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Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
June 24 2011 20:10 GMT
#461
On June 25 2011 05:06 PlosionCornu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2011 04:59 TALegion wrote:
I'm surprised that they had the time to physically call them up. The average person would just get an email
I can see where they're coming from, but it begs the question: Is it really that big of a deal? -_-


In my opinion it's not, but they are in their right to do SOMETHING to avoid some unpleasant situation.


uh are you serious? they are in a messier situation now because they threw a fit about it and now everyone knows. rofl glad you are not their PR guy. The Blizz PR guys keep failing. Getting into the news for stupid shit.
RoyalCheese
Profile Joined May 2010
Czech Republic745 Posts
June 24 2011 20:11 GMT
#462
While it sucks that HuK can't play ladder because of a broken system, i can sort of see their point. There were mentions about blizzcon tournament and they may have seen it as attempt for TLO to increase his ladder position, which would be bad if they based invites off the ladder. Obviously nothing like that was going on but it's probably better for them to strike preemptively.
Kennigit: "Chill was once able to retire really young, but decided to donate his entire salary TO SUPPORT ESPORTS"
Flazer
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada7 Posts
June 24 2011 20:12 GMT
#463
On June 25 2011 05:08 Golgotha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2011 05:04 Flazer wrote:
Blizzard are showing that they care, whats so bad about that. Some game admins show no care at all, be grateful people!

BTW Huk was streaming before HS on TLO's acc and got it to rank 1 EU.

Circumstances suck but abiding to the rules must be held. It's like listening to a trivia nerd stating random duck facts to you at a party with a megaphone. Kinda annoying but you never know when you might need to use those duck facts just in case if you get attacked by whitera in the wilderness :-p


wtf? god some people are ignorant. this is not about admins caring or not caring, this is about the fact that Blizzard's Bnet2.0 system is effed up. So if you want to talk about caring...then they are caring about the wrong and pathetic things!


How many people have this problem, seems like it is only Huk with his high MMR. Considering he is fine with only playing at Korea, being as this is a situational condition for playing at Europe, he should have planned to play season 2 in Europe near the start of it.

People just like to jump on the bandwagon against the establishment because its all about power to the people :-p
two.watup
Profile Joined March 2011
United States371 Posts
June 24 2011 20:12 GMT
#464
On June 25 2011 04:57 Hekisui wrote:
And if you are good enough you can make more money than in SC2.

This is wrong though.
Befree
Profile Joined April 2010
695 Posts
June 24 2011 20:13 GMT
#465
Certainly the people who broke the ToU should be the ones in the wrong, not the company that rightfully enforced the ToU and let the rule breakers off with a warning

I think you guys are mistaken to argue otherwise.
Nizaris
Profile Joined May 2010
Belgium2230 Posts
June 24 2011 20:15 GMT
#466
On June 25 2011 05:13 Befree wrote:
Certainly the people who broke the ToU should be the ones in the wrong, not the company that rightfully enforced the ToU and let the rule breakers off with a warning

I think you guys are mistaken to argue otherwise.

its not a mistake to argue against stupidity. ever.
Ingebrigtsen
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Norway343 Posts
June 24 2011 20:16 GMT
#467
Account sharing is illegal according to blizzard, HuK and TLO are sharing an account, and showing it to thousands of people, ofcourse blizzard is going to do something, should they have called TLO/Huk? yes, but they are still being nice and not just banning because they broke the terms of use.


They should fix the ladder thing tho
"These animals should be rewarded for not being people... I hate people"
0neder
Profile Joined July 2009
United States3733 Posts
June 24 2011 20:16 GMT
#468
Maybe Blizzard should give themselves a warning for their horrendously managed Blizzcon qualification system.
chickenhawk
Profile Joined February 2011
Portugal339 Posts
June 24 2011 20:19 GMT
#469
Funny... Huk did some laddering with TLO account in Korea.. why didn't blizzard say nothing then?
Megaliskuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5123 Posts
June 24 2011 20:19 GMT
#470
I'm glad I don't stream so I can share accounts all I want and they'll never know MWAHAHAHAH
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MooLen
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany501 Posts
June 24 2011 20:19 GMT
#471
atleast they listening to zerg players and nerf collossies... -.-
PlosionCornu
Profile Joined August 2010
Italy814 Posts
June 24 2011 20:19 GMT
#472
On June 25 2011 05:10 Golgotha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2011 05:06 PlosionCornu wrote:
On June 25 2011 04:59 TALegion wrote:
I'm surprised that they had the time to physically call them up. The average person would just get an email
I can see where they're coming from, but it begs the question: Is it really that big of a deal? -_-


In my opinion it's not, but they are in their right to do SOMETHING to avoid some unpleasant situation.


uh are you serious? they are in a messier situation now because they threw a fit about it and now everyone knows. rofl glad you are not their PR guy. The Blizz PR guys keep failing. Getting into the news for stupid shit.


