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This isn't going to turn into another LoL vs (all other games apparently) thread. You can speak your mind about the selection of games but keep it civil. | ||
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Benjef
United Kingdom6921 Posts
Stoked for SC2 tho! | ||
Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
On June 28 2011 00:09 Termit wrote: Sure LoL is free, but don't you have to like buy heroes and items in LoL to not get raped in games when the skill level is higher? If so, it feels kinda wierd to have "esport game" where you are forced to buy shit to play on the same terms as the others. Like in WoW when it was a "esport game", it fucking sucked shit because some teams had the best items etc. You can buy EVERYTHING in the game BUT skins (which are just for show) with in game points, which you get by playing. Ofcourse if you are lazy you can buy all that shit with money. WoW was simply a flawed E-sport due to the imbalanced nature in team compositions and things such as RNG. | ||
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th3_great
United Kingdom429 Posts
On June 28 2011 00:09 Termit wrote: Sure LoL is free, but don't you have to like buy heroes and items in LoL to not get raped in games when the skill level is higher? If so, it feels kinda wierd to have "esport game" where you are forced to buy shit to play on the same terms as the others. Like in WoW when it was a "esport game", it fucking sucked shit because some teams had the best items etc. there is a wide selection of characters that are free, and this group is changed around every week to give people an opportunity to try lots of different champions, there is still a wide variety of characters but for the most part they arent really used let alone bought. there are no items that the player is required to buy to play, the only things that you might consider buying are new characters, which isnt necessary, or different character skins, which is just pointless. | ||
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NexUmbra
Scotland3776 Posts
On June 27 2011 23:49 ZeeMan wrote: I play a lot of LoL and its definitely fun, but its not a good esport. Quake live has a tonne more skill. But something requiring a "tonne more skill" doesn't mean that it will be more popular, BW requires more skill than SC2 but we still all watch SC2 (not a whine post just a comparison!) | ||
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Hoon
Brazil891 Posts
It's a shame that a skillfull game like QL got removed and replaced by an imbalanced game just to bring them more money. If they removed QL for BLC, it would be understandable.. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On June 28 2011 00:25 Hoon wrote: Well, LoL gets 100k+ views by embedding their stream into the game, which makes their championship look big. <_< It's a shame that a skillfull game like QL got removed and replaced by an imbalanced game just to bring them more money. If they removed QL for BLC, it would be understandable.. They don't embed anything, it's a picture hyperlink and if you click it it opens the webpage with the stream, if you don't click nothing happens. Also, every MOBA is imbalanced because of having like 100 different champions, hell even BLC is imbalanced. LoL balance is actually pretty good compared to both HoN and DotA. | ||
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Philo
United States337 Posts
On June 28 2011 00:00 th3_great wrote: and yet loads of people still watch both things. you dont have to like it, but you still have to acknowledge that more people watched LoL (and poker i guess) than SC2. Dreamhack showed that loads of people watched LoL because it was a unique thing, and they advertised it really well on their website, game client, facebook etc etc, whereas i have to get all my sc2 tournament info from TL, but this is mainly a dev. problem, not a game one. I think when the next IEM comes around you'll see even more people watching both sc2 and LoL More people watching LOL than SC2 at one event doesn't make it a legitimate esport for me or I'd imagine for a sponsor (Though there's been plenty of buildup showing a sponser can expect a ROI from sponsoring a major LOL tourney). From what I know about LOL players many of them don't have a huge interest in the game at a competitive level. There isn't the same star value and hype around an LOL competiotion as there is in SC2 and catupulting it over more deserving games in the name of money for events now now as opposed to possible ROI later through giving better games time to grow simply makes me sad that the definition of ESPORTS seems to be games that make money as opposed to games that are established, competitive and fun to watch. BTW SC2 tourney info is displayed by Blizzard in a menu on your welcome screen when you log onto SC2. I personally have Starcraft 2 liked on Facebook so before every tournament and whenever they make a balance announement I'm notified before its even posted on TL. Not to mention wellplayed and SCreddit. I dont think It's likely that another game has tourney info as easily accessible as Blizzard makes SC2. | ||
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babishh
Canada965 Posts
On June 28 2011 00:00 zeru wrote: LoL attracts most viewers. Not sure what else they would or even could pick. They didn't pick LoL because of the viewers factor, but because Riot (LoL's producer) spends ton of money in advertising and promoting. Mine is just an assumption, most likely to be the truth. | ||
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Hoon
Brazil891 Posts
On June 28 2011 00:26 Shikyo wrote: They don't embed anything, it's a picture hyperlink and if you click it it opens the webpage with the stream, if you don't click nothing happens. Also, every MOBA is imbalanced because of having like 100 different champions, hell even BLC is imbalanced. LoL balance is actually pretty good compared to both HoN and DotA. Meh I've heard they put a stream inside the game for Dreamhack. :p I've never played HoN, but I think that LoL is more imba than DotA, just because they keep adding more and more heroes to the game. It's really hard to keep it balanced when they keep changing their game. <_< | ||
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mdma-_-
