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IcedBacon
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada906 Posts
June 24 2011 20:57 GMT
#521
Laddering on other peoples' accounts is just dumb. Use it for customs and no one cares.
"I went Zerg because Artosis is a douchebag." -IdrA
Sinborn
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States275 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-24 20:57:55
June 24 2011 20:57 GMT
#522
On June 25 2011 05:50 HoldenR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2011 05:47 PlosionCornu wrote:
On June 25 2011 05:43 HoldenR wrote:
On June 25 2011 05:41 PlosionCornu wrote:
On June 25 2011 05:37 L3gendary wrote:
The reason people are pissed is because none of these things were an issue in bw. We wait 12 years to get a brand new starcraft game and its missing a lot of the features we had from a game made in the 90s!

HotS Terms of Service: All your life are belong to blizzard.

"But it's in the ToS you agreed to it!" durr

The fact that something is a rule or law doesn't make it exempt from criticism and ridicule.


True, if you boycott it they will be forced to change the terms.
But people accept it, and then complain, W T F.


Again, please understand, and this goes for everyone. Contracts cannot be unreasonably burdensome. You cannot sign your life away into slavery or whatever. These contracts are not legal. EULAs and ToS' do not hold up in European courts almost ever because of that.


Yes, ofc, but why does this even matter.

Blizzard is not suing anyone (this time atleast LOL), they will just discontinue the service toward a customer who does not comply to his end of the bargain (contract).


The point I, and other posters are trying to make, are that EULAs and ToS are NOT legally binding contracts in Europe. Period. We're not talking about Blizzard suing anyone, we're saying if someone took Blizzard to court over a disabled account because of a reason given in the EULA or TOS, it is likely that individual would win because contracts that are not given to you BEFORE purchasing a product are not legally binding.


You have to find us some proof of this because it is directly contradicted by the presence of tons and tons of EULA/ToS specific to EU. I can't imagine any huge company with competent legal counsel would build one specific to a region that it is unenforceable in.
Gollomor
Profile Joined June 2011
Austria51 Posts
June 24 2011 20:57 GMT
#523
hahaha LoL omg that is a joke right ? XD
We are the Blades of Aiur
epikAnglory
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1120 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-24 20:58:15
June 24 2011 20:57 GMT
#524
It is not dumb, it was in the terms of use. It was not like Blizzard just went like "I want to piss em off, make new rule and intervene!" When they installed the game, they agreed to it (supposedly?), but unfortunately the stubborn never browse through the terms of service.

If you guys want to complain, you should have complained when you read the terms of service in Beta, not when it is finally used. My opinion is that they should NOT close the account, just probably give them a warning or something.
710+ Posts with a Probe Icon =D
PlosionCornu
Profile Joined August 2010
Italy814 Posts
June 24 2011 20:57 GMT
#525
On June 25 2011 05:50 HoldenR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2011 05:47 PlosionCornu wrote:
On June 25 2011 05:43 HoldenR wrote:
On June 25 2011 05:41 PlosionCornu wrote:
On June 25 2011 05:37 L3gendary wrote:
The reason people are pissed is because none of these things were an issue in bw. We wait 12 years to get a brand new starcraft game and its missing a lot of the features we had from a game made in the 90s!

HotS Terms of Service: All your life are belong to blizzard.

"But it's in the ToS you agreed to it!" durr

The fact that something is a rule or law doesn't make it exempt from criticism and ridicule.


True, if you boycott it they will be forced to change the terms.
But people accept it, and then complain, W T F.


Again, please understand, and this goes for everyone. Contracts cannot be unreasonably burdensome. You cannot sign your life away into slavery or whatever. These contracts are not legal. EULAs and ToS' do not hold up in European courts almost ever because of that.


Yes, ofc, but why does this even matter.

Blizzard is not suing anyone (this time atleast LOL), they will just discontinue the service toward a customer who does not comply to his end of the bargain (contract).