Wat, so they should let people publically disregard their rules, people that willingfully accepted said terms? Without doing ANYTHING? If the authority does not respect it's end of some bargain it is a shitty authority, and deserves no respect, because is weak, and bends to common and recurring habits.

What they actually did is pretty mild compared to what they were in power to do, and it's actually it's awesome that their PR guy was watching a sc2 event.

Relate yourself to real world, if the government has a law which states the following "if a citizen breaks his car's stop lamps he's bound by law to repair them asap" , and then lets everyone travel with cars with broken stop lamps, even under their officers eyes, what would you think of said government?

1) it's a shitty and incompetent government, not even able to enforce it's own laws.
2) if you break your own car's stop lamps why on earth should you observe the law and repair them if noone is doing that?
MangoTango
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States3670 Posts
June 24 2011 20:22 GMT
#473
lol at epic non-understanding
"One fish, two fish, red fish, BLUE TANK!" - Artosis
LeaD
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada464 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-24 20:23:27
June 24 2011 20:22 GMT
#474
On June 25 2011 05:19 PlosionCornu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2011 05:10 Golgotha wrote:
On June 25 2011 05:06 PlosionCornu wrote:
On June 25 2011 04:59 TALegion wrote:
I'm surprised that they had the time to physically call them up. The average person would just get an email
I can see where they're coming from, but it begs the question: Is it really that big of a deal? -_-


In my opinion it's not, but they are in their right to do SOMETHING to avoid some unpleasant situation.


uh are you serious? they are in a messier situation now because they threw a fit about it and now everyone knows. rofl glad you are not their PR guy. The Blizz PR guys keep failing. Getting into the news for stupid shit.


Wat, so they should let people publically disregard their rules, people that willingfully accepted said terms? Without doing ANYTHING? If the authority does not respect it's end of some bargain it is a shitty authority, and deserves no respect, because is weak, and bends to common and recurring habits.

What they actually did is pretty mild compared to what they were in power to do, and it's actually it's awesome that their PR guy was watching a sc2 event.

Relate yourself to real world, if the government has a law which states the following "if a citizen breaks his car's stop lamps he's bound by law to repair them asap" , and then lets everyone travel with cars with broken stop lamps, even under their officers eyes, what would you think of said government?

1) it's a shitty and incompetent government, not even able to enforce it's own laws.
2) if you break your own car's stop lamps why on earth should you observe the law and repair them if noone is doing that?


Trying to be reasonable with this community is impossible, they whine about anything and everything. Blizzard had every right to do what they did and people here just expect them to constantly make exceptions to make them happy.

It wasn't even anything that drastic, they just don't want him to stream that he's breaking their rules, how is that not understandable?
chickenhawk
Profile Joined February 2011
Portugal339 Posts
June 24 2011 20:24 GMT
#475
What they actually did is pretty mild compared to what they were in power to do, and it's actually it's awesome that their PR guy was watching a sc2 event.

Relate yourself to real world, if the government has a law which states the following "if a citizen breaks his car's stop lamps he's bound by law to repair them asap" , and then lets everyone travel with cars with broken stop lamps, even under their officers eyes, what would you think of said government?

1) it's a shitty and incompetent government, not even able to enforce it's own laws.
2) if you break your own car's stop lamps why on earth should you observe the law and repair them if noone is doing that?


1- Blizzard is not an authority
2- Blizzard can not make laws

3- Blizzard over can make rules with in the laws of countries
4- Blizzard must present said rules at the time of purchase
5- Blizzard fails to do that
Sinborn
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States275 Posts
June 24 2011 20:24 GMT
#476
On June 25 2011 05:05 chickenhawk wrote:
Show nested quote +
No, we're discussing that U.S. law analysis is applicable to the discussion as opposed to irrelevant.


It is irrelevant since in my country the law US law has zero value.

