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ESL announces Extreme Masters VI (IEM) - Page 19

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This isn't going to turn into another LoL vs (all other games apparently) thread. You can speak your mind about the selection of games but keep it civil.
Laneir
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1160 Posts
June 27 2011 22:54 GMT
#361
This will be epic cant wait
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
June 27 2011 22:57 GMT
#362


This as a counterargument to LoL taking no skill. Easy to pick up doesn't mean easy all the way...

But yeah just silly sigh, just accept it, I still think it's a good thing for esports no matter what.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
dragonblade369
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada464 Posts
June 27 2011 23:01 GMT
#363
On June 28 2011 07:57 Shikyo wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bz1wy9JTi6I

This as a counterargument to LoL taking no skill. Easy to pick up doesn't mean easy all the way...

But yeah just silly sigh, just accept it, I still think it's a good thing for esports no matter what.


Um... Never played LoL so mind to explain to me why is that impressive to do?
Gevna
Profile Joined August 2010
France2332 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-27 23:04:53
June 27 2011 23:04 GMT
#364
Hmm, I think LoL can be considered as an e-sport game. You know in olympics games there is curling, while sc2 would be athletism.
BasedSwag
Profile Joined April 2010
Algeria418 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-27 23:08:27
June 27 2011 23:06 GMT
#365
On June 28 2011 07:57 Shikyo wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bz1wy9JTi6I

This as a counterargument to LoL taking no skill. Easy to pick up doesn't mean easy all the way...

But yeah just silly sigh, just accept it, I still think it's a good thing for esports no matter what.


Uh, all he did was hit R and right click a few times.. What's impressive about that?

You probably need about 30APM to play LoL at the highest level, it's not a very skillful game.. the only real skill required is having decent coordination in your team, the actual game is very easy to play.
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
June 27 2011 23:06 GMT
#366
i feel bad for quake but league of legends is where the money's at so I guess its business :\
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
June 27 2011 23:07 GMT
#367
Love all three games so, I am a happy. Good on IEM.

Shame on Quake live but I mean if youcan't pull the numbers, not much you can do really.
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Looms
Profile Joined May 2010
United States4624 Posts
June 27 2011 23:08 GMT
#368
On June 28 2011 07:57 Shikyo wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bz1wy9JTi6I

This as a counterargument to LoL taking no skill. Easy to pick up doesn't mean easy all the way...

But yeah just silly sigh, just accept it, I still think it's a good thing for esports no matter what.


I'll just leave this here.

[image loading]


User was warned for this post
Gumbot
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada28 Posts
June 27 2011 23:09 GMT
#369
Sweet deal, going with whats popular instead of what is good, can't wait for competitive wow and minesweeper to takeover.
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BloodNinja
Profile Joined June 2010
United States2791 Posts
June 27 2011 23:12 GMT
#370
On June 28 2011 08:06 BasedSwag wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2011 07:57 Shikyo wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bz1wy9JTi6I

This as a counterargument to LoL taking no skill. Easy to pick up doesn't mean easy all the way...

But yeah just silly sigh, just accept it, I still think it's a good thing for esports no matter what.


Uh, all he did was hit R and right click a few times.. What's impressive about that?

You probably need about 30APM to play LoL at the highest level, it's not a very skillful game.. the only real skill required is having decent coordination in your team, the actual game is very easy to play.


If thats true then you should no problem winning the next Go4LoL tourney right? Please tell us your summoner name so I can track your quick rise to the top.
fiskrens
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden196 Posts
June 27 2011 23:12 GMT
#371
On June 28 2011 00:09 Termit wrote:
Sure LoL is free, but don't you have to like buy heroes and items in LoL to not get raped in games when the skill level is higher? If so, it feels kinda wierd to have "esport game" where you are forced to buy shit to play on the same terms as the others.

Like in WoW when it was a "esport game", it fucking sucked shit because some teams had the best items etc.


You have no idea what you are talking about do you? In pretty much any game that includes items/skills/weapons that are considered imbalanced, unfair, bad or whatever you wish are restricted for tournament use. I'm not sure if LoL does but I'm sure the pros play with the same items. When wow arena was played in tournaments you could choose whatever gear you wanted within certain limits to make it fair for everyone. Not sure where you pulled that bullshit statement from that there was a item imbalance between teams in WoW tournaments.
Mastertouch
Profile Joined October 2010
United States136 Posts
June 27 2011 23:12 GMT
#372
it was bound to happen. Quake has been dying. CS 1.6 is also dying. i'm not going to hate on LoL, it deserves it. 200k viewers was magnificent.

Problem with shooting games is there are WAY too many other options. if you thought the LoL/DoTA/HoN scene was bad, in terms of too many alternatives. Look at shooters, you have the CS clones like crossfire and combat arms/w.e fuck generic game. Those games are on WCG. Then for NA you have Halo/COD/Gears of War/ w.e big hit title. No one is going to want to play Quake. Thats just the truth. too many shooters that are in competitive leagues. is there really a need for a competitive COD league or a cs clone league? just play cs or quake, it doesnt make sense to have an alternative (not a sequel).

