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This isn't going to turn into another LoL vs (all other games apparently) thread. You can speak your mind about the selection of games but keep it civil. | ||
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Kaoz
Poland48 Posts
I've never played LoL but enjoyed LoL stream during dreamhack greatly (there goes argument: free game=large audience, at least not in my case). I was so sucked in, that, oh boy, after day one I forgot about SC2, and wasn't even angry when ZenonTheStoic spoiled SC2 results during LoL finals  The game is so entertaining to watch, so much awsome action, teamplay, coordination, so much drama... I love it. | ||
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Dird
United Kingdom18 Posts
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Scribble
2077 Posts
On June 28 2011 08:22 butch wrote: I feel for the QL guys, we have to say goodbye to some real e-sport icons  . I can see LoL dying a silent dead like WoW tho, don't know what's so awesome about it + the fact that there's like 3/4 exact copies of the game doesn't really help.3/4 exact copies, eh? Would you mind supporting your argument by naming one of them? This terrible thread represents everything I hate about what TL has become. What really has me amazed is that SC2 fans are constantly trying to defend SC2 when BW elitists call the game shit for being "too simple," and "inferior," and yet here everyone is leveraging the same complaints against LoL with a holier-than-thou, "the game I prefer is clearly better than this garbage," attitude. How 'bout instead of bitching and moaning and getting into pissing contests with one another over our preferred hobbies and e-sports of choice, we recognize that every game is as valid as the next - be it Quake, 1.6, BW, SC2, LoL, or whatever your pick is. Being upset that a game you love is being marginalized or slowly fading out is one thing, to try to drag down things that others enjoy is another. Ugh. I wouldn't mind seeing TL adopt a zero tolerance policy for this nonsense. Every LR thread, every news post, every thread is filled with trolls spewing bile and tanking the quality of the community day by day. I would love to see perma-bans being handed out like candy at this point. | ||
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Aetherial
Australia917 Posts
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VeryAverage
United States424 Posts
I can understand why people like it and it's a fun game, but I don't think it has any place in a competitive setting. Not until it gets a serious makeover at least. | ||
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oniman999
United States169 Posts
On June 28 2011 08:06 BasedSwag wrote: Uh, all he did was hit R and right click a few times.. What's impressive about that? You probably need about 30APM to play LoL at the highest level, it's not a very skillful game.. the only real skill required is having decent coordination in your team, the actual game is very easy to play. Chess must not be very competitive either, in fact the better players usually have LOWER apm than the casual players. Also, football (American) must not be very competitive either. They stand around for about 20- 30 seconds and pick out their play, then wait about another 5 seconds waiting to snap and calling audibles. Only then do they execute about a 10 second play. So much time spent not doing anything! Also in football, all the guy does is throw the ball. How hard is that? I can throw a ball! I can even but a tight spiral on it! Or maybe since LoL is slower paced than SC it just doesn't require constant keyboard inputs. LoL is more about picking a character to perform a certain role, and acquiring the correct equipment to suit that role. That role also should change depending on the opposing team's composition and what items they select. I think the problem we as SC players have with something like LoL is that it's team based compared to SC which is individual competition. I hear a lot of "LoL isn't very balanced!" and I think the idea behind that is that people don't like the idea that in a 1v1 battle some champions have a blatant advantage over others. LoL isn't about 1v1 fights or anything like that, like I recently started playing a support character. I usually end up with 2 kills at most by the end of a game, but my teammates are averaging many more kills than before I started playing an assist based character. Sorry for all the huge long winded rant post, but I think the main reason for the hate towards LoL is a lack of understanding. I will admit, I play both it and SC2 often (not good at either of them lol) and i do think SC2 requires more skill. However, that doesn't mean I don't see LoL as extremely skill dependent. It's just a different type of skill. | ||
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Itzeddiieee
Korea (South)787 Posts
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DeckOneBell
United States526 Posts
>_> I'm not going to watch LoL, and I did have a preference for QL over LoL, but it's not like I would've watched much QL anyway. I'm in it for the Starcraft, big surprise there. | ||
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Wasteweiser
Canada522 Posts
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BasedSwag
Algeria418 Posts
On June 28 2011 08:32 oniman999 wrote: Chess must not be very competitive either, in fact the better players usually have LOWER apm than the casual players. Also, football (American) must not be very competitive either. They stand around for about 20- 30 seconds and pick out their play, then wait about another 5 seconds waiting to snap and calling audibles. Only then do they execute about a 10 second play. So much time spent not doing anything! Also in football, all the guy does is throw the ball. How hard is that? I can throw a ball! I can even but a tight spiral on it! Or maybe since LoL is slower paced than SC it just doesn't require constant keyboard inputs. LoL is more about picking a character to perform a certain role, and acquiring the correct equipment to suit that role. That role also should change depending on the opposing team's composition and what items they select. I think the problem we as SC players have with something like