The point I, and other posters are trying to make, are that EULAs and ToS are NOT legally binding contracts in Europe. Period. We're not talking about Blizzard suing anyone, we're saying if someone took Blizzard to court over a disabled account because of a reason given in the EULA or TOS, it is likely that individual would win because contracts that are not given to you BEFORE purchasing a product are not legally binding.



Maybe you are right.

It really depends if this
http://eu.blizzard.com/support/index.xml?locale=en_GB&gameId=13&rootCategoryId=8640
is considered a contract before purchase or not. (by implying the evergreen "the law(or rules in this case) do not allow ignorance".

I'm not that law savyy to know the difference though.

Hnnngg
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1101 Posts
June 24 2011 20:58 GMT
#526
On June 25 2011 05:54 Thorakh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2011 05:50 HoldenR wrote:
On June 25 2011 05:47 PlosionCornu wrote:
On June 25 2011 05:43 HoldenR wrote:
On June 25 2011 05:41 PlosionCornu wrote:
On June 25 2011 05:37 L3gendary wrote:
The reason people are pissed is because none of these things were an issue in bw. We wait 12 years to get a brand new starcraft game and its missing a lot of the features we had from a game made in the 90s!

HotS Terms of Service: All your life are belong to blizzard.

"But it's in the ToS you agreed to it!" durr

The fact that something is a rule or law doesn't make it exempt from criticism and ridicule.


True, if you boycott it they will be forced to change the terms.
But people accept it, and then complain, W T F.


Again, please understand, and this goes for everyone. Contracts cannot be unreasonably burdensome. You cannot sign your life away into slavery or whatever. These contracts are not legal. EULAs and ToS' do not hold up in European courts almost ever because of that.


Yes, ofc, but why does this even matter.

Blizzard is not suing anyone (this time atleast LOL), they will just discontinue the service toward a customer who does not comply to his end of the bargain (contract).


The point I, and other posters are trying to make, are that EULAs and ToS are NOT legally binding contracts in Europe. Period. We're not talking about Blizzard suing anyone, we're saying if someone took Blizzard to court over a disabled account because of a reason given in the EULA or TOS, it is likely that individual would win because contracts that are not given to you BEFORE purchasing a product are not legally binding.
Someone already said that an URL to the EULA is on the SC2 box.


How are you going to get to that URL? Bring a laptop with you? Write down the URL on your hand? Do something else insane and unreasonable?
-Zoda-
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
France3578 Posts
June 24 2011 20:58 GMT
#527
What about the GSTL where there is one account for each team ? ...
♪ 最初はi つなぐdo それ つまりlife 常に移動 ♪ - IGN: Uhryks
Sinborn
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States275 Posts
June 24 2011 21:00 GMT
#528
On June 25 2011 05:58 Hnnngg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2011 05:54 Thorakh wrote:
On June 25 2011 05:50 HoldenR wrote:
On June 25 2011 05:47 PlosionCornu wrote:
On June 25 2011 05:43 HoldenR wrote:
On June 25 2011 05:41 PlosionCornu wrote:
On June 25 2011 05:37 L3gendary wrote:
The reason people are pissed is because none of these things were an issue in bw. We wait 12 years to get a brand new starcraft game and its missing a lot of the features we had from a game made in the 90s!

HotS Terms of Service: All your life are belong to blizzard.

"But it's in the ToS you agreed to it!" durr

The fact that something is a rule or law doesn't make it exempt from criticism and ridicule.


True, if you boycott it they will be forced to change the terms.
But people accept it, and then complain, W T F.


Again, please understand, and this goes for everyone. Contracts cannot be unreasonably burdensome. You cannot sign your life away into slavery or whatever. These contracts are not legal. EULAs and ToS' do not hold up in European courts almost ever because of that.


Yes, ofc, but why does this even matter.

Blizzard is not suing anyone (this time atleast LOL), they will just discontinue the service toward a customer who does not comply to his end of the bargain (contract).


