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On June 28 2011 00:42 Hoon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 00:41 CoR wrote:thank god no more quake  rly not understand that game so bad grafic so bad gameplay cant understand it was still in i am looking for this event and hope that the sc2 part will be as great as mlg or dreamhack Quake is a game that you can't understand by just watching it a couple of times. You have to try and play it for a while, then you get what's going on on the streams. But once you do, it is as exciting as watching any SC2 stream. It's a tactical FPS game. If you ever try it, you will be addicted. :p Also, gameplay is perfect, graphics doesn't really matter of a e-sport. D:
To be honest the graphics at least for me is what makes QL attractive to watch.
I dont have to see a 4 pixel big person wearing camo suit getting snipped from got know where.
QL you actually see the person the player is shooting at (at least most of the time).
@CoR
QL is easy to understand. You have armors and health bonuses. That respawn after a set time after they were piced up. Players try to time their moves around those spawn times since having more armor, health give you a slight advantage during fight. Still skill of a player >>> bonuses to health armor.
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On June 28 2011 03:01 SirMilford wrote:
The problem that most people have with LoL is that it is a simplified version of dota. There is a huge difference in skill between the top LoL players and the top HoN/dota players. Just because there are 200k people watching a stream does not make it an esport.
The problem that most people have with sc2 is that it is a simplified version of broodwar. There is a huge difference in skill between the top sc2 players and the top brood war players. Just because there are 200k people watching a stream does not make it an esport.
Just because something is easier doesn't mean it's a bad thing.
EDIT: This isn't my view of sc2, but I'm trying to prove a point.
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QL removed? esreality gna go nuts, disgrace anyway.
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I really dont like this.
LoL is such an easy and casual game, thats no match for every other esport game
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I played DotA for many, many years. I played LoL for approximately 50 games. LoL SUCKS. Out of the 2 big clones of DotA (HoN and LoL), LoL is most definitely the worse game. Even when compared to other games of that type, it falls in low standards. It's really oddly paced, requires little skill, and is inferior in so many other things it's even hard to describe.
The only reason it's so wildly popular is because it's FREE, and the only reason it's DH stream got so many viewers is because of the main menu splash into the stream. However, that's not a bad thing at all. If anything, Blizz should copy this idea and put big tournament's stream into the SC2 main menu, right there in your face, include chatrooms with it as well, and you have a winner.
DotA as an e-sport was/is a blast, it requires HUGE amounts of skill and teamwork. Actually, when you see the game and see these teams like Na'Vi, E-HOME, DK, etc, perform those moves you go like "Oh yeah, that looks so fuckin easy", and then when you try it with your teammates it's an utter failure hahaha. It's so incredibly hard to reach the top in DotA it's very comparable to starcraft. LoL however, with it's odd hero movement, and most importantly, with it's incredibly strange game pace, dumbs the game down waaaay too much.
Basically, LoL is a marketing victory, it's like... junk food. It's shit, it's fast, it requires little effort, and it has large marketing around it. A huge win for the developers, a major flaw in the world for hardcore gamers  .
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On June 28 2011 01:25 Daray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 00:38 Xeris wrote:
QL has the same 3 people winning every single tournament ever. Rapha, Cypher, Coollerr or w/e. Especially when the overall popularity of the game is declining, having such a stagnant core of top players makes it very uninteresting.
Flash, Jaedong... sound familiar?
Why do you think nobody outside Korea cares about BW anymore?
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On June 28 2011 03:41 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 01:25 Daray wrote:On June 28 2011 00:38 Xeris wrote:
QL has the same 3 people winning every single tournament ever. Rapha, Cypher, Coollerr or w/e. Especially when the overall popularity of the game is declining, having such a stagnant core of top players makes it very uninteresting.
Flash, Jaedong... sound familiar? Why do you think nobody outside Korea cares about BW anymore?
It's not because good players keep winning.... QL also isn't declining in popularity because of the same guys doing well. I don't really understand how you can think that. It's just not a game for the new generation. It's a cruel beast that cuts you down until you eventually get to a stage where you cut other new people down. SC2 is the same only it has blizzards fancy ladder to make up for it thankfully.
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Oh damn, why do they had too remove Quake? I'm kinda upset but everything else sounds great =)
looking forward to some epic sc2/cs1.6 games!
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I am really looking forward to the next season, I don't play LoL but I can understand their choice.
mfg banana
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On June 28 2011 02:17 learning wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 02:04 turdburgler wrote:On June 28 2011 01:50 Tippecanoe wrote:
Considering LoL got over 20k viewers more than sc2 even it doesn't suprise me that they would remove Quake. i thought everyone was saying that the stream counts for lol were heavily bugged by game client / own3d.tv? Those are speculations and rumors thanks to the fact that Riot put a splash-page hyperlink for the DH tournament stream in their game client. (People thought it actually streamed in the game client and counted each player logging on their account for LoL as a viewer.... it was just a link to the webpage and only counted viewers who went to the stream...) I'm not sure why so many people hate on LoL.. Sure its not as complex as DotA/HoN with denial and those runes in the river, but LoL has plenty of the same challenges that any MOBA does.. teamwork, finesse and micro, knowing your champion type, what items to build and when, when to gank a lane, when to push a lane, when to put wards down, when to try for big creep kills... Everyone makes it seem like LoL takes 0 skill to play, like its some sort of Iphone App... It's a simpler version of classic DotA that allows the individuals to determine the outcome of the games rather than individual+raw luck/exploit knowledge.. I dunno, I really like playing LoL even after playing HoN and DotA, its simpler and its not a bad thing.
What the hell is exploit knowledge? Just because you don't understand the finer mechanics of dota/hon doesn't mean those who do are exploiting anything.
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lol is so shitty... hell man i'd rather see wow than lol
even though i've never played quake in my life, i always watched it.. easy to understand and easy to admire the skill involved
lol on the other hand is hard to understand for ppl that don't play, and is a pretty shitty game.. its like if fucking dota -apem was an esport lol
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Such a Shame, QL deserves to still be in there, it's such a great e-sport game. I can't really say anything about LoL since i've never tried it.
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damn this sounds sick.. massive prize purse
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Too bad, I actually enjoy watching QL when SC2 isn't showing anything.
It's pretty exciting.
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On June 28 2011 03:41 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 01:25 Daray wrote:On June 28 2011 00:38 Xeris wrote:
QL has the same 3 people winning every single tournament ever. Rapha, Cypher, Coollerr or w/e. Especially when the overall popularity of the game is declining, having such a stagnant core of top players makes it very uninteresting.
Flash, Jaedong... sound familiar? Why do you think nobody outside Korea cares about BW anymore?
I'm going to hazard a guess that BW was in serious decline before Flash and Jaedong started winning all the StarLeagues. 2009 wasn't that long ago.
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really a sad day for esports. The game which all started esports in the west is dying out 
no shooter after that came even close to - and as it looks like will ever be - Q3/QL
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Bleh...I love LoL to death but I also loved Quake. Quake is the type of game that not only made me realize that a 1v1 FPS can be fun to watch, but it is the best FPS to watch.
LoL is now my main game, but the community is god awful and it is often a coin toss in terms of what is exciting. Quake on the other hand is always exciting...to me at least.
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The only way for me to enjoy watching LoL is if the commentator really knows what he's talking about. There was a cast commentated by djwheat and some other dude, that was really good at the game, and he explained everything.. That made me enjoy the cast.
But I still prefer watching QL, even though I never played Quake. It was really fun to watch.
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I think that I enjoyed watching Quake more then i enjoyed SC2 at IEM =/
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