Show nested quote +
Lol blizzard can ban whoever they want. Literally they need zero reason to ban someone it's their choice because your just borrowing their property. And the ToS is legally binding as soon as you hit agree so it does have legal relevance. There is no legal issues in this at all so please don't spurt random stuff if you don't know.


Wrong, at very least they are renting a license.. and therefor you have rights.

Show nested quote +
The ToS is actually relevant because you can retrieve it before you purchase the game as present on their website. The argument would probably crumple based off that given that Blizzard probably put it there for that reason specifically.


You are failing to see the problem. Any contract must be sign at the moment when you buy something, never ever after you bought it. Saying that there is a contract to be sign is irrelevant, saying that the contract can be found at X place is irrelevant. If the contract is not present at the moment you buy the product, the contact is illegal.


I know click-wrap issues exist and, for the most part, you might be able to shoot a ToS down on the basis of adhesion, but I haven't seen a rule that directly produces the outcome that you're talking about, EU or otherwise.

Also, I question whether the rule pertaining to the presence of a contract needs to be available at purchase actually exists in any region. You're going to have to find me something to reference it by, because while yeah, it should be that way, I don't think it is that way given that the number of products that rely on click-wrap as well as how retailers work nowadays.
Ownos
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2147 Posts
June 24 2011 20:25 GMT
#477
They could've just banned the accounts as they had every right to do so. Even bothering to call shows they were willing to give a bit of wiggle room.
...deeper and deeper into the bowels of El Diablo
RoyalCheese
Profile Joined May 2010
Czech Republic745 Posts
June 24 2011 20:26 GMT
#478
On June 25 2011 05:24 chickenhawk wrote:
Show nested quote +
What they actually did is pretty mild compared to what they were in power to do, and it's actually it's awesome that their PR guy was watching a sc2 event.

Relate yourself to real world, if the government has a law which states the following "if a citizen breaks his car's stop lamps he's bound by law to repair them asap" , and then lets everyone travel with cars with broken stop lamps, even under their officers eyes, what would you think of said government?

1) it's a shitty and incompetent government, not even able to enforce it's own laws.
2) if you break your own car's stop lamps why on earth should you observe the law and repair them if noone is doing that?


1- Blizzard is not an authority
2- Blizzard can not make laws

3- Blizzard over can make rules with in the laws of countries
4- Blizzard must present said rules at the time of purchase
5- Blizzard fails to do that


Check out the back of your sc2 box. There is a url to the EULA, so that one can check it out before purchasing.
Kennigit: "Chill was once able to retire really young, but decided to donate his entire salary TO SUPPORT ESPORTS"
HoldenR
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands256 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-24 20:32:24
June 24 2011 20:27 GMT
#479
On June 25 2011 04:56 Sworn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2011 04:44 Hekisui wrote:
Pretty sure it's illegal for Blizzard to ban accounts for random things just because they put it in the ToS. ToS has no legal relevance.


Blizzard is just threatening Huk with theft here.

If you bought SC2, shame on you.



Lol blizzard can ban whoever they want. Literally they need zero reason to ban someone it's their choice because your just borrowing their property. And the ToS is legally binding as soon as you hit agree so it does have legal relevance. There is no legal issues in this at all so please don't spurt random stuff if you don't know.


Not true in Europe. Usually, EULA's and ToS on video games don't hold up in European courts with rules like that because it's unreasonably burdensome. You can't sell someone a product and then state "we have the right to revoke your ability to use this product for no reason at all!". They need justifcation, and while this is technically a legal justification that would hold, stating "lol, we didn't like the guy XD" won't hold up. In fact, the entire EULA would be thrown on account of it stating something along the lines of "You are just loaning this and we can revoke your license to play this game at any time for any reason", which is what most video game EULAs say.

And since TLO is in Europe, yeah. Then again, it probably wouldn't go to court because no one would bother.

EDIT: I should add, EULAs/ToS are usually only shown AFTER purchase of a product. This is grounds for immediate dismissal(Or rather, it does not count as a legally binding contract) in European courts because consumers need to be handed a contract before purchase and they need to be granted a proper amount of time to consult with a legal person before making a decision to buy a product. Since you don't see these terms before buying the product, thrown out. Again, only applies to Europe, I don't know about American legal systems, but it's more likely to be acceptable there due to corporate influences in the legal system.
Bocian
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland259 Posts
June 24 2011 20:29 GMT
#480
lol blizzard what r u doing? Just fix the ladder bugs!!! Damn blizzard is falling down. They don't listen to the community, they are doing more and more wrong things
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