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Duravi
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1205 Posts
June 14 2011 07:11 GMT
#81
When do the actual NASL playoff games start airing? There is nothing up on the website...
Frankon
Profile Joined May 2010
3054 Posts
June 14 2011 07:38 GMT
#82
On June 14 2011 05:29 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2011 05:18 Talin wrote:
On June 14 2011 04:58 TheResidentEvil wrote:
Naniwa..i am disappoint.

Koreans play with the same or worse lag with the same or worse time slots. Like 4 out of the top 10 are koreans.


Just because some players can win a series even under unfair conditions doesn't justify the way rules are set up.


do europeans lag that bad playing on US? I play on EU from US and it feels to me like i'm playing on US, I don't have any latency at all. I figured it was the same for Eu but obviously not.

Look @Mana. How many times in NASL did he had the drop counter pop up?
TheBB
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Switzerland5133 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-14 08:51:04
June 14 2011 08:43 GMT
#83
On June 14 2011 03:48 motbob wrote:
Playoff brackets! :D

Uhhh I think there might be an error in NASL's standings on their website. I don't think Morrow is at +9...

Liquipedia here. We have the same numbers as Motbob, basically. (Didn't check them all, but I also had Morrow vs Ace, and Morrow on +7). Would like some clarification.
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Hammurabio
Profile Joined August 2010
152 Posts
June 14 2011 09:18 GMT
#84
The matches are being shown tonight (Tuesday). So most likely all the matches were recorded on Monday. It's too late to fix any seeding error now.
K_Dilkington
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden449 Posts
June 14 2011 10:55 GMT
#85

I feel that there are alot of hypocrisy from the side of NASL. I've repeatedly heard them saying that they want as many top European players as possible playing in NASL.The whole league obviously needs Euro and Korea pros to play in the league because without them the league would be pretty uninteresting if we're going to be completely honest here. Despite this they make no effort in accommodating the European and Korean players. And this is worst for Euro players because of the bnet server being located at the west coast on the NA side. Euro players have, by far, the worst playing conditions in NASL and the leadership behind NASL doesn't seem to care.

I really question the professionally of the people behind NASL if we don't see big changes for season 2.
Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by the age of 18
Jinsho
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom3101 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-14 17:06:51
June 14 2011 17:06 GMT
#86
+ Show Spoiler +

On June 14 2011 03:48 motbob wrote:
Playoff brackets! :D

Uhhh I think there might be an error in NASL's standings on their website. I don't think Morrow is at +9...

Morrow 2-0 Rainbow +2
Morrow 2-1 TLO +3
Morrow 0-2 Kiwikaki +1
Morrow 2-1 Moon +2
Morrow 2-0 Vibe +4
Morrow 2-0 Artosis +6
Morrow 2-1 Fenix +7
Morrow 2-1 Grubby +8
Morrow 1-2 Sheth +7

So Morrow should be playing a tiebreaker against Ace... Xeris, can you comment on this?

1. (Z)Zenio 7-2 (15-5) +10
2. (P)Ace 7-2 (15-8) +7
2. (Z)MorroW 7-2 (15-8) +7
4. (P)NaNiwa 6-2 (13-4) +9
5. (P)MC 6-2 (12-8) +4
6. (P)KiWiKaKi 6-3 (13-6) +7
7. (Z)IdrA 6-3 (13-8) +5
7. (T)Fenix 6-3 (13-8) +5
7. (T)SjoW 6-3 (13-8) +5
7. (T)NaDa 6-3 (14-9) + 5
11. (P)MaNa 5-4 (11-9) +2
12. (P)HasuObs 5-4 (12-11) +1
12. (P)TT1 5-4 (11-10) +1
14. (Z)DarKFoRcE 5-4 (11-11) +0
15. (Z)MoMaN 4-5 (12-11) +1
16. (P)Axslav 4-5 (11-11) +0
16. (P)CrunCher 4-5 (11-11) +0
18. (T)BRAT_OK 4-5 (10-12) -2
18. (P)Socke 4-5 (10-12) -2
20. (T)dde 4-5 (9-12) -3

Note that TLO gave up his playoff spot.

Playoff Matchups:

(Z)Zenio vs (T)dde
(P)MaNa vs (Z)IdrA / (T)Fenix / (T)SjoW / (T)NaDa (10)

(P)Ace / (Z)MorroW (2) vs (T)BRAT_OK / (P)Socke (19)
(P)HasuObs / (P)TT1 (12) vs (Z)IdrA / (T)Fenix / (T)SjoW / (T)NaDa (9)

(P)Ace / (Z)MorroW (3) vs (T)BRAT_OK / (P)Socke (18)
(P)HasuObs / (P)TT1 (13) vs (Z)IdrA / (T)Fenix / (T)SjoW / (T)NaDa (8)

(P)NaNiwa vs (P)Axslav / (P)CrunCher (17)
(Z)DarKFoRcE vs (Z)IdrA / (T)Fenix / (T)SjoW / (T)NaDa (7)

(P)MC vs (P)Axslav / (P)CrunCher (16)
(Z)MoMaN vs (P)KiWiKaKi

Cruncher, Axslav... it's time to make like Lx in WCG and throw your match.



Wait, so did the NASL actually make a mistake there? Or is there a mistake in the reported results?
xtfftc
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom2343 Posts
June 14 2011 17:42 GMT
#87
On June 14 2011 15:43 adeezy wrote:
YOu know, if making it casted live is such a big deal and all that that it causes players like naniwa to not want to play in the league, then i'd rather it casted from replays so it's done by player convenience. If it's just regular season matches I don't see the big deal. It will only help the league.

