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On June 25 2011 05:37 MichaelJLowell wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2011 05:06 PlosionCornu wrote:On June 25 2011 04:59 TALegion wrote:I'm surprised that they had the time to physically call them up. The average person would just get an email  I can see where they're coming from, but it begs the question: Is it really that big of a deal? -_- In my opinion it's not, but they are in their right to do SOMETHING to avoid some unpleasant situation. Somebody from a entertainment business contacted a consumer about his possession and use of the company's retail entertainment product. What is going on in this world where people actually defend this?
It's shit, but that's how contracts work in the gaming industry, I don't like em, but that's the situation we live in.
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I guess they have an issue with just the laddering on the account, but if huk can't find games maybe they should just give him a new account with a high MMR, or fix his accounts MMR. Seems like a simple fix but their phone call was a terrible terrible blow to their credibility/reputation since they don't enforce this rule very often and they hand out dozens of accounts for tourneys every weekend...
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Imagine this:
Microsoft wants more money. They realize in some households/businesses more than one person uses the Windows installed on the machine. They decide that EACH USER must have their own copy of Windows and take out the functionality of having different users on one copy of the software. Then they find out two brothers are actually SIGNING INTO THE SAME ACCOUNT!!! OMG!! Isn't this idiocy?
This is what we are discussing if you replace Microsoft with Blizzard and Windows with SC2...
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On June 25 2011 05:41 PlosionCornu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2011 05:37 L3gendary wrote:
The reason people are pissed is because none of these things were an issue in bw. We wait 12 years to get a brand new starcraft game and its missing a lot of the features we had from a game made in the 90s!
HotS Terms of Service: All your life are belong to blizzard.
"But it's in the ToS you agreed to it!" durr
The fact that something is a rule or law doesn't make it exempt from criticism and ridicule. True, if you boycott it they will be forced to change the terms. But people accept it, and then complain, W T F.
Again, please understand, and this goes for everyone. Contracts cannot be unreasonably burdensome. You cannot sign your life away into slavery or whatever. These contracts are not legal. EULAs and ToS' do not hold up in European courts almost ever because of that.
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Blizzard you need more money to make? 
Seriously, I feel if they want to promote E-sports they shouldn't be this serious regarding this usage. I agree with the ladder thing but still it was only for warming up and the other for custom game shouldn't really matter.
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So you can't play on other accounts ? :S
I think Blizzard got bigger things to handle!
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On June 25 2011 05:42 Faria wrote:
I guess they have an issue with just the laddering on the account, but if huk can't find games maybe they should just give him a new account with a high MMR, or fix his accounts MMR. Seems like a simple fix but their phone call was a terrible terrible blow to their credibility/reputation since they don't enforce this rule very often and they hand out dozens of accounts for tourneys every weekend...
The "my account is bugged" and "stream an account sharing case to 25000 people" are unrelated, since it was a custom game.
As nazgul said, huk could've logged his account and complained about his bugged account in other ways.
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<insert Blizzard hate>
Bastards...
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1.Authority to what? Their own games and services, yes.
2.Who says they are making up laws, just only you. They're making terms and conditions for you to play their own games and services.
3.Same as above, they're not making up laws... just only terms and conditions in a contract/license.
4.From all Blizzard games I have purchased, they state that the product is subject to the EULA inside the product and/or website on the cover. People just overlook it. Besides, Blizzard does try to offer a full refund within 30 days of purchase should you disagree with the EULA.
5.Elaborate.
1- Definition of authority: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/authority
2- Learn to ready qoutes
4- Any contract in EU countries must MUST be present at the time of purchase. A simple not saying 'Oh there is a contract that you must sign after you bought this software'
5- They fail to present me a contract at time of purchase
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On June 25 2011 05:43 HoldenR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2011 05:41 PlosionCornu wrote:On June 25 2011 05:37 L3gendary wrote:
The reason people are pissed is because none of these things were an issue in bw. We wait 12 years to get a brand new starcraft game and its missing a lot of the features we had from a game made in the 90s!
HotS Terms of Service: All your life are belong to blizzard.
"But it's in the ToS you agreed to it!" durr
The fact that something is a rule or law doesn't make it exempt from criticism and ridicule. True, if you boycott it they will be forced to change the terms. But people accept it, and then complain, W T F. Again, please understand, and this goes for everyone. Contracts cannot be unreasonably burdensome. You cannot sign your life away into slavery or whatever. These contracts are not legal. EULAs and ToS' do not hold up in European courts almost ever because of that.
Playing Starcraft like any other guy = Slavery? Even if you actually go through the terms, I can't find one that is particularly unreasonable to the point where it is uncontainable to accept when leveraged against the entertainment offered.
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On June 25 2011 05:43 HoldenR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2011 05:41 PlosionCornu wrote:On June 25 2011 05:37 L3gendary wrote:
The reason people are pissed is because none of these things were an issue in bw. We wait 12 years to get a brand new starcraft game and its missing a lot of the features we had from a game made in the 90s!
HotS Terms of Service: All your life are belong to blizzard.
"But it's in the ToS you agreed to it!" durr
The fact that something is a rule or law doesn't make it exempt from criticism and ridicule. True, if you boycott it they will be forced to change the terms. But people accept it, and then complain, W T F. Again, please understand, and this goes for everyone. Contracts cannot be unreasonably burdensome. You cannot sign your life away into slavery or whatever. These contracts are not legal. EULAs and ToS' do not hold up in European courts almost ever because of that.
