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Naniwa
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Sweden477 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-13 20:43:17
June 13 2011 20:41 GMT
#41
guess you guys are right, i didnt realise that it would be so bad times when i joined obviously, ive learned from my mistakes tho! which is why im withdrawing. only reason i even wrote it in public was so that maybe NASL would fix it for the future participants ( there is alot of room for improvement if they really want ) . I guess there are better ways to get my thoughts across. please ignore the comment above. .



quote from other page.

do europeans lag that bad playing on US? I play on EU from US and it feels to me like i'm playing on US, I don't have any latency at all. I figured it was the same for Eu but obviously not.

when i was at TSL finals i practised with some europeans and i had absolutely no lag on europe, But from europe to US is a completly different story .
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MagickMan
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia498 Posts
June 13 2011 20:42 GMT
#42
On June 14 2011 03:57 Grackodile wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2011 03:53 Bluedraqy wrote:
Idra with 3 ZvTs. looking good!

As long as he doesn't get proxy 2 rax'd -_-


and none of them kill their own CC's
sereniity
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Sweden1159 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-13 20:47:28
June 13 2011 20:47 GMT
#43
delete
"I am Day9, Holy shit!"
MagickMan
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia498 Posts
June 13 2011 20:48 GMT
#44
On June 14 2011 05:47 sereniity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2011 03:59 Naniwa wrote:

even tho you're being honest it's quite lame to write this, kind of hating on the NASL, don't you think?


yup, its called the North American Star League for a reason, these scenarios where obviosly going to be the case from the start and if you dont like them then dont join the league :/
Kazeyonoma
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2912 Posts
June 13 2011 21:17 GMT
#45
On June 14 2011 05:41 Naniwa wrote:
guess you guys are right, i didnt realise that it would be so bad times when i joined obviously, ive learned from my mistakes tho! which is why im withdrawing. only reason i even wrote it in public was so that maybe NASL would fix it for the future participants ( there is alot of room for improvement if they really want ) . I guess there are better ways to get my thoughts across. please ignore the comment above. .



quote from other page.

do europeans lag that bad playing on US? I play on EU from US and it feels to me like i'm playing on US, I don't have any latency at all. I figured it was the same for Eu but obviously not.

when i was at TSL finals i practised with some europeans and i had absolutely no lag on europe, But from europe to US is a completly different story .


Oh I agree. While it is the "NA" starleague, it doesn't make sense to make it disadvantageous to other regions by both time AND server played. I don't see why it wasn't feasible to try to schedule different times for different regions, like KR vs NA could play at X time where it wasn't in the middle of the night, while NA vs EU could play at Y time where it also wans't in the middle of the night/morning for either player, and lastly KR vs EU could have Z time to play that made the most sense for them. Overall good season though, glad to see a lot of my favorites making it into the playoffs and grand finals!

Dignitas fighting!
I now have autographs of both BoxeR and NaDa. I can die happy. Lim Yo Hwan and Lee Yun Yeol FIGHTING forever!
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-13 21:49:52
June 13 2011 21:48 GMT
#46
On June 14 2011 05:48 MagickMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2011 05:47 sereniity wrote:
On June 14 2011 03:59 Naniwa wrote:

even tho you're being honest it's quite lame to write this, kind of hating on the NASL, don't you think?


yup, its called the North American Star League for a reason, these scenarios where obviosly going to be the case from the start and if you dont like them then dont join the league :/


The point is, $100k is enough of a motivation for genuine good players to join the qualifiers regardless of terms. We know it, the players know it, and most importantly, NASL knows it. So because they're getting the players either way, they can afford not to care (for now at least).

In the end it's up to NASL to decide, on their own, whether they want to be fair and responsible as an organization and set up the rules that would make a series between any two players as fair as technically possible OR to completely ignore the issue because there's nothing directly forcing them to implement fair rules. Needless to say, the second decision is not classy at all.

