EPTMaybe this is the kick in the ass id needs to have to promote their game or maybe they simply just don't care...
ESL announces Extreme Masters VI (IEM) - Page 21
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Akasha
United States261 Posts
Maybe this is the kick in the ass id needs to have to promote their game or maybe they simply just don't care... | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On June 28 2011 08:40 BasedSwag wrote: Actually the best players have high APM in Chess, because they play blitz chess. Also League of Legends has a lot of casualized aspects compared with DoTA and even HoN that make the game a lot easier to play, e.g. no denying, towers hit harder, you can leave your lane and back without much consequence, people generally die slower, small mistakes don't cost you the game, etc If you leave your lane and back for no reason you lose the tower. People die slower if you build tanky, buyt you can get oneshot if you don't get tanky items(In this respect people actually die faster than in DotA or HoN). Oh, and Blitz chess makes you have like 20-30 apm. Have you played LoL? Oh and I never watch counterstrike and actually prefer both Quake live and WoW over it, but I'm really happy about both SC2 and LoL. | ||
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ReaperX
Hong Kong1758 Posts
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mikyaJ
1834 Posts
On June 28 2011 09:01 ReaperX wrote: Riot must be pouring all their money for the replacement of QL, which is a sad thing, really. Quake Live in my opinion is so much better to watch in an ESPORTS tournament. I've played LoL before, and it's amazing how little APM you need or skill you need at the game to win games. The only neccesary thing is audio chat with your teammates so you know what to do with your teammates and a basic understanding of the game's characters and abilities. But ok, I guess this will make some people happy.. They don't really need to. Their Dream Hack numbers speak for themself. They used to. Maybe they still do though, but they have achieved popularity by now. | ||
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Scribble
2077 Posts
On June 28 2011 08:45 velocityqt wrote: this vid doesnt impress me, theres nothing special average joe cant do, when u watch programers playing QL/BW ur always like: wow theres no way in milion years i will be able to do that, so much respect for those guys putting so much time and effort into mastering the game which is very challanging to the point it looks like they are bending the rules, very high skill ceiling is actually the reason why i called it e-Sport at the first place. Pretty sad to see those hardcore games precessors and creators of e-gaming getting replaced by dumbed down noob friendly games in the name of esports where in fact theres not so much sport left in them. I've watched footage of games I don't play and thought, "I can do that, that doesn't look that hard." That doesn't mean I was right. I've also said that about watching games I have experience with, specifically BW and Street Fighter. Right before being proven wrong by actually trying whatever I saw. Maybe you should try it? If it's so easy, put a team together. Why not? It should be easy money...right? You don't have to be impressed by watching a pro play, but if you're going to dismiss something as being "so easy anyone can do it," be prepared to put up or shut up. | ||
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Shiragaku
Hong Kong4308 Posts
On June 28 2011 09:01 ReaperX wrote: Riot must be pouring all their money for the replacement of QL, which is a sad thing, really. Quake Live in my opinion is so much better to watch in an ESPORTS tournament. I've played LoL before, and it's amazing how little APM you need or skill you need at the game to win games. The only neccesary thing is audio chat with your teammates so you know what to do with your teammates and a basic understanding of the game's characters and abilities. But ok, I guess this will make some people happy.. Then by such logic, there should be very little competition which LoL has plenty of. But interesting fact about LoL...it is a very easy game to pick up, but real fucking hard to master. Just like chess. It is a fact that LoL is incredibly competitive and very good tournament game, but whether it is exciting to watch is another story. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On June 28 2011 08:45 velocityqt wrote: this vid doesnt impress me theres nothing special average joe cant do, when u watch programers playing QL/BW ur always like: wow theres no way in milion years i will be able to do that, so much respect for those guys putting alot of time and effort into mastering the game which is very challanging to the point it looks like they are bending the rules, very high skill ceiling is actually the reason why i called it e-Sport at the first place. Pretty sad to see those hardcore games precessors and creators of e-gaming getting replaced by dumbed down noob friendly games in the name of esports when in fact theres not so much sport left in them. I've also watched Flash play SCBW and say "That's not hard to do, I can do that" and I can understand perfectly how to do it etc but I still can't do it. And for some reason only the people who play LoL are super impressed and the people who've never played the game say it's really easy. That makes sense..? EDIT: So why it's impressive is first of all, it's 1v2 towerdive and second, you wouldn't think to towerdive a Jarvan with an alistar closeby, you blink to the minion that gives Mark barely enough range to hit him(And he used this skill instantly after without even stopping moving and at barely max range, if he had to blink again he wouldn't have had one left for the final escape as they take 20 seconds to get back), he also did it so quickly that the Jarvan didn't have proper time to react, any slower and he could have flag pulled himself to safety. After that though, it's gamesense that he can go to the top brush and not try to run another way or something as he knew the Alistar was incoming instead of running straight into him or something. He also knew the exact range of Alistars headbutt and hence at that exact timing did his blink so that they'd essentially swap places. And the end was pretty simple. I'm not sure why the person is regarded as by far the best Akali player in the world and why everyone thinks that no one can do similiar moves... because every LoL player is a noob? That'd just be an extremely naive statement to make. | ||