The point I, and other posters are trying to make, are that EULAs and ToS are NOT legally binding contracts in Europe. Period. We're not talking about Blizzard suing anyone, we're saying if someone took Blizzard to court over a disabled account because of a reason given in the EULA or TOS, it is likely that individual would win because contracts that are not given to you BEFORE purchasing a product are not legally binding.
Someone already said that an URL to the EULA is on the SC2 box.


How are you going to get to that URL? Bring a laptop with you? Write down the URL on your hand? Do something else insane and unreasonable?

You know, now that we live in the age of smart phones, this is actually no longer an unreasonable request.
FinnGamer
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany2426 Posts
June 24 2011 21:00 GMT
#529
On June 25 2011 05:58 -Zoda- wrote:
What about the GSTL where there is one account for each team ? ...

I think these are only guest accounts
"hopefully swing the favor in your advantage." - Day[9]
Sina92
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden1303 Posts
June 24 2011 21:00 GMT
#530
Hey you naive fanboys! Blizzard has to warn them. 20k+ people are watching the pros play live and if they see that HuK & TLO are sharing accounts, they might think it is OK, because the pros do it.
Since they set examples it is extra important that they follow the Blizzard ToS.
My penis is 15 inches long, I'm a Harvard professor and look better than Brad Pitt and Jake Gyllenhaal combined.
chickenhawk
Profile Joined February 2011
Portugal339 Posts
June 24 2011 21:00 GMT
#531
Someone already said that an URL to the EULA is on the SC2 box.


1- Contract must be done before purchase
2- Saying that there will be a contract or that it can me found somewhere is irrelevant
fenix404
Profile Joined May 2011
United States305 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-24 21:03:44
June 24 2011 21:01 GMT
#532
lan would in fact fix this... i dont think blizzard has bad intentions here, but we are all (i assume) gamer nerds that have grown up around the pc, LAN party anyone? LAN center? i mean, blizzard is the mere provider in a gigantic community that loves to give them money... i doubt they would lose THAT much (what w/ the WOW income) to at the very least, providing lan support... crashes in multi-thousand dollar+ tournaments sponsored by larger companies is unacceptable imo...

that being said, we are in game 1 only... w/ 2 more to come, and apparently separate ladders...
"think for yourself, question authority"
-Zoda-
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
France3578 Posts
June 24 2011 21:03 GMT
#533
Actually, what surprises me the most is that they are warning players who already have multiple account (at least 1 on EU and 1 on NA for TLO, at least 1 on NA and 1 on KR for Huk...).

♪ 最初はi つなぐdo それ つまりlife 常に移動 ♪ - IGN: Uhryks
QQBazooka
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada7 Posts
June 24 2011 21:03 GMT
#534
Honestly.. whats wrong with account sharing? they both bought the game, and if huk wants to play on his friends account for practice i don't see why he cant? whats the big deal?
LITTLEHEAD
Profile Joined September 2010
United States79 Posts
June 24 2011 21:05 GMT
#535
Wow...what a joke...blizzard has to be more classy than that...
purecarnagge
Profile Joined August 2010
719 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-24 21:18:16
June 24 2011 21:05 GMT
#536
you guys blame Blizzard, but how unprofessional are the players? There is no reason why HUK shouldn't have a EU account. Your a professional act like one.

On top of it you broadcast it to the world!!!!!