Yes, ofc, but why does this even matter.
Blizzard is not suing anyone (this time atleast LOL), they will just discontinue the service toward a customer who does not comply to his end of the bargain (contract).
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OK, here's the thing:
It's part of the TOU and/or EULA that you can't use someone else's account. They did it ON STREAM, which means they're advertising to the 5-10k people that were watching it that you can share accounts. Then, if Blizzard tries to enforce it on any one of those 5-10k people, they'll throw a double standard in their face and point to Huk/TLO.
It's the right move by Blizzard, it's an annoying rule that's difficult to enforce if you don't flaunt it, but is and always will be bannable.
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So disappointed to see how greedy Blizzard is. The fact that Battle.net 2.0 is still missing basic functions that Brood War had is depressing to say the least. I hope this trend doesn't continue.
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Oh Blizzard, never change, you too hilarious~
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On June 25 2011 05:47 PlosionCornu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2011 05:43 HoldenR wrote:On June 25 2011 05:41 PlosionCornu wrote:On June 25 2011 05:37 L3gendary wrote:
The reason people are pissed is because none of these things were an issue in bw. We wait 12 years to get a brand new starcraft game and its missing a lot of the features we had from a game made in the 90s!
HotS Terms of Service: All your life are belong to blizzard.
"But it's in the ToS you agreed to it!" durr
The fact that something is a rule or law doesn't make it exempt from criticism and ridicule. True, if you boycott it they will be forced to change the terms. But people accept it, and then complain, W T F. Again, please understand, and this goes for everyone. Contracts cannot be unreasonably burdensome. You cannot sign your life away into slavery or whatever. These contracts are not legal. EULAs and ToS' do not hold up in European courts almost ever because of that. Yes, ofc, but why does this even matter. Blizzard is not suing anyone (this time atleast LOL), they will just discontinue the service toward a customer who does not comply to his end of the bargain (contract).
The point I, and other posters are trying to make, are that EULAs and ToS are NOT legally binding contracts in Europe. Period. We're not talking about Blizzard suing anyone, we're saying if someone took Blizzard to court over a disabled account because of a reason given in the EULA or TOS, it is likely that individual would win because contracts that are not given to you BEFORE purchasing a product are not legally binding.
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On June 25 2011 05:41 PlosionCornu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2011 05:37 L3gendary wrote:
The reason people are pissed is because none of these things were an issue in bw. We wait 12 years to get a brand new starcraft game and its missing a lot of the features we had from a game made in the 90s!
HotS Terms of Service: All your life are belong to blizzard.
"But it's in the ToS you agreed to it!" durr
The fact that something is a rule or law doesn't make it exempt from criticism and ridicule. True, if you boycott it they will be forced to change the terms. But people accept it, and then complain, W T F.
That's why I refused to sign their abusive ToS once they updated it in beta and never bought sc2. No LAN, no cross-server play, no multiple accounts - NO, THANK YOU.
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Seems extremely petty to me on blizz's part. Blizz should be seeing why they are account sharing instead of just threatening to ban them... I mean Blizzard called them, it wouldn't take much effort to start out with "Hey, why are you guys sharing accounts?"
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It's just plain bad move by them, it's ridiculous...
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If it's against the TOS (which I believe it is) why is it such a surprise that Blizzard would call them out on it and ask them to stop?
I think people are blowing this way out of proportion. Blizzard knows how popular people like Huk and TLO are and they don't want to send the wrong message that sharing accounts is ok. It shouldn't be. Especially when laddering. How many people would see that and thing, "well if Huk and TLO can share accounts, then it must be ok." I'm guessing lots.
This seems like a pretty cut and dry thing and doesn't need to be made into more of an issue than it has to be.
EDIT: I do really like the legal debate on this though and would love to see this go to court. Software companies selling software as services you lease instead of own outright is horrible for consumers.
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On June 25 2011 05:50 HoldenR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2011 05:47 PlosionCornu wrote:On June 25 2011 05:43 HoldenR wrote:On June 25 2011 05:41 PlosionCornu wrote:On June 25 2011 05:37 L3gendary wrote:
The reason people are pissed is because none of these things were an issue in bw. We wait 12 years to get a brand new starcraft game and its missing a lot of the features we had from a game made in the 90s!
HotS Terms of Service: All your life are belong to blizzard.
"But it's in the ToS you agreed to it!" durr
The fact that something is a rule or law doesn't make it exempt from criticism and ridicule. True, if you boycott it they will be forced to change the terms. But people accept it, and then complain, W T F. Again, please understand, and this goes for everyone. Contracts cannot be unreasonably burdensome. You cannot sign your life away into slavery or whatever. These contracts are not legal. EULAs and ToS' do not hold up in European courts almost ever because of that. Yes, ofc, but why does this even matter. Blizzard is not suing anyone (this time atleast LOL), they will just discontinue the service toward a customer who does not comply to his end of the bargain (contract). The point I, and other posters are trying to make, are that EULAs and ToS are NOT legally binding contracts in Europe. Period. We're not talking about Blizzard suing anyone, we're saying if someone took Blizzard to court over a disabled account because of a reason given in the EULA or TOS, it is likely that individual would win because contracts that are not given to you BEFORE purchasing a product are not legally binding. Someone already said that an URL to the EULA is on the SC2 box.
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