Same. I don't see Blizzard fixing Battle.net anytime soon, so casting from replays seems to be the best option.
Hammurabio
Profile Joined August 2010
152 Posts
June 14 2011 18:39 GMT
#88
On June 15 2011 02:06 Jinsho wrote:
Wait, so did the NASL actually make a mistake there? Or is there a mistake in the reported results?


This is just a systemic problem with NASL. There's no one in charge, no one that cares about the quality. The standings on the NASL website have been incorrect since week one. It's been pointed out here on the forums and in private emails/PMs. NASL ignored all this. Now the players have likely played the wrong matchups.

Jinsho
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom3101 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-14 19:20:23
June 14 2011 19:19 GMT
#89
On June 15 2011 03:39 Hammurabio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2011 02:06 Jinsho wrote:
Wait, so did the NASL actually make a mistake there? Or is there a mistake in the reported results?


This is just a systemic problem with NASL. There's no one in charge, no one that cares about the quality. The standings on the NASL website have been incorrect since week one. It's been pointed out here on the forums and in private emails/PMs. NASL ignored all this. Now the players have likely played the wrong matchups.



If this is true, then nevermind the nonexistent calendar entries, this is so bad.
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
June 14 2011 19:20 GMT
#90
On June 15 2011 04:19 Jinsho wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2011 03:39 Hammurabio wrote:
On June 15 2011 02:06 Jinsho wrote:
Wait, so did the NASL actually make a mistake there? Or is there a mistake in the reported results?


This is just a systemic problem with NASL. There's no one in charge, no one that cares about the quality. The standings on the NASL website have been incorrect since week one. It's been pointed out here on the forums and in private emails/PMs. NASL ignored all this. Now the players have likely played the wrong matchups.



If this is true, then nevermind the nonexistent calendar entries, this is so bad.


Incorrect, actually.
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Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-14 19:36:02
June 14 2011 19:34 GMT
#91
There are a few issues:

(1) several players voluntarily chose to not play their tiebreak games
(2) there was an update on our website that messed with results, so we did make 1-2 accounting errors, although again these errors are just for seeding and didn't have any larger impact (I.E. relegating someone)

Now, about playing conditions for Europeans...

NASL games are played at 21 CET each day. I tried to schedule everyone in as favorable of a time as possible. Sometimes it wasn't possible (I.E. a European playing in Match 5 plays at 1am or so). We had to choose a time that was good for the largest amount of people. The time period we chose is reasonable for Americans and Europeans, so we did it.


PS...

the playoff schedule will be announced after tiebreak tuesday!
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DoomsVille
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada4885 Posts
June 14 2011 19:36 GMT
#92
Can you give us a schedule of which games will actually occur tonight and the results of the games where someone forfeited?
IPA
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3206 Posts
June 14 2011 19:37 GMT
#93
Most important question: who is casting?
Time held me green and dying though I sang in my chains like the sea.
coddan
Profile Joined May 2010
Estonia890 Posts
June 14 2011 19:39 GMT
#94
I would classify playing the wrong guy as a pretty large impact....
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
June 14 2011 19:45 GMT
#95
On June 15 2011 04:37 IPA wrote:
Most important question: who is casting?


Moletrap + Diggity!
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Talkerst
Profile Joined October 2010
124 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-14 20:48:35
June 14 2011 19:58 GMT
#96
On June 15 2011 04:36 DoomsVille wrote:
Can you give us a schedule of which games will actually occur tonight and the results of the games where someone forfeited?

I'm guessing everyone listed is playing tonight. However, several of the top 10 opted out of playing a tie-break such as July/Sheth/Squirtle as Boxer/Strelok in addition to Morrow/Ace in the playoffs. Could easily be more that I didn't see.

Edit: Realized Morrow/Ace not having a tiebreak invalidated my statement that all payoff tiebreaks were being played so removed that part.

DoomsVille
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada4885 Posts
June 14 2011 20:00 GMT
#97
On June 15 2011 04:58 Talkerst wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2011 04:36 DoomsVille wrote:
Can you give us a schedule of which games will actually occur tonight and the results of the games where someone forfeited?

I'm guessing everyone listed is playing tonight. However, several of the top 10 opted out of playing a tie-break such as July/Sheth/Squirtle and Sen/SeleCT. May be others I haven't seen though it looks like all the playoff tiebreaks are going through.

Oh that makes a ton of sense. Thanks.
PuercoPop
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Peru277 Posts
June 14 2011 20:06 GMT
#98
Why not roundrobin to resolve the 4-way tie? OSL-style. It is not prohibitively more games and according to game theory it would lead to the optimal result.
The Proof of the Pudding is in the eating!
ExPresident
Profile Joined January 2010
United States215 Posts
June 14 2011 20:15 GMT
#99
On June 15 2011 03:39 Hammurabio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2011 02:06 Jinsho wrote:
Wait, so did the NASL actually make a mistake there? Or is there a mistake in the reported results?


This is just a systemic problem with NASL. There's no one in charge, no one that cares about the quality. The standings on the NASL website have been incorrect since week one. It's been pointed out here on the forums and in private emails/PMs. NASL ignored all this. Now the players have likely played the wrong matchups.



I'd say the thought of 'no one cares about the quality' is completely bogus. Clearly they think about the quality as they setup the league, many of which did it because this is their passion. Now, whether or not they act intelligently, make the right decisions, or are organized is another story, but I think its pretty clear people care.
Talkerst
Profile Joined October 2010
124 Posts
June 14 2011 20:17 GMT
#100
On June 15 2011 05:06 PuercoPop wrote:
Why not roundrobin to resolve the 4-way tie? OSL-style. It is not prohibitively more games and according to game theory it would lead to the optimal result.

Wouldn't it be possible to still have a tie with a round robin? Not sure about the OSL rules for it. Since they have to pre-schedule everyone's time I think anything that risks a further tie would be a non-starter.
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