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This isn't going to turn into another LoL vs (all other games apparently) thread. You can speak your mind about the selection of games but keep it civil. |
People really shouldn't be trying to put down LoL just because they feel it's a "casual" game; this is no WoW arena repeat, this game actually has a large viewership believe it or not.
It's easy see why QL was replaced by LoL, because their viewer count is MUCH larger even if the skill required is less. (their Dream Hack viewers were something like 200,000 concurrently<--- not a made up number, google it)
I'm happy for LoL it's amazing a game other than SC2 can bring in numbers like that.
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On June 28 2011 03:21 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 03:01 SirMilford wrote: The problem that most people have with LoL is that it is a simplified version of dota. There is a huge difference in skill between the top LoL players and the top HoN/dota players. Just because there are 200k people watching a stream does not make it an esport. The problem that most people have with sc2 is that it is a simplified version of broodwar. There is a huge difference in skill between the top sc2 players and the top brood war players. Just because there are 200k people watching a stream does not make it an esport. Just because something is easier doesn't mean it's a bad thing. EDIT: This isn't my view of sc2, but I'm trying to prove a point.
I don't think that is a fair comparison. I would say LoL is way more simplified than SC2 though. I think SC2 almost hit the perfect balance between casual friendly and highly competitive. On the other hand, LoL is way too casual friendly for me to take it seriously as a competitive game. After I play about 250ish games on LoL, I felt like I already hit my peak of skill, and that all I needed to do was learn where to ward, random meticulous things, and how to judge certain situations...but as far as actually controlling my individual champion, there didn't seem like room for improvement. And that was kind of a stupid feeling because I knew I was no pro at that game. I cannot say the same for SC2 or HoN.
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LoL will probably be endorsed by Roit again, like in DH, 150k Stream inc. Is the pricepool bigger than the last time?
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Guys, really... I love Quake (played it fpr like half of my life)... but the game is so dead, just some pros are still playing.
So seriously, there is no money in it for anybody - and no matter how naive you are, obv thats not what an organizer needs - anyways, LoL suxx... But can't wait for some more awesome SC2 tourneys =)
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On June 28 2011 04:08 DonKey_ wrote: People really shouldn't be trying to put down LoL just because they feel it's a "casual" game; this is no WoW arena repeat this game actually has a large viewership believe it or not.
It's easy see why QL was replaced by LoL, because their viewer count is MUCH larger even if the skill required is less. (their Dream Hack viewers were something like 200,000 concurrently<--- not a made up number, google it)
I'm happy for LoL it's amazing a game other than SC2 can bring in numbers like that.
It has nothing to do with skill, it has to do with, as you said, viewer count. Quake Live would get ~10,000 views -- maybe. LoL streams pull 200,000 consistently. There is no other logical reason why they would pull QL.
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On June 27 2011 23:25 Slasher wrote: Quake removed - you are DEAD to me Carmac.
Quake (and Counter-Strike) are the games that created the term eSports in the first place - not Korean Starcraft. The Quake series has had consistent tournament since 1997 when Thresh won John Carmack's ferrari. It deserves to stay. doesn't matter what started it, it's whats going to produce the most money at the end of the day, and tbh Quakelive is a pretty stale game, LoL is such a better game competetively
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its a shame that quake isnt in any major event now
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Quite ridiculous that they are replacing QL with LoL. Pouring money into it won't make it a good game.
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On June 28 2011 04:08 DonKey_ wrote: People really shouldn't be trying to put down LoL just because they feel it's a "casual" game; this is no WoW arena repeat, this game actually has a large viewership believe it or not.
It's easy see why QL was replaced by LoL, because their viewer count is MUCH larger even if the skill required is less. (their Dream Hack viewers were something like 200,000 concurrently<--- not a made up number, google it)
I'm happy for LoL it's amazing a game other than SC2 can bring in numbers like that.
still its sad that the greatest and most skillful fps still actively beeing playd gets removed for the joke of a game lol is. yeah many play it yeah it has a big viewership. but esports wise its not much better for me then any random needforspeed,fifa or whatever
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On June 28 2011 00:17 TBO wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2011 23:25 Slasher wrote: Quake removed - you are DEAD to me Carmac.
