it yourself, LoL is simple, where skill doesn't really matter. So it's a bad thing to replace QL by LoL in a major e-sports tournament.

On June 27 2011 23:30 labbe wrote:

Yeah, well I mean... I never really understood these Dota-games as an Esport. I don't find them entertaining to watch at all. They are fun to play and all, but to watch? No. Maybe that's just me though.

On June 28 2011 02:23 Gevna wrote:



You're saying it yourself, LoL is simple, where skill doesn't really matter. So it's a bad thing to replace QL by LoL in a major e-sports tournament.

On June 28 2011 02:31 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:


League of legends had more than 250k people watching at Dreamhack and they broke 80k for their season one qualifiers. They really put starcraft viewer numbers to shame so while you might not think LoL and other "DotA-games" aren't entertaining to watch I'd put you in the minority.

I enjoy both games personally though so I hope Warpprism has plans of supporting watching sc2 and league at the same time

On June 28 2011 02:36 velocityqt wrote:

i would rather watch paint dry than lol, it might have bigger audience (its new, free, also easy for casuals) but that doesnt change its garbage esport game with almost no competitive gameplay compered to real games like QL

On June 28 2011 02:36 velocityqt wrote:

i would rather watch paint dry than lol, it might have bigger audience (its new, free, also easy for casuals) but that doesnt change its garbage esport game with almost no competitive gameplay compered to real games like QL

On June 28 2011 00:42 Hoon wrote:

Quake is a game that you can't understand by just watching it a couple of times. You have to try and play it for a while, then you get what's going on on the streams.
But once you do, it is as exciting as watching any SC2 stream. It's a tactical FPS game. If you ever try it, you will be addicted. :p
Also, gameplay is perfect, graphics doesn't really matter of a e-sport. D:

On June 28 2011 03:01 SirMilford wrote:
The problem that most people have with LoL is that it is a simplified version of dota. There is a huge difference in skill between the top LoL players and the top HoN/dota players. Just because there are 200k people watching a stream does not make it an esport.

On June 28 2011 01:25 Daray wrote:


Flash, Jaedong... sound familiar?

On June 28 2011 03:41 Xeris wrote:


Why do you think nobody outside Korea cares about BW anymore?

On June 28 2011 02:17 learning wrote:


Those are speculations and rumors thanks to the fact that Riot put a splash-page hyperlink for the DH tournament stream in their game client. (People thought it actually streamed in the game client and counted each player logging on their account for LoL as a viewer.... it was just a link to the webpage and only counted viewers who went to the stream...)

I'm not sure why so many people hate on LoL.. Sure its not as complex as DotA/HoN with denial and those runes in the river, but LoL has plenty of the same challenges that any MOBA does.. teamwork, finesse and micro, knowing your champion type, what items to build and when, when to gank a lane, when to push a lane, when to put wards down, when to try for big creep kills...

Everyone makes it seem like LoL takes 0 skill to play, like its some sort of Iphone App... It's a simpler version of classic DotA that allows the individuals to determine the outcome of the games rather than individual+raw luck/exploit knowledge..

I dunno, I really like playing LoL even after playing HoN and DotA, its simpler and its not a bad thing.

On June 28 2011 03:41 Xeris wrote:


Why do you think nobody outside Korea cares about BW anymore?

On June 28 2011 03:21 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:


The problem that most people have with sc2 is that it is a simplified version of broodwar. There is a huge difference in skill between the top sc2 players and the top brood war players. Just because there are 200k people watching a stream does not make it an esport.

Just because something is easier doesn't mean it's a bad thing.

EDIT: This isn't my view of sc2, but I'm trying to prove a point.

On June 28 2011 04:08 DonKey_ wrote:
People really shouldn't be trying to put down LoL just because they feel it's a "casual" game; this is no WoW arena repeat this game actually has a large viewership believe it or not.