Nauru1213 Posts
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Yiska
141 Posts
On June 28 2011 00:32 babishh wrote: They didn't pick LoL because of the viewers factor, but because Riot (LoL's producer) spends ton of money in advertising and promoting. Mine is just an assumption, most likely to be the truth. Less than 10k views on QL IEM streams makes both arguments viable. | ||
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zocktol
Germany1928 Posts
On June 28 2011 00:32 Hoon wrote: Meh I've heard they put a stream inside the game for Dreamhack. :p I've never played HoN, but I think that LoL is more imba than DotA, just because they keep adding more and more heroes to the game. It's really hard to keep it balanced when they keep changing their game. <_< Afaik the same is true for HoN. Dota is basically not endorsed by anybody, so until DotA 2 comes out, for this style of game, LoL or HoN are the way to go. And LoL seems to have a bigger following. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14137 Posts
http://www.nationalesl.com/us/news/162720/ number 6 team in america along side teams like completity and they're just a scrum team that meets on a sc2 forum? TL could probably explode again with a third main forum for things. | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
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ArnaudF
France993 Posts
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Sermokala
United States14137 Posts
On June 28 2011 00:32 babishh wrote: They didn't pick LoL because of the viewers factor, but because Riot (LoL's producer) spends ton of money in advertising and promoting. Mine is just an assumption, most likely to be the truth. now heres the real tricky part. Riot isn't spending all that money beacuse they don't have it they're so new as a studio they can't afford a 100k tourney and all the costs of shipping 6 teams and getting a place there at dreamhack. Its activision though blizzard thats bankrolling lol and its probably going to keep getting crazier and crazier as time goes on. | ||
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th3_great
United Kingdom429 Posts
On June 28 2011 00:27 Philo wrote: More people watching LOL than SC2 at one event doesn't make it a legitimate esport for me or I'd imagine for a sponsor (Though there's been plenty of buildup showing a sponser can expect a ROI from sponsoring a major LOL tourney). From what I know about LOL players many of them don't have a huge interest in the game at a competitive level. There isn't the same star value and hype around an LOL competiotion as there is in SC2 and catupulting it over more deserving games in the name of money for events now now as opposed to possible ROI later through giving better games time to grow simply makes me sad that the definition of ESPORTS seems to be games that make money as opposed to games that are established, competitive and fun to watch. BTW SC2 tourney info is displayed by Blizzard in a menu on your welcome screen when you log onto SC2. I personally have Starcraft 2 liked on Facebook so before every tournament and whenever they make a balance announement I'm notified before its even posted on TL. Not to mention wellplayed and SCreddit. I dont think It's likely that another game has tourney info as easily accessible as Blizzard makes SC2. it is very sad, but its the way the world works. companies arent going to give the light of day to a particular game if it isnt popular or worth the money, just look at mlg, last year starcraft was just another game, but because of its exploding popularity theyre giving more stage time, more money and now its set to overtake the already established franchises like COD and Halo, and with any sport people = money. and with the growth of the viewership comes the growth of the personalities, and peoples favourite players emerging, and the growth of the scene in general. this might not happen, LoL might do a WoW and sink in a year, or overtake SC2, who knows? who cares? not me, because ill still be watching SC2, but its still something to consider. i know sc2 is advertised well, but the point i was making was that LoL doesnt really have a community like TL, as far as im aware, or if there is it probably isnt on the same scale as TL, again if it is then i apologise for making sweeping statments. but the fact still remains that the LoL finals, which i watched with my friends over skype, still got 200k viewers, by advertising well, and these are the types of numbers that appeal to the business types. | ||
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
 rly not understand that game so bad grafic so bad gameplay cant understand it was still ini am looking for this event and hope that the sc2 part will be as great as mlg or dreamhack | ||
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Hoon
Brazil891 Posts
On June 28 2011 00:35 zocktol wrote: Afaik the same is true for HoN. Dota is basically not endorsed by anybody, so until DotA 2 comes out, for this style of game, LoL or HoN are the way to go. And LoL seems to have a bigger following. LoL has a bigger following because it is F2P and has a huge advertising. See what Valve did to TF2? The game was dying, they already have in-game transactions, so they just made their game F2P. It will keep the game alive for at least 1 more year. More than enough to get DotA 2 going. I feel so sad that Funncon doesn't advertise BLC enough. If BLC was hyped as much as LoL was, it would get so many followers. Specially because it's a great e-sports game. TT On June 28 2011 00:41 CoR wrote: thank god no more quake rly not understand that game so bad grafic so bad gameplay cant understand it was still ini am looking for this event and hope that the sc2 part will be as great as mlg or dreamhack Quake is a game that you can't understand by just watching it a couple of times. You have to try and play it for a while, then you get what's going on on the streams. But once you do, it is as exciting as watching any SC2 stream. It's a tactical FPS game. If you ever try it, you will be addicted. :p Also, gameplay is perfect, graphics doesn't really matter of a e-sport. D: | ||
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Rasun
United States787 Posts
Oh well at least sc2 will still be awesome. | ||
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