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On June 28 2011 00:38 Xeris wrote:
QL has the same 3 people winning every single tournament ever. Rapha, Cypher, Coollerr or w/e. Especially when the overall popularity of the game is declining, having such a stagnant core of top players makes it very uninteresting.
Flash, Jaedong... sound familiar?
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Next IEM sc2 replaced by Angry Birds! you heard it here first
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I don't really buy 'it's too hard to understand from a spectator's perspective' criticism of LoL. Consider the other games there - SC2 is doubtlessly just as confusing to anyone with little/no experience of it. Similarly, everyone here is going to think QL/CS are much easier to understand, since they've inspired most FPS's that have come after it, and as gamers we're accustomed to the shooter genres that have been influenced by these already, so we can see those being played at a high level and not be too terribly confused because we already understand the fundamentals of the genre.
At this point, what LoL really needs is some people equivalent to HD or Husky, who can do exciting coverage with getting bogged down in the specific depths and detailed subtleties to draw people in who can then move onto the more in-depth coverage, as Day[9] does in SC2.
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On June 28 2011 01:28 Iskusstvo wrote: At this point, what LoL really needs is some people equivalent to HD or Husky, who can do exciting coverage with getting bogged down in the specific depths and detailed subtleties to draw people in who can then move onto the more in-depth coverage, as Day[9] does in SC2.
Can't really do that with no observer mode and no replays. Yes, supposedly observer mode will "be out soon" but they have been saying that for a year and I don't enjoy having smoke blown up my ass.
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On June 28 2011 01:09 Silvanel wrote:
There is so much misinformation concerning LoL, even in this thread. You guys should try it out before criticizing. And yeah, game gets 200k viewers because its terrible from spectator point of view....that makes sens yes?
It's fine HoN will phase it out shortly. Massive league coming and HoN can affort literally like 10x what Riot can afford, so expect a prize fund of like $500,000. The creators said in an interview "we have something huge planned, in 3 months you won't even remember what LoL is"
So doesn't seem like a good move dropping the first ever esports title, a series that has survived 15 year and is still by far the most interesting game to watch from a spectator view and instead replacing it with a new game that most likely won't last, especially with Dota 2, Blizzard's Dota, HoN and Rise of Titans, it really doesn't seem like a good decision on their behalf.
Also will miss watching QL, IEM was the only event I got round to seeing it
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For all of you fans who aren't aware of the LoL community here in NA and EU, even some in SEA, here are some links to team sites and some have stream-lists (just like TL!) where there are thousands of people watching high-level players (and not so high-level players) just do matchmaking just like we do here at TL for SC2!
Team SoloMid (NA)
Team CLG (NA)
Team SK (EU)
Team Fnatic (EU)
LoL is VERY popular right now, in fact, every single one of my friends who plays PC games has tried it and i'd say a good 40-60% of those still play casually.
You can even check out any of the forums at the League of Legends site and you will see there is as much controversy over pro players and tournament results as you do at most E-sports sites.
Heck, even general interest sites like reddit and 4chan constantly have threads going about LoL strategy and player discussion.
League of Legends is a growing e-sport and although Riot IS pumping money into its success, the fans are here and they are excited. Regardless of the methods being used, the popularity of the game cannot be discounted.
Riot is also owned by a large Chinese corporation, with a large amount of capital to invest in this highly popular game. (LoL just came out of Beta in Asia region a little while ago, becoming VERY popular).
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What Riot doesn't realize is that no amount of money thrown around can turn a skilless non competitive game into a legit e-sport game. Maybe if they spent the money on actually improving the game instead of trying to make the game seem better than it is
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On June 28 2011 01:09 Silvanel wrote:
There is so much misinformation concerning LoL, even in this thread. You guys should try it out before criticizing. And yeah, game gets 200k viewers because its terrible from spectator point of view....that makes sens yes?
Yes, it makes sense. If you can't enjoy a game without playing it on a certain level it is bad from a spectator point of view. That applies to LoL or WoW for example.
For Quake or SC2 it does not apply. I know quite a few people who enjoy watching SC2 without even owning the game.