It's easy see why QL was replaced by LoL, because their viewer count is MUCH larger even if the skill required is less. (their Dream Hack viewers were something like 200,000 concurrently<--- not a made up number, google it)

I'm happy for LoL it's amazing a game other than SC2 can bring in numbers like that.

On June 27 2011 23:25 Slasher wrote:
Quake removed - you are DEAD to me Carmac.

Quake (and Counter-Strike) are the games that created the term eSports in the first place - not Korean Starcraft. The Quake series has had consistent tournament since 1997 when Thresh won John Carmack's ferrari. It deserves to stay.

On June 28 2011 04:08 DonKey_ wrote:
People really shouldn't be trying to put down LoL just because they feel it's a "casual" game; this is no WoW arena repeat, this game actually has a large viewership believe it or not.

It's easy see why QL was replaced by LoL, because their viewer count is MUCH larger even if the skill required is less. (their Dream Hack viewers were something like 200,000 concurrently<--- not a made up number, google it)

I'm happy for LoL it's amazing a game other than SC2 can bring in numbers like that.

On June 28 2011 00:17 TBO wrote:


While I agree that it sucks that QL isn't in anymore, why is there no QL in MLG

On June 28 2011 03:01 SirMilford wrote:
Just because there are 200k people watching a stream does not make it an esport.

On June 28 2011 04:08 DonKey_ wrote:
People really shouldn't be trying to put down LoL just because they feel it's a "casual" game; this is no WoW arena repeat, this game actually has a large viewership believe it or not.

It's easy see why QL was replaced by LoL, because their viewer count is MUCH larger even if the skill required is less. (their Dream Hack viewers were something like 200,000 concurrently<--- not a made up number, google it)

I'm happy for LoL it's amazing a game other than SC2 can bring in numbers like that.

On June 28 2011 04:32 headbus wrote:


QL pulls 200k viewers because all the kids who are begging there parents for the latest CoD watch it.

Sad to see QL gone, next they'll be replacing cs 1.6 with some new shitty CoD title because it pulls more viewers.

On June 28 2011 04:25 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:
still its sad that the greatest and most skillful fps still actively beeing playd gets removed for the joke of a game lol is. yeah many play it yeah it has a big viewership. but esports wise its not much better for me then any random needforspeed,fifa or whatever

On June 28 2011 04:25 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:


still its sad that the greatest and most skillful fps still actively beeing playd gets removed for the joke of a game lol is. yeah many play it yeah it has a big viewership. but esports wise its not much better for me then any random needforspeed,fifa or whatever

On June 28 2011 04:37 bokchoi wrote:
People need to stop hating on LoL. If anything they should be commending LoL and Riot for getting into the IEM the way they did. The company is behind their game and are trying to make it an eSport. If more companies showed the dedication to their game that Riot does, eSports would be a lot more developed.

On June 28 2011 04:40 MavercK wrote:


yes. the slowest most boring game of the moba genre. paying their way in. replacing an extremely interesting and technical game.

no totally. esports will thrive if the rich can just make terrible games and pay their way into massive events.

what are you going to say if activision paid modern warfare 3's way into dreamhack replacing starcraft 2?
yes it would never happen but it's no different from this.

On June 28 2011 04:43 SagaZ wrote:
casuals appeal is what make those kind of tournaments, not gameplay, that's exactly why LoL is in ESL. Same goes for sc2

On June 28 2011 04:45 Ketch wrote:
I like the steppes of war image :D.... I liked that map... and I am a Zerg... bit nostalgic I guess

On June 28 2011 04:43 SagaZ wrote:
these comments are so funny
people mad cause they took out QL and put LoL instead, but completly ok with taking out bw and putting sc2.
casuals appeal is what make those kind of tournaments, not gameplay, that's exactly why LoL is in ESL. Same goes for sc2

On June 28 2011 04:43 SagaZ wrote:
these comments are so funny
people mad cause they took out QL and put LoL instead, but completly ok with taking out bw and putting sc2.
casuals appeal is what make those kind of tournaments, not gameplay, that's exactly why LoL is in ESL. Same goes for sc2

On June 28 2011 04:45 bokchoi wrote:


Maybe you don't like it, but 200,000 live at any given time seemed to enjoy it. At the end of the day, if people want eSports to be established it has to go mainstream, which means appealing to a MAINSTREAM audience. As a business model, eSports needs to appeal to the public, sponsors, etc. to make it.