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ThaZenith
Canada3116 Posts
LoL on the other hand had regular 100k+ viewing audiences, due to actual players being routed from the game to the tournament. There's no reason that Riot won't do the same again, so to put LoL in the roster guarantees a ton more viewers than quake live could ever get. | ||
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Combine
United States812 Posts
 Always watched it along with sc2, and it's one of the few remaining FPS games that are good to spectate. Every time I've watched it it has impressed me. You would think that ESL would at least wait till DOTA 2 to see how that turns out. LoL seems to lack a lot of stuff for spectating, ie. spectator mode/replays/pause feature etc. Seems Riot had the money and views to get the foot in the door. And I'm not so sure all those viewers will be consistent watchers, Quake has had a dedicated scene for over 15 years, and LoL is pretty new and I'm not sure of the longevity of it. MOBA games in general are kind of hard to spectate, but I would want to wait and see which comes out on top as a better esport game. | ||
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Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
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carloselcoco
United States2302 Posts
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Dird
United Kingdom18 Posts
On June 28 2011 09:22 Brees wrote: should have got rid of counterstrike over quake live, god that game is boring. It's awesome. The casters at DH were so OMFGterrible though...I wanted to watch the matches but I just couldn't they were way worse than day9 | ||
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Ghola
United States55 Posts
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Monsty
Canada230 Posts
On June 28 2011 09:34 Ghola wrote: I was always under the impression that LOL was more a team game that you dick around in to pass the time. The difference in skill between players is pretty much negligible in that game. I would have to disagree with you here. LoL is a lot more steep than a lot of people would imagine. However! I also am extremely disappointed that they chose LoL over Quake Live. Quake Live is something I'm always clearly pumped for, while LoL seems (at least to me) more enjoyable when you're in the driver seat. I'm saddened that they sacrificed a really skill based game to gain stream viewers thanks to its huge presence at Dreamhack. | ||
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Elefanto
Switzerland3584 Posts
their aim, movement, how they remember the cooldowns of armors etc. You didn't have to understand the game or played before to know how difficult it is to pull the stuff they do. I'm sad | ||
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DamnCats
United States1472 Posts
On June 28 2011 09:39 Elefanto wrote: I always loved to watch quake, was super impressed by the top players. their aim, movement, how they remember the cooldowns of armors etc. You didn't have to understand the game or played before to know how difficult it is to pull the stuff they do. I'm sad Indeed, watching someone who is masterful at QL like Cooller is just fucking amazing. So gd impressive. | ||
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
I just wish DotA 2 will come soon, that way we'll have the real thing with a modern day interface. I've also watched streams of all 3 games, and without a doubt the most epic and impressive skill is seen in DotA. VP back in the days... MYM... DTS... EHOME... Deity... LGD.. incredible stuff going on there. The big problem for DotA is actually the incredibly steep learning curve and the asshole community, if icefrog and valve can fix that without dumbing the game down, they'll have a winner. | ||
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bN`
Slovenia504 Posts
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Hoon
Brazil891 Posts
On June 28 2011 09:42 mordk wrote: I've played all three of them, and can safely say that the skillcap for LoL < HoN <<<< DotA I just wish DotA 2 will come soon, that way we'll have the real thing with a modern day interface. I've also watched streams of all 3 games, and without a doubt the most epic and impressive skill is seen in DotA. VP back in the days... MYM... DTS... EHOME... Deity... LGD.. incredible stuff going on there. The big problem for DotA is actually the incredibly steep learning curve and the asshole community, if icefrog and valve can fix that without dumbing the game down, they'll have a winner. DotA 2 will kill LoL, HoN and vanilla DotA. I can guarantee. Yeah, I agree that DotA has the world community out there, and I don't think that DotA 2 or Valve will fix it. <_< I hope Valve adds a decent mmr system, so people play with those with the same skill level as they learn how to master the game. Oh, and DotA 2 will be coming out by the end of this year. :D | ||
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SoJu.WeRRa
Korea (South)820 Posts
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