This isn't NASL at all. They knew it would be a global league from day 1 (only KR was questionable I guess). Nobody in their right business mind would throw 100k and what I imagine are insane production costs otherwise. Korean and European invites essentially justify the investment and make the whole league/idea viable in the first place, and the league won't even make a small effort of giving them at least 1 game in a BO3 on their home servers.
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-13 22:02:20
June 13 2011 22:01 GMT
#47
I think Naniwa is referring to the fact that EUvsEU is played on NA and KORvsEU is played on NA too. He hopes this rule will be changed, and I'm with him, as this is just affecting the quality of the games, which is bad for everyone.

edit : did Nani really retire from NASL ? Bleh, so sad TT
MagickMan
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia498 Posts
June 13 2011 22:13 GMT
#48
On June 14 2011 06:48 Talin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2011 05:48 MagickMan wrote:
On June 14 2011 05:47 sereniity wrote:
On June 14 2011 03:59 Naniwa wrote:

even tho you're being honest it's quite lame to write this, kind of hating on the NASL, don't you think?


yup, its called the North American Star League for a reason, these scenarios where obviosly going to be the case from the start and if you dont like them then dont join the league :/


The point is, $100k is enough of a motivation for genuine good players to join the qualifiers regardless of terms. We know it, the players know it, and most importantly, NASL knows it. So because they're getting the players either way, they can afford not to care (for now at least).

In the end it's up to NASL to decide, on their own, whether they want to be fair and responsible as an organization and set up the rules that would make a series between any two players as fair as technically possible OR to completely ignore the issue because there's nothing directly forcing them to implement fair rules. Needless to say, the second decision is not classy at all.

This isn't NASL at all. They knew it would be a global league from day 1 (only KR was questionable I guess). Nobody in their right business mind would throw 100k and what I imagine are insane production costs otherwise. Korean and European invites essentially justify the investment and make the whole league/idea viable in the first place, and the league won't even make a small effort of giving them at least 1 game in a BO3 on their home servers.


Please stop posting to simply raise your post count.

User was warned for this post
xtfftc
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom2343 Posts
June 13 2011 22:22 GMT
#49
I'd like to hear from more European players about the lag. Some have been pretty vocal about it (Naniwa, Adelscott, etc.) but others not as much. Also, while it was obviously terrible for some Koreans, players such as Nada often demonstrated really good banshee micro, which shouldn't be possible with too bad of a latency. So it would be interesting to hear how widespread the problems actually are.
windzor
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark1013 Posts
June 13 2011 22:57 GMT
#50
On June 14 2011 07:22 xtfftc wrote:
I'd like to hear from more European players about the lag. Some have been pretty vocal about it (Naniwa, Adelscott, etc.) but others not as much. Also, while it was obviously terrible for some Koreans, players such as Nada often demonstrated really good banshee micro, which shouldn't be possible with too bad of a latency. So it would be interesting to hear how widespread the problems actually are.


I guess it's more like some people play better under some conditions than other. If Naniwa doesn't like the conditions, but didn't know about them before played some games in the NASL, it's only fair for him to withdraw from season 2. Lots of other good players to fill the spots anyway.

It's not like NASL is the only tournament in the world...
Yeah
sCfO20
Profile Joined May 2011
176 Posts
June 13 2011 22:59 GMT
#51
omfg nada hype machine.

NaDa's been on fire in korea, if he takes this tourney seriously, he'll stomp.
DoomsVille
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada4885 Posts
June 13 2011 23:01 GMT
#52
The times are set because they record everything while the games are played. Gretorp and incontrol are casting in a studio to live games. So they have to do it during the daytime in california when everyone is at work. They can't just do it in the middle of the night. All of their staff can't be working all day and night. They have to do it during the daytime for the people in california.

The only possible solution is to cast from replays. Other than that there isn't much they can do...
godemperor
Profile Joined October 2010
Belgium2043 Posts
June 13 2011 23:03 GMT
#53
On June 14 2011 05:41 Naniwa wrote:
guess you guys are right, i didnt realise that it would be so bad times when i joined obviously, ive learned from my mistakes tho! which is why im withdrawing. only reason i even wrote it in public was so that maybe NASL would fix it for the future participants ( there is alot of room for improvement if they really want ) . I guess there are better ways to get my thoughts across. please ignore the comment above. .



quote from other page.

do europeans lag that bad playing on US? I play on EU from US and it feels to me like i'm playing on US, I don't have any latency at all. I figured it was the same for Eu but obviously not.

when i was at TSL finals i practised with some europeans and i had absolutely no lag on europe, But from europe to US is a completly different story .

