EPTMLG Columbus Spoiler. Idra Article! - Page 17
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Nocthem
Canada71 Posts
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Nisco
Brazil98 Posts
Now we know the truth. Idra is just simply confused about when you are supposed to GG. Somebody should get the word out to him ASAP that you gg when you lose the game. When you win the game, wait for the other person to say gg and leave first. | ||
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bashalisk
102 Posts
On June 07 2011 01:03 okrane wrote: So for famous memes we now have: * The Tasteless Build * The Artosis Pylon * The IdrA gg  + * The Naniwa Dance | ||
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ProxyKnoxy
United Kingdom2576 Posts
- IdrA saw that the size of the drop was small when he ran all his drones away, and there was no way they could be killed that quickly I seriously just don't understand. Everything could have been so different  | ||
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GeorgeForeman
United States1746 Posts
It's that last sentence that should really bug you if you're an Idra fan. He flat out refuses to play games where he's been delivered a setback. He assumes they're lost. He doesn't try to do anything crazy or risky or whatever to get back into it. He's unwilling to even TRY. And that's why I can't root for him, as insanely talented as he is. As amazing as it is to watch his macro. His mentality is so off-putting that even when it's "Only Foreigner Left in MLG vs. Korean", I have a lot of trouble pulling for him. But you know what? He's like 22. So he's got time to figure out his head. And if he does, he can be the best. And if he manages to get there, I'll be rooting for him 100%. | ||
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SichuanPanda
Canada1542 Posts
On June 07 2011 03:14 GeorgeForeman wrote: It's not a matter of asymmetrical information or Idra "respecting" his opponent too much to make him play out a won game. It's Idra's mind set. He goes in expecting to lose to great players. What's lost in this discussion is how absurdly well MMA did in that battle. Idra was maxed with a TON of banelings and muta, and when it was over, EVERYTHING Idra had on the ground was dead. Then there was the simultaneous drop that Idra didn't clear out effectively (but still managed to save all of his drones from). Idra was pissed because he'd played a fantastic game up to that point and then saw his army get murdered cost-effectively by MMA. If MMA hadn't killed his Orbital, he'd have probably had an advantage, and Idra didn't want to try to play against a terran with an advantage. It's that last sentence that should really bug you if you're an Idra fan. He flat out refuses to play games where he's been delivered a setback. He assumes they're lost. He doesn't try to do anything crazy or risky or whatever to get back into it. He's unwilling to even TRY. And that's why I can't root for him, as insanely talented as he is. As amazing as it is to watch his macro. His mentality is so off-putting that even when it's "Only Foreigner Left in MLG vs. Korean", I have a lot of trouble pulling for him. But you know what? He's like 22. So he's got time to figure out his head. And if he does, he can be the best. And if he manages to get there, I'll be rooting for him 100%. I stopped rooting for IdrA when he threw away his Code S spot in GSL 4 to go and play less profitable tournaments in the US. | ||
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LOLingBuddha
Netherlands697 Posts
but Cool image is not something i would use to describe anything about Idra now. | ||
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Seam
United States1093 Posts
On June 07 2011 03:22 Artimo wrote: i fail to see how after this weekend he still has a "Cool image" now im def not an Idra fan, but most definitely respectED his skill. sure hes still an amazing player but this weekend definitely shocked even me, i thought he was actually doing great, even being good mannered, then all this happened. i still dont understand why. but Cool image is not something i would use to describe anything about Idra now. Making mistakes in a tournament and losing to the likes of MMA and MC doesn't suddenly strip you of your 'cool image'. | ||
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RedTomato
4 Posts
On June 07 2011 02:20 Nocthem wrote: idra had 5 mutas in prod and over 20 zerglings............ It appears clear to me that IdrA was "mentaly" tired. It was a long tourney with plenty of Big games. These are mistakes that happen to the best of the best. But as a fan I hope IdrA learns to fight his way through victory and not abandon hope that easily! What do you mean mentally tired? This was his first game of the day. | ||
Falling
Canada11479 Posts
Then it hit me how genius Idra is. See, a good portion of Idra's image and bm is built on playing the weaker race. But one of the things that gets thrown back at him is how zerg's sure win a lot of tournaments for being so underpowered. So, with Nestea winning the GSL and Idra and Losira doing so well in the MLG... he's see the walls closing in. No more underpowered race bm. No more 'carriers is a useful skill toi have.' No more "Isn't it funny, you won without doing a single thing" So with hope fading for his imba bm, he saw a light. Why that 'g' key, so little used and yet looking ever so tempting... gg and now Idra's bm lives for another interview and another game. Genius I tell you. | ||
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Ighox
Norway580 Posts
On June 07 2011 03:02 ProxyKnoxy wrote: - IdrA saw that MMA was only just building his gold when he went in for the attack I seriously just don't understand. Everything could have been so different That might actually be the reason though. That he saw the gold being constructed, assumed it was a quick 4th instead of a slow 3rd so when his attack failed he thought it was 4bases for MMA and that would be terrible for idra. Still retarded to just assume and leave though no matter what the reason was. On June 07 2011 03:18 SichuanPanda wrote: I stopped rooting for IdrA when he threw away his Code S spot in GSL 4 to go and play less profitable tournaments in the US. Haven't idra earned more from playing in the US already than he earned during all his GSL seasons? He got knocked out in ro32 twice and ro16 once if I'm not mistaken? Round of 16: 2,000,000 KRW (aprox. $1710 USD) Round of 32: 500,000 KRW (aprox. $430 USD) | ||
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PhaseTwo
United States118 Posts
+ *HuKership | ||
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Kencorp
United States31 Posts