LoL is that it's team based compared to SC which is individual competition. I hear a lot of "LoL isn't very balanced!" and I think the idea behind that is that people don't like the idea that in a 1v1 battle some champions have a blatant advantage over others. LoL isn't about 1v1 fights or anything like that, like I recently started playing a support character. I usually end up with 2 kills at most by the end of a game, but my teammates are averaging many more kills than before I started playing an assist based character. Sorry for all the huge long winded rant post, but I think the main reason for the hate towards LoL is a lack of understanding. I will admit, I play both it and SC2 often (not good at either of them lol) and i do think SC2 requires more skill. However, that doesn't mean I don't see LoL as extremely skill dependent. It's just a different type of skill. Actually the best players have high APM in Chess, because they play blitz chess. And I don't think many people consider American football a sport requiring much skill compared to say soccer or tennis or whatever (for the reasons you listed). Sarcasm aside, the skill required to play LoL is basically that of the ability to not act like an idiot and play safely (and knowing how to coordinate well with your team). If you actually know and understand how to use your champion, and what items to buy (which can all be learned outside of the game) the game becomes very easy. Compare that with BW/SC2 where watching a replay and stealing someones build orders won't give you the ability to micro/macro as well as them, but I would say it's 100x easier to rip-off someone's play-style exactly in League of Legends because it isn't a very mechanically demanding game, nor is there a huge amount of strategy, and I don't think anyone who has ever played it could say it's demanding. Also League of Legends has a lot of casualized aspects compared with DoTA and even HoN that make the game a lot easier to play, e.g. no denying, towers hit harder, you can leave your lane and back without much consequence, people generally die slower, small mistakes don't cost you the game, etc | ||
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awha
Denmark1358 Posts
On June 28 2011 08:17 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: They play all the tournaments on a different client so I'm not entirely sure how it works out there, but everything you can buy with Riot Points (aka the microtransactions) can also be bought for currency you get after every game (influence points). The only limiting factor is time investment to unlocking everything if you don't buy Riot Points. The only strictly Riot Point thing is skins which just change the graphics of your character. He waited for the perfect moment to dive past the tower and get the kill and then evaded another hero who tried to kill him. Any sooner and the tower would have killed him and any later and he wouldn't have been able to use his R to close the gap. Is it really that hard to realize what went on if you played DotA and other mobas before? You are right, I worded my comment wrong. sorry about that. The point I was trying to make was just that the spectator interface is so bad I was surprised that 200k+ players watched the stream. Back on topic; I am sad to see Quake go but happy that such a popular game as LoL will help bring more eyes to major esports events. | ||
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razy
Russian Federation899 Posts
On June 28 2011 08:34 DeckOneBell wrote: How many people complaining about LoL in this thread actually bother to watch QL events at IEM? >_> yeah, they just enjoy complaining just for the sake of it. Last IEM QL was > last IEM SC2 obviously | ||
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Gnabgib
United States381 Posts
The PC needs a new shooter for the pros to move onto. | ||
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gold_
Canada312 Posts
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
On June 28 2011 07:16 Znoz wrote: Yeah, in LoL they removed some features and made game easier. So it's : Take game - copy - make casual - make f2p- add micro-transactions - add commercials and promote game in tournaments - print-screen 200k viewers- go to forums and post it with big trollface and "u mad?" words. it was made by one of the original makers of dota to begin with how is this copying? | ||
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
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velocityqt
121 Posts
On June 28 2011 07:57 Shikyo wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bz1wy9JTi6I This as a counterargument to LoL taking no skill. Easy to pick up doesn't mean easy all the way... But yeah just silly sigh, just accept it, I still think it's a good thing for esports no matter what. this vid doesnt impress me theres nothing special average joe cant do, when u watch programers playing QL/BW ur always like: wow theres no way in milion years i will be able to do that, so much respect for those guys putting alot of time and effort into mastering the game which is very challanging to the point it looks like they are bending the rules, very high skill ceiling is actually the reason why i called it e-Sport at the first place. Pretty sad to see those hardcore games precessors and creators of e-gaming getting replaced by dumbed down noob friendly games in the name of esports when in fact theres not so much sport left in them. | ||
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Shiragaku
Hong Kong4308 Posts
I can understand why people do not want to watch LoL. You basically need a Ph.D in the game to actually enjoy the game. Just like some of my friends do not enjoy watching StarCraft because they cannot tell the difference between Protoss and Zerg plus they have to train their eyes to see the units well. And fuck the casual game logic. That argument is just as legit as hearing a religious debate. "I am a Christian, atheists have no morals" "I am an atheist, religion causes violence." Stupid Stupid Stupid | ||
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Kamikiri
United States1319 Posts
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wonderwall
New Zealand695 Posts
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