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LuciferSC
Canada535 Posts
1 & 2 - Yes, as I wrote above, having something softer to rest your wrist on is better than hard wood/plastic of the desk. However, get ones where there isn't much friction - if they stick to your wrist/forearm, they may do more harm then good. 3 - I wouldn't recommend resting your elbow on your chair armrest, as that can put additional stretch and thus pressure on your forearm muscles and connective tissues. | ||
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mevy
Sweden13 Posts
On June 10 2011 11:55 Angry_Fetus wrote: Having your entire forearm on the desk forces you to either slouch forward or sit up straight. As shown above, this is bad for your back. Nope, something like this: ![[image loading]](http://data.fuskbugg.se/skalman02/4df190652197f_qwe.png) | ||
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LordOfDabu
United States394 Posts
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prodigysc2
United States83 Posts
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10366 Posts
You have tendons in your arms where, when stressed, can lead to tendonitus and/or carpel tunnel syndrome etc. And yes that picture in the first few posts is very good, just read what I just said about the arm rest. Also, it's better if your keyboard/hands are lower than your elbow than above; you don't want blood flow to be cut off to your hands. Edit: You may also just be playing too intensely between matches. As in, you might be skipping a vital 1 minute between each game or something to relax. Make sure your hands don't feel fuzzy before starting a new game and that they're not cold. Make sure you stretch around etc., so blood can flow well. Make sure your wrist tendons don't feel tight. If the pain persists, use some ice on your wrists (or wherever it hurts). If it hurts it might be tendonitus, which can be helped by ice (stop the swelling in tendons). You can also try warm/hot water to increase circulation and loosen up the tendons, but it has a small side effect of making the tendons possibly swell more or prevent them from "shrinking" (that's why you use cold water when something swells, instead of hot). Another option is to get wrist splints especially if you want to become pro. It barely bothers me when I wear mine and tbh it looks cool and makes you feel more pro. Plus it makes it easier to play since the splint basically lets your hand rest in midair. There are a few different kinds, I suggest you get any besides the really big ones that extend down the arm or the small ones that are only like 2 inches. Get the kind where you can slide your hand through. Of these kinds there are also a couple different versions; I get the one where you can move your thumb freely, of course. But there is 1 of these versions where it's specifically made for trigger finger (your thumb feels tight and when you squeeze the flesh between your index and thumb you should be able to feel a thin, tight tendon); I think that's the one where the thumb is more restricted. I taped a SlayerS logo over where my wrist splint's brand logo was. Gosu! | ||
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prodigysc2
United States83 Posts
On June 10 2011 16:07 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: If you're resting your arms on your arm rest, yes you can get tendonitus. However, if you keep only your elbow on it (like if the arm rest curves downwards) and so only your elbow is contacting the arm rest and the ball of your hands on the desk, then you will be fine. You have tendons in your arms where, when stressed, can lead to tendonitus and/or carpel tunnel syndrome etc. And yes that picture in the first few posts is very good, just read what I just said about the arm rest. Also, it's better if your keyboard/hands are lower than your elbow than above; you don't want blood flow to be cut off to your hands. Edit: You may also just be playing too intensely between matches. As in, you might be skipping a vital 1 minute between each game or something to relax. Make sure your hands don't feel fuzzy before starting a new game and that they're not cold. Make sure you stretch around etc., so blood can flow well. Make sure your wrist tendons don't feel tight. i rest my arms on my arm rest because it does not point down. my keyboard and mouse are on equal level with my elbow. often times my keyboard and mouse are actually higher. actually alot of times. and ya i feel like i tense up quite a bit in the mid game when my apm hits about 180ish and i start micro vs blings, mutas, etc... etc.. i try stretching 4-6 times a day but my wrists/forearms always seem tight. and when i wake up in the morning it is so bad i can barely bend my wrist when i make a fist and stretch the wrist up and down. it takes me like 20 minutes to loosten them up | ||
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prodigysc2
United States83 Posts
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10366 Posts
If you feel fuzziness during tenseness with high APM and such, then be careful it may lead to carpel tunnel syndrome (which isn't permanent unless if you ignore the pain for a foolishly long time). Also, make sure your hands are positioned so that they rest only on 1 point (usually the ball of your hand) and not on two, especially your keyboard hand. It is tempting to do so but by resting it on both the ball and the "smaller ball", it puts pressure on the tissues between your wrist tendons, and that pressure leads to irritation AKA Carpel Tunnel Syndrome (The demon of gaming). Anyways, resting on 1 ball gives you more flexibility and range of movement. If you must rest your keyboard hand on both balls if you get tired, just be sure you're not doing it for too long each time. About the arm rests; if your arms are perpendicular to the ground but your arm and not just the elbow is resting on the arm rests, you may need to adjust your chair or such so that it doesn't. Either have only the ball of your hand contact the desk or your elbow and balls. I don't rest my elbow and I don't get significantly tired. Edit: Practice with wrist splints after possibly resting a bit again (a few days, unless the pain is not significant); i hope it will help you a lot. Edit2: I only have 1 wrist splint; for my keyboard hand. You really don't need it for the mouse hand. | ||
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prodigysc2
United States83 Posts
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BleaK_
Norway593 Posts
On June 10 2011 08:11 TheChostoProject wrote: The solution is not to buy stuff like fancy chairs or keyboards. You just have to take care of your body and do proper warm-ups and stretching before playing, and proper warm-down and stretching after playing. this. watch day 9' first mechanics daily. | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10366 Posts