Disappointing, but I can't fault you for wanting to play in an optimal condition. GL in the future!
TheAuditor
Profile Joined February 2011
United States136 Posts
June 13 2011 23:04 GMT
#54
On June 14 2011 06:17 Kazeyonoma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2011 05:41 Naniwa wrote:
guess you guys are right, i didnt realise that it would be so bad times when i joined obviously, ive learned from my mistakes tho! which is why im withdrawing. only reason i even wrote it in public was so that maybe NASL would fix it for the future participants ( there is alot of room for improvement if they really want ) . I guess there are better ways to get my thoughts across. please ignore the comment above. .



quote from other page.

do europeans lag that bad playing on US? I play on EU from US and it feels to me like i'm playing on US, I don't have any latency at all. I figured it was the same for Eu but obviously not.

when i was at TSL finals i practised with some europeans and i had absolutely no lag on europe, But from europe to US is a completly different story .


Oh I agree. While it is the "NA" starleague, it doesn't make sense to make it disadvantageous to other regions by both time AND server played. I don't see why it wasn't feasible to try to schedule different times for different regions, like KR vs NA could play at X time where it wasn't in the middle of the night, while NA vs EU could play at Y time where it also wans't in the middle of the night/morning for either player, and lastly KR vs EU could have Z time to play that made the most sense for them. Overall good season though, glad to see a lot of my favorites making it into the playoffs and grand finals!

Dignitas fighting!



If you did that, the casters would have to be at the studio for just about 24 hours to accommodate everyone's schedule.

I'm not too sure why the players are complaining. This is a league with a high prize pool. TBH NASL needs to ignore these players requests, because if they don't like it, they can leave and new players will be there to take the spots. They knew what they were signing up for, and if they aren't willing to set aside extra time in order to do their matches, or change their sleep schedule a little bit, then they can get out of the league and someone who is willing to will do that. I guess $50,000 doesn't speak loud and clear for some people as I thought it would.
PGriff
Profile Joined November 2010
United States119 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-13 23:11:22
June 13 2011 23:05 GMT
#55
IMO the 10 seed is the easiest bracket for the 4 way tie group. If I were Idra I would throw my tiebreaker games.

Although I'm not sure what is going on with Naniwa now, that could be a decent bracket. I would hate to get Ace though. 10 seems pretty manageable.
elementz
Profile Joined October 2010
United States281 Posts
June 13 2011 23:06 GMT
#56
Cast from replays if that means better production values and better games, and more fair games.
this mah s#$%$
Moody
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States750 Posts
June 13 2011 23:07 GMT
#57
On June 14 2011 08:05 PGriff wrote:
IMO the 10 seed is the easiest bracket for the 4 way tie group. If I were IdrA I would throw my tiebreaker games.


He probably will throw it via GGing early.
A marine walks into a bar and asks, "Where's the counter?"
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
June 13 2011 23:09 GMT
#58
On June 14 2011 05:41 Naniwa wrote:
guess you guys are right, i didnt realise that it would be so bad times when i joined obviously, ive learned from my mistakes tho! which is why im withdrawing. only reason i even wrote it in public was so that maybe NASL would fix it for the future participants ( there is alot of room for improvement if they really want ) . I guess there are better ways to get my thoughts across. please ignore the comment above. .



quote from other page.

do europeans lag that bad playing on US? I play on EU from US and it feels to me like i'm playing on US, I don't have any latency at all. I figured it was the same for Eu but obviously not.

when i was at TSL finals i practised with some europeans and i had absolutely no lag on europe, But from europe to US is a completly different story .



are you atleast staying for the end of the season though? this thread has me confused. sweden hwaiting D:
godemperor
Profile Joined October 2010
Belgium2043 Posts
June 13 2011 23:11 GMT
#59
On June 14 2011 08:06 elementz wrote:
Cast from replays if that means better production values and better games, and more fair games.

Agreed, while cast live have that "wow, it live!" factor, its better for an global online tournament to cast from replay for all sorts of reasons (logistic, fairplay and other). Casting live but broadcast later seems to have none of advantages and some of the faults IMO.
R1CH
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Netherlands10341 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-13 23:16:04
June 13 2011 23:14 GMT
#60
On June 14 2011 05:41 Naniwa wrote:
when i was at TSL finals i practised with some europeans and i had absolutely no lag on europe, But from europe to US is a completly different story .

US to Europe is generally better, especially from TLHQ since we're on the East coast. The packets have to go to to I believe France? where EU bnet is, which is quite central to Europe. From TLHQ this takes 100ms, a reasonable ping.

Europe to US is much worse since Blizzard located the US servers on the US West coast, adding another 80ms at least to get across the whole US, so EU to US would be closer to 200ms.
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