I believe that his constant complaining has prepped his attitude and mindset for this type of failure. To him every game is already a massive comeback from the beginning. So when things begin going wrong it just adds to his already impending sense of doom. It sickens me, it really does. I would sacrifice so much to be in Idra's position. I don't have his talent, his knowledge, and I sure as hell don't have the time to commit to this game like he can. I can't do what he does. Sadly to play like Idra is something I can only do in my dreams. This is why it sickens me. I feel like I am Rudy watching one of his more talented but less willing teammates. Winning is more then about talent, more then about balance, more then hard work. It is desire, it is heart. It is that one quality that Idra cannot claim to possess. "You can’t coach heart, you can never coach desire, they must always come from within. Rules may be learned, and skill developed, But you cannot be taught the will to win. You must reach a little deeper to bring out your best, you must be your own motivation. Keep going, Never Quit, You have to find a reason. You are your own strength, Your own Motivation" The Will to Win by Melissa Underwood Winning isn't everything, but the will to win is everything.-Vince Lombardi "“Strength does not come from winning. Your struggles develop your strengths. When you go through hardships and decide not to surrender, that is strength.” Arnold Schwarzeneggar "Winning isn't always finishing first. Sometimes winning is just finishing" Manuel Diotte "The real winners in life are the people who look at every situation with an expectation that they can make it work or make it better”- Barbara Pletcher "The determination to win is the better part of winning" Diasakue Ikeda So to Mr. Greg Fields I beg to you, release the gracken | ||
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coolcor
520 Posts
On June 07 2011 04:42 Ighox wrote: That might actually be the reason though. That he saw the gold being constructed, assumed it was a quick 4th instead of a slow 3rd so when his attack failed he thought it was 4bases for MMA and that would be terrible for idra. Still retarded to just assume and leave though no matter what the reason was. Haven't idra earned more from playing in the US already than he earned during all his GSL seasons? He got knocked out in ro32 twice and ro16 once if I'm not mistaken? You forgot his round of 8 in the last one. How much has he won in America since he left? | ||
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On June 06 2011 13:29 edc.initiative wrote: I really like this change from IdrA. He used to be the guy who acted like a little child by raging after every lost. Now, as shown by MC's actions towards him, his opponents are actually the ones being rude assholes. IdrA looked way more professional and awesome when he said 'gg' after every loss, including the four games he lost in a row to his rival. If there is one thing he needs to work on, it's his confidence. Seriously? MC not only GGd Idra in the first game he lost, but GG WPd him. | ||
ImbaTosS
United Kingdom1708 Posts
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Lhar
67 Posts
On June 06 2011 14:09 Zhyq wrote: True enough. But, wouldn't you agree that trying to figure out the outcome based on the information available is pushing for perfection? Among many other things that need to be perfected, of course. I'd argue that in the games you're referring to it was his information gathering that was lacking, not his ability to predict. I would expect someone of the extreme intelligence you speak of to be able to determine when his information gathering is lacking. I would say that someone who attempts to predict a game based on limited information and then forfeits it believing he's going to lose is acting emotionally, not rationally. Idra's gg's aren't about rational choices. There is no super intelligent decision making involved in it. If there was, he should be questioning his base assumption that his opponent will play perfectly and that his information about the current game is perfect. These decisions are more emotional than anything else, which was incredibly evident given how he performed against MC afterwards. You seem to be under the impression many people play out games from behind simply because they're completely blind to the fact that they're behind. I'll bet you most pro's know when they're behind, but unless they're so hopelessly behind that their opponent could a move into their base and win, they will try to turn the game around. | ||
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Severian
Australia2052 Posts
On June 07 2011 03:49 Falling wrote: I thought about the gg timing. I thought about it and thought about it some more. Then it hit me how genius Idra is. See, a good portion of Idra's image and bm is built on playing the weaker race. But one of the things that gets thrown back at him is how zerg's sure win a lot of tournaments for being so underpowered. So, with Nestea winning the GSL and Idra and Losira doing so well in the MLG... he's see the walls closing in. No more underpowered race bm. No more 'carriers is a useful skill toi have.' No more "Isn't it funny, you won without doing a single thing" So with hope fading for his imba bm, he saw a light. Why that 'g' key, so little used and yet looking ever so tempting... gg and now Idra's bm lives for another interview and another game. Genius I tell you. I don't think he lost intentionally, but I am disappointed that we missed out on seeing a newly-crowned-MLG-champion IdrA continue his schtick amongst such strong Zerg performance. edit: The people trying to use this incident as proof that IdrA's gg timing is amazing are beyond help. | ||
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gamemirage
United States2 Posts
I just wish I was watching live so I could have had the same epic reaction as the crowd (especially that guy with his hands thrown up over his head!) Though I probably would have been raging drunk by then and destroyed everything in sight once I realized what happened and woken up my entire family with all the screaming and noise. Hope MMA's killing off his own OC makes Greg realize that even top players don't play perfectly (I thought one point of doing things like drops and attacking multiple locations simultaneously was to frustrate players so they slip up). Anyways would love to see some more good games in the future from IdrA like in day 1! | ||
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L3g3nd_
New Zealand10461 Posts
Also yeah that game was so weird, esp considering the orbital snipe by MMA | ||
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