Yeah, those are the 2 inch ones I'm talking about. I haven't tried them but I can't imagine them being any more useful than the ones that are more like gloves. I guess people like that kind (the small ones) since it looks more natural and attracts less attention. The way a wrist splint works is that there's... a splint that will naturally contact the underside of your arm (a bit further towards your shoulders than your wrists) and the middle of your palm. What this does is spread out and relocate the pressure from the really sensitive tissue/tendon area which is right in the center of the underside of your arm right where your wrist is to a bit further up the arm. I'm not sure where your pain is, but if it's in the wrist, this will definitely help. If it's not there, it will help prevent future injury and pain in the wrist and will save energy anyways. I found the one I use: http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=futuro wrist brace&hl=en&rlz=1C1GPCK_enUS392&prmd=ivns&resnum=3&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&biw=1802&bih=950&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=13932795825501406712&sa=X&ei=48zxTeLgHIucgQftk9zlCw&ved=0CIIBEPMCMAk It's an easy strap on (velcro) and adjustable at 3 different points so it's really comfortable. The different straps also let you further relocate the pressure to different parts of your hand/wrist/arm immediately like if you are laddering hard and you find some point of your arm/wrist/hand hurting. If you're not sure how it feels just go to a CVS or something and open up the boxes and try them; when I bought my first most of the boxes were opened up and they might have even been used and just returned xD. | ||
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prodigysc2
United States83 Posts
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vicariouscheese
United States589 Posts
 )I wouldn't recommend ergonomic keyboards simply because of their layouts, they don't seem conducive to upper level gaming. The angles of your keyboard/mouse and how far apart your hands are are very important as well. It took me like a month of trial and error to find the best positions for fps playing when I was doing that hardcore (like 8 hours a day -_-) Took a while because I use low sensitivity though. | ||
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GigaFlop
United States1146 Posts
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MrCeeJ
United Kingdom57 Posts
I used to really struggle with back/neck/shoulder pain and also pain in my left (keyboard) hand either stiff fingers or sore/'clicky' wrist. My initial solution was to stop playing games and get out more, which helped but not for long (started playing games again ). So a big birthday came along and my family (concerned for my health) bought me an ergonomic chair Ergohuman and I upgraded my monitor to a fully adjustable one so now I have a posture more or less identical to the picture on the first page of the thread (go me ).So I still spend as long in front of the computer but I am very mobile, I will reposition my kb / mouse from the edge of the desk to 6-12 inches in, go from being upright to leaning back quite a lot (the adjustable tension back allows me to set the chair so I can lean at pretty much any angle and be comfortable and well supported). I go running 3-5 times a week which has helped alot with all aspects of my general health. I also stretch a little between games or when I change focus, and get up and walk around every hour or so. The long and short of it is that whatever you are doing now is causing you great pain, and that pain is a signal that something is wrong in your setup and you are hurting yourself, possibly seriously. No amount of ergonomic hardware will allow you to play indefinitely with no side effect so you will always need to balance the need for practise with the need to be able to play next week, but fixing the issues you have will greatly reduce the impact on your hands/wrists. | ||
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prodigysc2
United States83 Posts
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prodigysc2
United States83 Posts
On June 11 2011 01:56 MrCeeJ wrote: As an avid gamer and programmer that works from home, I am at my pc from approximately 7:30am till 11:30 pm. I used to really struggle with back/neck/shoulder pain and also pain in my left (keyboard) hand either stiff fingers or sore/'clicky' wrist. My initial solution was to stop playing games and get out more, which helped but not for long (started playing games again ). So a big birthday came along and my family (concerned for my health) bought me an ergonomic chair Ergohuman and I upgraded my monitor to a fully adjustable one so now I have a posture more or less identical to the picture on the first page of the thread (go me ).So I still spend as long in front of the computer but I am very mobile, I will reposition my kb / mouse from the edge of the desk to 6-12 inches in, go from being upright to leaning back quite a lot (the adjustable tension back allows me to set the chair so I can lean at pretty much any angle and be comfortable and well supported). I go running 3-5 times a week which has helped alot with all aspects of my general health. I also stretch a little between games or when I change focus, and get up and walk around every hour or so. The long and short of it is that whatever you are doing now is causing you great pain, and that pain is a signal that something is wrong in your setup and you are hurting yourself, possibly seriously. No amount of ergonomic hardware will allow you to play indefinitely with no side effect so you will always need to balance the need for practise with the need to be able to play next week, but fixing the issues you have will greatly reduce the impact on your hands/wrists. dam that chair looks awesome! but its 600 bucks. sad face  | ||
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Kinshuk
India116 Posts
and my setup is like the picture the first responder posted. part of my arm is on the table while i play so my whole arm ends up being level. | ||
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prodigysc2
United States83 Posts
On June 11 2011 02:02 Kinshuk wrote: slightly off topic but are you the mapmaker prodigy? and my setup is like the picture the first responder posted. part of my arm is on the table while i play so my whole arm ends up being level. no im not hha. just a high level master terran who is suffering from arm pain lol | ||
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DusTerr
2520 Posts
(typing all day and getting rated on my ergonomics monthly - the company really didn't want to pay if any of us complained of RSI/CTS etc) try to keep your shoulders relaxed, arms hanging, elbows at 90*, forearms parallel to the floor and thighs (this puts your desk surface right above your lap) and most importantly... your wrists should not be bent (do not prop up the back of your keyboard so it angles toward you). Keep the top of your monitor just above eye level (slightly higher if it's larger than 20"). Finally... take 30 seconds between each match to move around - even just standing up and stretching your arms at the ceiling. On June 11 2011 01:57 prodigysc2 wrote: is it okay to not even rest my keyboard hand at all when typing? what if i kept my elbow and forearm off my arm rest from my chair and kept my wrist off the table so my hand is floating above my keyboard while typing. is this okay? better? worse? I was always told never to rest my wrists or elbows while typing. i would think you're better off letting your hand "hang" naturally over your keyboard and mouse (again, this really requires you to have your desk at the right height). | ||
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