These arguments that technical and interesting games are being replaced by less technical or less competitive games are retarded. Newer games replaced older games all the time, whether they're better or not. If tournament organizers were TRULY concerned about skill and technicality in their games, tournaments would still have SCBW in their games list.

On June 28 2011 03:38 mordk wrote:
I played DotA for many, many years. I played LoL for approximately 50 games. LoL SUCKS. Out of the 2 big clones of DotA (HoN and LoL), LoL is most definitely the worse game. Even when compared to other games of that type, it falls in low standards. It's really oddly paced, requires little skill, and is inferior in so many other things it's even hard to describe.

The only reason it's so wildly popular is because it's FREE, and the only reason it's DH stream got so many viewers is because of the main menu splash into the stream. However, that's not a bad thing at all. If anything, Blizz should copy this idea and put big tournament's stream into the SC2 main menu, right there in your face, include chatrooms with it as well, and you have a winner.

DotA as an e-sport was/is a blast, it requires HUGE amounts of skill and teamwork. Actually, when you see the game and see these teams like Na'Vi, E-HOME, DK, etc, perform those moves you go like "Oh yeah, that looks so fuckin easy", and then when you try it with your teammates it's an utter failure hahaha. It's so incredibly hard to reach the top in DotA it's very comparable to starcraft. LoL however, with it's odd hero movement, and most importantly, with it's incredibly strange game pace, dumbs the game down waaaay too much.

Basically, LoL is a marketing victory, it's like... junk food. It's shit, it's fast, it requires little effort, and it has large marketing around it. A huge win for the developers, a major flaw in the world for hardcore gamers .

On June 28 2011 05:01 SoKHo wrote:
I mean LoL for fun every now and then, but that mean takes no skill -_-

On June 28 2011 04:37 learning wrote:



I'd like to see a group of people who call LoL an "easy no skill game" play on a team against CLG or Fnatic and tell me that its a no-brainer type of game. It requires skill and cooperation just like any other competitive game.

The main difference I see between SC2 and QL compared to LoL is that in SC2 and QL are 1v1, and the teams play a background role (even in team/clan wars, its 1v1 game). In LoL its 5v5 and not everyone is going to be MORE KILLS SO EASY TO WIN.

LoL in casual play is much different from LoL in competitive play IMO

On June 28 2011 05:13 Aurdon wrote:
Half the Quake viewers must be in this thread. A hundred people jumping on the bandwagon saying what a tragedy that is being removed.

How many of you actually watched the Quake competition at the last IEM?

There's your answer as to why it was removed.

On June 28 2011 04:58 stripyMM wrote:

with that logic they should have put angry birds in.

anyways, tnx for all the Quake love TL (majority at least^^)

On June 28 2011 04:36 IMLegend wrote:
not sure if it's been posted but:

<@SyncError|home> LoL paid their way in.
<@SyncError|home> We offered to do the same, but they said they couldn't run 4 games.

syncerror is ID's community manager for quake live

pretty sad day imo.

On June 28 2011 05:15 bokchoi wrote:


I don't know what Angry Birds is, but if its played competitively and sponsors want to get behind it, then by all means, LETS INCLUDE IT!!

Seriously though, I never said there was anything wrong with QL as a game, and I actually played/followed QL a little bit. The game is fun, its technical, its exciting, but the fanbase (??), and/or sponsors(??) weren't there for it. The removal of QL sucks for the Quake/FPS community, but from the perspective of ESL as a tournament organizer and business model, its a no-brainer to add LoL.

On June 28 2011 05:18 Carmac wrote:


He is twisting facts.

