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Golgotha
Korea (South)8418 Posts
On June 25 2011 05:06 PlosionCornu wrote: In my opinion it's not, but they are in their right to do SOMETHING to avoid some unpleasant situation. uh are you serious? they are in a messier situation now because they threw a fit about it and now everyone knows. rofl glad you are not their PR guy. The Blizz PR guys keep failing. Getting into the news for stupid shit. | ||
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RoyalCheese
Czech Republic745 Posts
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Flazer
Canada7 Posts
On June 25 2011 05:08 Golgotha wrote: wtf? god some people are ignorant. this is not about admins caring or not caring, this is about the fact that Blizzard's Bnet2.0 system is effed up. So if you want to talk about caring...then they are caring about the wrong and pathetic things! How many people have this problem, seems like it is only Huk with his high MMR. Considering he is fine with only playing at Korea, being as this is a situational condition for playing at Europe, he should have planned to play season 2 in Europe near the start of it. People just like to jump on the bandwagon against the establishment because its all about power to the people :-p | ||
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two.watup
United States371 Posts
On June 25 2011 04:57 Hekisui wrote: And if you are good enough you can make more money than in SC2. This is wrong though. | ||
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Befree
695 Posts
I think you guys are mistaken to argue otherwise. | ||
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Nizaris
Belgium2230 Posts
On June 25 2011 05:13 Befree wrote: Certainly the people who broke the ToU should be the ones in the wrong, not the company that rightfully enforced the ToU and let the rule breakers off with a warning I think you guys are mistaken to argue otherwise. its not a mistake to argue against stupidity. ever. | ||
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Ingebrigtsen
Norway343 Posts
They should fix the ladder thing tho | ||
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0neder
United States3733 Posts
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chickenhawk
Portugal339 Posts
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Megaliskuu
United States5123 Posts
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MooLen
Germany501 Posts
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PlosionCornu
Italy814 Posts
On June 25 2011 05:10 Golgotha wrote: uh are you serious? they are in a messier situation now because they threw a fit about it and now everyone knows. rofl glad you are not their PR guy. The Blizz PR guys keep failing. Getting into the news for stupid shit. Wat, so they should let people publically disregard their rules, people that willingfully accepted said terms? Without doing ANYTHING? If the authority does not respect it's end of some bargain it is a shitty authority, and deserves no respect, because is weak, and bends to common and recurring habits. What they actually did is pretty mild compared to what they were in power to do, and it's actually it's awesome that their PR guy was watching a sc2 event. Relate yourself to real world, if the government has a law which states the following "if a citizen breaks his car's stop lamps he's bound by law to repair them asap" , and then lets everyone travel with cars with broken stop lamps, even under their officers eyes, what would you think of said government? 1) it's a shitty and incompetent government, not even able to enforce it's own laws. 2) if you break your own car's stop lamps why on earth should you observe the law and repair them if noone is doing that? | ||
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MangoTango
United States3670 Posts
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LeaD
Canada464 Posts
On June 25 2011 05:19 PlosionCornu wrote: Wat, so they should let people publically disregard their rules, people that willingfully accepted said terms? Without doing ANYTHING? If the authority does not respect it's end of some bargain it is a shitty authority, and deserves no respect, because is weak, and bends to common and recurring habits. What they actually did is pretty mild compared to what they were in power to do, and it's actually it's awesome that their PR guy was watching a sc2 event. Relate yourself to real world, if the government has a law which states the following "if a citizen breaks his car's stop lamps he's bound by law to repair them asap" , and then lets everyone travel with cars with broken stop lamps, even under their officers eyes, what would you think of said government? 1) it's a shitty and incompetent government, not even able to enforce it's own laws. 2) if you break your own car's stop lamps why on earth should you observe the law and repair them if noone is doing that? Trying to be reasonable with this community is impossible, they whine about anything and everything. Blizzard had every right to do what they did and people here just expect them to constantly make exceptions to make them happy. It wasn't even anything that drastic, they just don't want him to stream that he's breaking their rules, how is that not understandable? | ||
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chickenhawk
Portugal339 Posts
What they actually did is pretty mild compared to what they were in power to do, and it's actually it's awesome that their PR guy was watching a sc2 event. Relate yourself to real world, if the government has a law which states the following "if a citizen breaks his car's stop lamps he's bound by law to repair them asap" , and then lets everyone travel with cars with broken stop lamps, even under their officers eyes, what would you think of said government? 1) it's a shitty and incompetent government, not even able to enforce it's own laws. 2) if you break your own car's stop lamps why on earth should you observe the law and repair them if noone is doing that? 1- Blizzard is not an authority 2- Blizzard can not make laws 3- Blizzard over can make rules with in the laws of countries 4- Blizzard must present said rules at the time of purchase 5- Blizzard fails to do that | ||
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Sinborn
United States275 Posts
On June 25 2011 05:05 chickenhawk wrote: It is irrelevant since in my country the law US law has zero value. Wrong, at very least they are renting a license.. and therefor you have rights. You are failing to see the problem. Any contract must be sign at the moment when you buy something, never ever after you bought it. Saying that there is a contract to be sign is irrelevant, saying that the contract can be found at X place is irrelevant. If the contract is not present at the moment you buy the product, the contact is illegal. I know click-wrap issues exist and, for the most part, you might be able to shoot a ToS down on the basis of adhesion, but I haven't seen a rule that directly produces the outcome that you're talking about, EU or otherwise. Also, I question whether the rule pertaining to the presence of a contract needs to be available at purchase actually exists in any region. You're going to have to find me something to reference it by, because while yeah, it should be that way, I don't think it is that way given that the number of products that rely on click-wrap as well as how retailers work nowadays. | ||
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Ownos
United States2147 Posts
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RoyalCheese
Czech Republic745 Posts
On June 25 2011 05:24 chickenhawk wrote: 1- Blizzard is not an authority 2- Blizzard can not make laws 3- Blizzard over can make rules with in the laws of countries 4- Blizzard must present said rules at the time of purchase 5- Blizzard fails to do that Check out the back of your sc2 box. There is a url to the EULA, so that one can check it out before purchasing. | ||
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HoldenR
Netherlands256 Posts
On June 25 2011 04:56 Sworn wrote: Lol blizzard can ban whoever they want. Literally they need zero reason to ban someone it's their choice because your just borrowing their property. And the ToS is legally binding as soon as you hit agree so it does have legal relevance. There is no legal issues in this at all so please don't spurt random stuff if you don't know. Not true in Europe. Usually, EULA's and ToS on video games don't hold up in European courts with rules like that because it's unreasonably burdensome. You can't sell someone a product and then state "we have the right to revoke your ability to use this product for no reason at all!". They need justifcation, and while this is technically a legal justification that would hold, stating "lol, we didn't like the guy XD" won't hold up. In fact, the entire EULA would be thrown on account of it stating something along the lines of "You are just loaning this and we can revoke your license to play this game at any time for any reason", which is what most video game EULAs say. And since TLO is in Europe, yeah. Then again, it probably wouldn't go to court because no one would bother. EDIT: I should add, EULAs/ToS are usually only shown AFTER purchase of a product. This is grounds for immediate dismissal(Or rather, it does not count as a legally binding contract) in European courts because consumers need to be handed a contract before purchase and they need to be granted a proper amount of time to consult with a legal person before making a decision to buy a product. Since you don't see these terms before buying the product, thrown out. Again, only applies to Europe, I don't know about American legal systems, but it's more likely to be acceptable there due to corporate influences in the legal system. | ||
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Bocian
Poland259 Posts
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