User was warned for misrepresenting facts.
IcedBacon
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada906 Posts
June 24 2011 21:05 GMT
#537
I like how no one even bothered to read the thread properly. The issue is 100% about the laddering and not sharing the accounts. People have been borrowing accounts ever since release and Blizzard hasn't said anything. People don't even read things through and immediately proceed to bitch and moan. Bacon out.
"I went Zerg because Artosis is a douchebag." -IdrA
Chocolate
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2350 Posts
June 24 2011 21:05 GMT
#538
On June 25 2011 06:01 fenix404 wrote:
lan would in fact fix this... i dont think blizzard has bad intentions here, but we are all (i assume) gamer nerds that have grown up around the pc, LAN party anyone? LAN center? i mean, blizzard is the mere provider in a gigantic community that loves to give them money... i doubt they would lose THAT much (what w/ the WOW income) to at the very least, providing lan support... crashes in multi-thousand dollar+ tournaments sponsored by larger companies is unacceptable imo...

that being said, we are in game 1 only... w/ 2 more to come, and apparently separate ladders...

don't be naive, they will never give us lan EVER
PlosionCornu
Profile Joined August 2010
Italy814 Posts
June 24 2011 21:06 GMT
#539
On June 25 2011 06:03 -Zoda- wrote:
Actually, what surprises me the most is that they are warning players who already have multiple account (at least 1 on EU and 1 on NA for TLO, at least 1 on NA and 1 on KR for Huk...).



You can have as many accounts as you like, as far as I'm aware.
HoldenR
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands256 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-24 21:08:14
June 24 2011 21:06 GMT
#540
On June 25 2011 06:00 Sinborn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2011 05:58 Hnnngg wrote:
On June 25 2011 05:54 Thorakh wrote:
On June 25 2011 05:50 HoldenR wrote:
On June 25 2011 05:47 PlosionCornu wrote:
On June 25 2011 05:43 HoldenR wrote:
On June 25 2011 05:41 PlosionCornu wrote:
On June 25 2011 05:37 L3gendary wrote:
The reason people are pissed is because none of these things were an issue in bw. We wait 12 years to get a brand new starcraft game and its missing a lot of the features we had from a game made in the 90s!

HotS Terms of Service: All your life are belong to blizzard.

"But it's in the ToS you agreed to it!" durr

The fact that something is a rule or law doesn't make it exempt from criticism and ridicule.


True, if you boycott it they will be forced to change the terms.
But people accept it, and then complain, W T F.


Again, please understand, and this goes for everyone. Contracts cannot be unreasonably burdensome. You cannot sign your life away into slavery or whatever. These contracts are not legal. EULAs and ToS' do not hold up in European courts almost ever because of that.


Yes, ofc, but why does this even matter.

Blizzard is not suing anyone (this time atleast LOL), they will just discontinue the service toward a customer who does not comply to his end of the bargain (contract).


The point I, and other posters are trying to make, are that EULAs and ToS are NOT legally binding contracts in Europe. Period. We're not talking about Blizzard suing anyone, we're saying if someone took Blizzard to court over a disabled account because of a reason given in the EULA or TOS, it is likely that individual would win because contracts that are not given to you BEFORE purchasing a product are not legally binding.
Someone already said that an URL to the EULA is on the SC2 box.


How are you going to get to that URL? Bring a laptop with you? Write down the URL on your hand? Do something else insane and unreasonable?

You know, now that we live in the age of smart phones, this is actually no longer an unreasonable request.


This really depends on how the law would be interpreted in the eyes of a European court. I, for example, don't own an Iphone/smart phone. However, it would be assumed that if one was willing to buy the product they would go home, visit the URL and read the contract. That would hold. However, what I do know is from the few law classes I've followed, is that a EULA basically never holds when it says "We hold the right to revoke your license at any time, for any reason". Basically, what they need is justification, and if it's not given then the entire document is thrown out.

Even if it was not considered unreasonably burdensome to go home to your computer, visit the URL(that you should remember because you can't take the box with you!), read the contract and then return to purchase the product(it probably wouldn't, though), the terms themselves are considered unreasonably burdensome. Almost always. It's because EULAs are usually extremely draconic in what they provide for what you buy. It can best be translated as saying this, basically: "We are offering a service, but can't be held liable if this service is not available, and if at any point, for any reason, we see fit to deny you this service, we will". Then again, I haven't read the full document, but since video games basically have this requirement in there almost always, a proper lawyer would probably get them thrown out of court.
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