Quake (and Counter-Strike) are the games that created the term eSports in the first place - not Korean Starcraft. The Quake series has had consistent tournament since 1997 when Thresh won John Carmack's ferrari. It deserves to stay. While I agree that it sucks that QL isn't in anymore, why is there no QL in MLG
Good point to Slasher.... why there is no QL on mlg ?
On June 28 2011 03:01 SirMilford wrote: Just because there are 200k people watching a stream does not make it an esport.
Actually 200k people is very good.
There are teams + ppl want to watch it + it's enjoyable = e-sport ?
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On June 28 2011 04:08 DonKey_ wrote: People really shouldn't be trying to put down LoL just because they feel it's a "casual" game; this is no WoW arena repeat, this game actually has a large viewership believe it or not.
It's easy see why QL was replaced by LoL, because their viewer count is MUCH larger even if the skill required is less. (their Dream Hack viewers were something like 200,000 concurrently<--- not a made up number, google it)
I'm happy for LoL it's amazing a game other than SC2 can bring in numbers like that.
QL pulls 200k viewers because all the kids who are begging there parents for the latest CoD watch it.
Sad to see QL gone, next they'll be replacing cs 1.6 with some new shitty CoD title because it pulls more viewers.
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not sure if it's been posted but:
<@SyncError|home> LoL paid their way in. <@SyncError|home> We offered to do the same, but they said they couldn't run 4 games.
syncerror is ID's community manager for quake live
pretty sad day imo.
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Even though I don't really watch any game besides SC2, whenever I've tuned in to QL it was always awesome because it's so fast paced and it requires a ton of skill. LoL has to be the most boring game out there right now -.-
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On June 28 2011 04:32 headbus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 04:08 DonKey_ wrote: People really shouldn't be trying to put down LoL just because they feel it's a "casual" game; this is no WoW arena repeat, this game actually has a large viewership believe it or not.
It's easy see why QL was replaced by LoL, because their viewer count is MUCH larger even if the skill required is less. (their Dream Hack viewers were something like 200,000 concurrently<--- not a made up number, google it)
I'm happy for LoL it's amazing a game other than SC2 can bring in numbers like that. QL pulls 200k viewers because all the kids who are begging there parents for the latest CoD watch it. Sad to see QL gone, next they'll be replacing cs 1.6 with some new shitty CoD title because it pulls more viewers.
Counter-Strike is impossible to remove
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People need to stop hating on LoL. If anything they should be commending LoL and Riot for getting into the IEM the way they did. The company is behind their game and are trying to make it an eSport. If more companies showed the dedication to their game that Riot does, eSports would be a lot more developed.
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NO
quake live was fascinating can't believe they removed it LoL buy their way into everything, makes me very angry.
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On June 28 2011 04:25 BeMannerDuPenner wrote: still its sad that the greatest and most skillful fps still actively beeing playd gets removed for the joke of a game lol is. yeah many play it yeah it has a big viewership. but esports wise its not much better for me then any random needforspeed,fifa or whatever
You mean Counter-Strike 1.6? Actoualy Fifa was quite good...
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On June 28 2011 04:25 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 04:08 DonKey_ wrote: People really shouldn't be trying to put down LoL just because they feel it's a "casual" game; this is no WoW arena repeat, this game actually has a large viewership believe it or not.
It's easy see why QL was replaced by LoL, because their viewer count is MUCH larger even if the skill required is less. (their Dream Hack viewers were something like 200,000 concurrently<--- not a made up number, google it)
I'm happy for LoL it's amazing a game other than SC2 can bring in numbers like that. still its sad that the greatest and most skillful fps still actively beeing playd gets removed for the joke of a game lol is. yeah many play it yeah it has a big viewership. but esports wise its not much better for me then any random needforspeed,fifa or whatever
I'd like to see a group of people who call LoL an "easy no skill game" play on a team against CLG or Fnatic and tell me that its a no-brainer type of game. It requires skill and cooperation just like any other competitive game.
The main difference I see between SC2 and QL compared to LoL is that in SC2 and QL are 1v1, and the teams play a background role (even in team/clan wars, its 1v1 game). In LoL its 5v5 and not everyone is going to be MORE KILLS SO EASY TO WIN.
LoL in casual play is much different from LoL in competitive play IMO
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