To the people crying hypocrisy towards sc2 being used over bw, well sc2 is the sequel. it makes sense.
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awha
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark1358 Posts
June 27 2011 23:13 GMT
#373
On June 28 2011 07:57 Shikyo wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bz1wy9JTi6I

This as a counterargument to LoL taking no skill. Easy to pick up doesn't mean easy all the way...

But yeah just silly sigh, just accept it, I still think it's a good thing for esports no matter what.


I have played war3, LoL and some HoN through the years and I still dont get whats going on That game needs a better spectating interface for once - I dont get how it attracted 200k+ viewers as it is.
razy
Profile Joined February 2010
Russian Federation899 Posts
June 27 2011 23:15 GMT
#374
On June 28 2011 08:08 Looms wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2011 07:57 Shikyo wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bz1wy9JTi6I

This as a counterargument to LoL taking no skill. Easy to pick up doesn't mean easy all the way...

But yeah just silly sigh, just accept it, I still think it's a good thing for esports no matter what.


I'll just leave this here.

[image loading]


gave me fucking nerdchills >_<


and it's even not the first time i'm watching it >_>
son1dow
Profile Joined May 2009
Lithuania322 Posts
June 27 2011 23:15 GMT
#375
Just because arguments against\for games seem similar doesn't mean the situation is the same - most people around here are fairly new and can't really articulate specific reasons, but sometimes they still happen to be right.


SC2 is a lot worse than BW, however, it isn't dumbed down in it's core.. It's just easier.

Now, these dota games (and LoL is the easiest of them... ) are very simple in their cores. There are hardly any skills NOT in sc, yet you control a single unit. Surely players get good at controlling the single unit, but that's not much.

Many will say it's a teamgame.. But QL TDM is also a teamgame; and it has a skillgap that's ten times as high.

No offense meant to LoL players - it might be the most fun game for you, but it's obviously a crappy esport.

Now, if only quake had such good backing...
Play more Quake.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-27 23:22:09
June 27 2011 23:16 GMT
#376
On June 28 2011 08:08 Looms wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2011 07:57 Shikyo wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bz1wy9JTi6I

This as a counterargument to LoL taking no skill. Easy to pick up doesn't mean easy all the way...

But yeah just silly sigh, just accept it, I still think it's a good thing for esports no matter what.


I'll just leave this here.

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


I doubt anyone has ever doubted that Quake takes the most individual skill out of any competitive fps in the western scene. That's not what he was trying to say. That's not what this is about either. Blame the gaming community for not supporting the game as much as they should. It's amazing, it's such a pity modern fps games just lack that depth.
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-27 23:20:38
June 27 2011 23:17 GMT
#377
On June 28 2011 08:12 fiskrens wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2011 00:09 Termit wrote:
Sure LoL is free, but don't you have to like buy heroes and items in LoL to not get raped in games when the skill level is higher? If so, it feels kinda wierd to have "esport game" where you are forced to buy shit to play on the same terms as the others.

Like in WoW when it was a "esport game", it fucking sucked shit because some teams had the best items etc.


You have no idea what you are talking about do you? In pretty much any game that includes items/skills/weapons that are considered imbalanced, unfair, bad or whatever you wish are restricted for tournament use. I'm not sure if LoL does but I'm sure the pros play with the same items. When wow arena was played in tournaments you could choose whatever gear you wanted within certain limits to make it fair for everyone. Not sure where you pulled that bullshit statement from that there was a item imbalance between teams in WoW tournaments.


They play all the tournaments on a different client so I'm not entirely sure how it works out there, but everything you can buy with Riot Points (aka the microtransactions) can also be bought for currency you get after every game (influence points). The only limiting factor is time investment to unlocking everything if you don't buy Riot Points.

The only strictly Riot Point thing is skins which just change the graphics of your character.

On June 28 2011 08:13 awha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2011 07:57 Shikyo wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bz1wy9JTi6I

This as a counterargument to LoL taking no skill. Easy to pick up doesn't mean easy all the way...

But yeah just silly sigh, just accept it, I still think it's a good thing for esports no matter what.


I have played war3, LoL and some HoN through the years and I still dont get whats going on That game needs a better spectating interface for once - I dont get how it attracted 200k+ viewers as it is.


He waited for the perfect moment to dive past the tower and get the kill and then evaded another hero who tried to kill him. Any sooner and the tower would have killed him and any later and he wouldn't have been able to use his R to close the gap. Is it really that hard to realize what went on if you played DotA and other mobas before?
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Nazeron
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1046 Posts
June 27 2011 23:20 GMT
#378
Really excited for this, cant wait!
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
butch
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium684 Posts
June 27 2011 23:22 GMT
#379
I feel for the QL guys, we have to say goodbye to some real e-sport icons . I can see LoL dying a silent dead like WoW tho, don't know what's so awesome about it + the fact that there's like 3/4 exact copies of the game doesn't really help.
Marauder Die Die
desRow
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2654 Posts
June 27 2011 23:25 GMT
#380
On June 28 2011 07:57 Shikyo wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bz1wy9JTi6I

This as a counterargument to LoL taking no skill. Easy to pick up doesn't mean easy all the way...

But yeah just silly sigh, just accept it, I still think it's a good thing for esports no matter what.


lol jukes like that would happen for 2mins in dota with like 5heroes and it would be much more epic its like saying hey, look at this clip of forcefield and storm its great move !
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