On June 28 2011 05:20 GenoZStriker wrote:

Figures. Community managers always do that. .

On June 28 2011 05:20 GenoZStriker wrote:

Figures. Community managers always do that. Haters gonna hate. Look forward to the upcoming season.

On June 28 2011 05:18 MavercK wrote:


you keep getting that wrong tho?
it was posted earlier that lol bought their way into the tournament.
it wasn't ESL getting together and going "ok, quake isn't doing so well, hard time getting sponsers, lets look at replacing it"
it was riot going "well give you a big chunk of money if you make lol a game at ESL"
quake said they'd match it. but obviously already signed the deal with riot and can't have 4 games apparently.

*EDIT*
carmac posting. clear it up pls.

On June 28 2011 05:45 RageBot wrote:
But... is LoL that big? will the viewers stay for a long time? Are there big LoL-only events?

Is there a big (TL level) LoL community?

On June 28 2011 05:49 Like wrote:


200k viewers on DH livestream, free to play.
Nuff said.

On June 28 2011 05:49 Like wrote:


200k viewers on DH livestream, free to play.
Nuff said.

On June 28 2011 05:45 RageBot wrote:
But... is LoL that big? will the viewers stay for a long time? Are there big LoL-only events?

Is there a big (TL level) LoL community?

On June 28 2011 05:51 RageBot wrote:


I've read about it, and if I recall, the stream was featured for everyone playing the game, and that even if pepole didn't watch it, their data was included for the viewership numbers, due to the way the code worked.

On June 28 2011 05:51 RageBot wrote:


I've read about it, and if I recall, the stream was featured for everyone playing the game, and that even if pepole didn't watch it, their data was included for the viewership numbers, due to the way the code worked.

On June 28 2011 05:45 RageBot wrote:
But... is LoL that big? will the viewers stay for a long time? Are there big LoL-only events?

Is there a big (TL level) LoL community?

On June 28 2011 05:17 Pratoss wrote:
so many LoL haters rofl it may be an easier game then DotA and HoN but those two games are nearly dead in the same sense bw (foreigner scene) is as well.

For E-sports to grow you need viewers and HoN and DotA wouldn't get anywhere near the numbers LoL can and most likely will if Riot keeps promoting it.

On June 28 2011 05:56 xkare wrote:


solomid.net is comparable to teamliquid.net. You can't deny it but lol is getting huge at the moment.

On June 28 2011 05:57 proxima_ wrote:



too bad no one wants e-sports to grow if shitty, casual games like LoL are even considered to be 'e-sports'

the only reason LoL gets those numbers is because it's free, not because the game is good, but keep trying

On June 28 2011 05:57 Aurdon wrote:
DJWheat had a great point on that same Lo3.

We bitched and moaned for years that developers don't care enough about their games to really push eSports.

Now Riot is putting money and publicity into eSports and we're balling them out for it. That's incredibly hypocritical.

Some people may not like LoL. Some people may not like the way Riot implements their games and their content. However, they are trying and succeeding in bringing eyeballs and dollars to eSports. It's a good thing for all of competitive gaming.

On June 28 2011 05:45 RageBot wrote:
But... is LoL that big? will the viewers stay for a long time? Are there big LoL-only events?

Is there a big (TL level) LoL community?

On June 28 2011 05:57 proxima_ wrote:



too bad no one wants e-sports to grow if shitty, casual games like LoL are even considered to be 'e-sports'

the only reason LoL gets those numbers is because it's free, not because the game is good, but keep trying

On June 28 2011 06:05 Znoz wrote:
In IEM VII they will replace CS1.6 with CoD.
In IEM VIII sc2 will be replaced with FarmVille.

Or Riots became "official Partners" to IEM (like in WCG) - awesome commercial ... for sh**** game.

On June 27 2011 23:34 Atlasy wrote:

Yes. But why? Because they inject the stream in the game client. If blizz do this the same way, maybe starcraft 2 reach 500 000 if the WOW client gets the stream also