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wow im so saaaad
i was really looking forward for the next iem because of QL and now its gone, deeply disappointed =[
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On June 28 2011 01:38 learning wrote:For all of you fans who aren't aware of the LoL community here in NA and EU, even some in SEA, here are some links to team sites and some have stream-lists (just like TL!) where there are thousands of people watching high-level players (and not so high-level players) just do matchmaking just like we do here at TL for SC2! Team SoloMid (NA)Team CLG (NA)Team SK (EU)Team Fnatic (EU)LoL is VERY popular right now, in fact, every single one of my friends who plays PC games has tried it and i'd say a good 40-60% of those still play casually. You can even check out any of the forums at the League of Legends site and you will see there is as much controversy over pro players and tournament results as you do at most E-sports sites. Heck, even general interest sites like reddit and 4chan constantly have threads going about LoL strategy and player discussion. League of Legends is a growing e-sport and although Riot IS pumping money into its success, the fans are here and they are excited. Regardless of the methods being used, the popularity of the game cannot be discounted. Riot is also owned by a large Chinese corporation, with a large amount of capital to invest in this highly popular game. (LoL just came out of Beta in Asia region a little while ago, becoming VERY popular).
also, fnatic's facebook advertised one of their players streaming LoL games, Shushei, i think i his name was. i went on to see what the viewership was like, he had 4000 viewers, which would be a very good number even for a sc2 player stream, but apparently hes quite a well known player? i dont know :/
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LoL is scary big :X god no QL no Rapha no fun :"(
I will be really sad if QL end up like WC3
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at least use hon instead of lol. ;P
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On June 28 2011 01:41 clusen wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 01:09 Silvanel wrote:
There is so much misinformation concerning LoL, even in this thread. You guys should try it out before criticizing. And yeah, game gets 200k viewers because its terrible from spectator point of view....that makes sens yes? Yes, it makes sense. If you can't enjoy a game without playing it on a certain level it is bad from a spectator point of view. That applies to LoL or WoW for example. For Quake or SC2 it does not apply. I know quite a few people who enjoy watching SC2 without even owning the game.
Those are just opinions....
I've read comments of people who turned your argument by pretty much 180°, saying that they think SC2 is boring and uninteresting tow atch and LoL is much more exciting
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Why all the LoL bashing? People really think it's a terrible game? Like literally ALL of my friends and more play LoL and a select few play SC2 on a regular basis with me. Only reason I don't play LoL is because I suck at DoTA type games and don't have the time or dedication to try to get good at them.
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Considering LoL got over 20k viewers more than sc2 even it doesn't suprise me that they would remove Quake.
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WTF. No Quake Live, a staple of FPS games for years that requires knowledge of the map, quick strategic thought and reading of your opponent for a subpar DoTA clone that removes half of the intricacies that made DoTA skillful?
Ugh.
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On June 28 2011 01:49 JKira wrote:
Why all the LoL bashing? People really think it's a terrible game? Like literally ALL of my friends and more play LoL and a select few play SC2 on a regular basis with me. Only reason I don't play LoL is because I suck at DoTA type games and don't have the time or dedication to try to get good at them.
You're missing the point. Game can be fun and a lot of people might play it but that doesn't mean that it should be pushed as an esport.
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I understand why they want to develop LoL into an esport - the developers invest a lot of money into making it an esport and a lot of people play that game. While it is not that "simple" and requires tactics and teamwork, I feel that it lacks the "depth" that exist in a lot of games (even FPSs).
Its not that bad to watch LoL - you can learn from how professionals play and improve your skills.
Seeing quick live being replaced by LoL is like connect four replacing something like curling in the olympics =/
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I can't believe Carmac removed QL to make way for LoL. Such a travesty.
They could have atleast waited until dota 2 came out to replace QL.
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On June 28 2011 01:25 Daray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 00:38 Xeris wrote:
QL has the same 3 people winning every single tournament ever. Rapha, Cypher, Coollerr or w/e. Especially when the overall popularity of the game is declining, having such a stagnant core of top players makes it very uninteresting.
Flash, Jaedong... sound familiar?
That's not even a fair comparison. QL is all about 1v1 whereas PL is still huge in the BW community and so there are a lot of players that generate a ton of excitement. You have dozens of players that haven't placed top 4 in an MSL/OSL yet they play a huge role because of the team environment.
And LoL definitely has it's flaws but saying it's a terrible unskilled version of DoTA is reminiscent of the CS vs CS:S debate. Just because Riot is way ahead of HoN (for the time being at least) in it's approach to 'e-sports', doesn't mean you gotta rip on the game itself.
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