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On June 07 2011 00:23 Treemonkeys wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 00:21 War Horse wrote:On June 06 2011 13:29 HollowYoshi wrote:
IdrA seems like his own worst enemy most of the time. I respect the guy and he definitely played phenomenally this weekend, but I swear he kills himself more often than his opponents do... O_O Played phenomenally? What Idra did you watch? He played well on Friday. He did not win a single game on any of the next two days, and he played TERRIBLY versus MC on Sunday. Absolutely embarrassing from a top foreigner. This tourney highlighted just how far the gap is between Korea and the West - the top foreigners got absolutely blasted by Koreans at MLG. Didn't he place 4th? I think he did very well outside of his games against MMA and the 2nd set against MC.
Congrats, he's significantly better than every other foreigner except Naniwa and Thorzain, and they still got absolutely stomped. He played a jetlagged on 2-3 hours of sleep MC on Friday and won. In the match that actually mattered vs MC, he barely tried and got absolutely steamrolled.
Select got third at Dallas, and he 0-5ed his group this time. Idra's play on Saturday and Sunday was truly awful, and there is no denying it. Even in the "macro" game 6, his decision making vs MC was horrible, his composition was horrible, and he threw a significant advantage away and got pounded. The strategies he used vs MC were basically saying "I cannot win a straight up game so I'm going to use bad all-ins", and the match played out like such. Which makes no sense because he beat MC straight up on Friday. There was no reason to use such bad builds. MMA and MC got in his head big time, and he was completely convinced he couldn't win.
MMA was completely right when he said Idra needs to learn to stay positive.
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On June 07 2011 00:25 Triscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 00:21 War Horse wrote:On June 06 2011 13:29 HollowYoshi wrote:
IdrA seems like his own worst enemy most of the time. I respect the guy and he definitely played phenomenally this weekend, but I swear he kills himself more often than his opponents do... O_O Played phenomenally? What Idra did you watch? He played well on Friday. He did not win a single game on any of the next two days, and he played TERRIBLY versus MC on Sunday. Absolutely embarrassing from a top foreigner. This tourney highlighted just how far the gap is between Korea and the West - the top foreigners got absolutely blasted by Koreans at MLG. He beat Slush decisively 2-0 on Sunday. I don't know what goes on in IdrA's head during these games but he obviously psyches himself out.
Oh I forgot about him rolling over a completely terrible NA Zerg.
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What I find so funny with Idras mentality is that he expects everyone to play perfectly always.
Yet we see the winner of the entire tournament destroy his own command center out of nowhere, we see Naniwa use /dance in MCs base instead of getting things done before the dark shrine is done building, we see MC missing a nydus worm being constructed in his field of vision, losira throwing away 30 lings into mmas siege tank line in the finals etc.
People make mistakes. It happends all the time and especially in a game that's so demanding on multitasking. He does it too, so why is he so adamant that none other does it?
If he had some resemblence of stayer ability, he could've been great. While as it is right now, I don't think he was even the best foreigner at the tournament. I think even Thorzain did a better showing then he did, and proved to be the better with the way he gave even mc a hard time.
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i hope idra finally learns from his game vs huk and mma about leaving early, stick it out until your whole army dies because you never know.
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On June 07 2011 00:51 OrangeSoda wrote:
i hope idra finally learns from his game vs huk and mma about leaving early, stick it out until your whole army dies because you never know.
I think he was following that rule but messed up and stuck it out only untill MMAs whole army was dead.
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On June 07 2011 00:38 War Horse wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 00:25 Triscuit wrote:On June 07 2011 00:21 War Horse wrote:On June 06 2011 13:29 HollowYoshi wrote:
IdrA seems like his own worst enemy most of the time. I respect the guy and he definitely played phenomenally this weekend, but I swear he kills himself more often than his opponents do... O_O Played phenomenally? What Idra did you watch? He played well on Friday. He did not win a single game on any of the next two days, and he played TERRIBLY versus MC on Sunday. Absolutely embarrassing from a top foreigner. This tourney highlighted just how far the gap is between Korea and the West - the top foreigners got absolutely blasted by Koreans at MLG. He beat Slush decisively 2-0 on Sunday. I don't know what goes on in IdrA's head during these games but he obviously psyches himself out. Oh I forgot about him rolling over a completely terrible NA Zerg.
Lets see.
Slush beat: Gretorp, Moon, and Naniwa in pool play.
Then he beat Fenix (whom had rolled his way through like 7 zergs, including Morrow and Vibe) & Ret.
Not a bad showing I'd say. Clearly you are mad your hero got rolled by Koreans.
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So for famous memes we now have:
* The Tasteless Build
* The Artosis Pylon
* The IdrA gg
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I'm not sure about mostly everyone else.
I watched that Match. I didn't stop laughing for 25 minutes.
The single best moment of MLG. 3 Shotting his third base landing at the gold.
It was a 6 second process. After each volley Day 9's reaction was Dramatic, Then the Final volley,
I coudn't believe my eyes.
I mean i've picked off my own units at times, maybe a structure here and there. Maybe canceled an expand when I didn't mean too.
But MMA topped it off. JUST CLASSIC.
Then the game goes on, I was saying to myself wow if Idra Losses, with the gold up, 4 bases vs 2 base. He can Mass Mutas so hard with the double Rich vespenes. This is gonna be one big flock of mutas.
Then MMA pushes out, Some explosions here and there. Tanks blow up.
AND THE GG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHATT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That was the most epic game in pro Sc2 of alllllll time!
I just pictured Idra saying to himself.
"He's got 2 tanks left GG"
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"sorry g/f just arrived i'm gonna have to idra gg" LOL
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On June 06 2011 13:29 GenesisX wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 13:28 saefok wrote:On June 06 2011 13:27 GenesisX wrote:
Match fixing? ...Must be joking right? I think IdrA is good enough to know if hes winning or losing.
Evidently not.
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I think that if idra had played the MMA game out, he would have won and played much better game 2 and the MC games.
So for famous memes we now have:
* The Tasteless Build
* The Artosis Pylon
* The IdrA gg
Agreed
I think that if idra had played the MMA game out, he would have won and played much better game 2 and the MC games.
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On June 07 2011 01:03 okrane wrote:So for famous memes we now have: * The Tasteless Build * The Artosis Pylon * The IdrA gg
haha, love it <3
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we also have The Grubby Rally lol
Idra had such a Amazing Day 1, something must have gotten in his head big time to play as poorly has he did on day 3. It happens and i'm over it now...
Remember he still placed 4th over all and was the top foreigner.
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On June 06 2011 13:27 GenesisX wrote:
Match fixing?
i doubt it, but my girlfriend said the same.  (I once told her about the korean match fixing scandal and this reminded her of it)
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"The unskilled person will think he is better than everyone else, though the skilled person usually suffers from thinking everyone is as good as him"
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The article is on something actually(intended or not intended), idra "losing" in crazy manner (gging) gives him much more attention than winning games (twitter/community response/sensationalism). All this attention is so much positive effect for MLG / other tourneys / his team etc. that i wouldnt cross out the possibility for him to be bribed to do something stupid in some time because apparently its much more desired by industry.
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I didn't think that huk vs idra hallu gg would every get top in another MLG.
Boy was i wrong...
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On June 06 2011 13:59 Zhyq wrote:
Really guys? You really argue that it was lack of mental strength that led IdrA to those loses? I would strongly suggest it was that exact mental strength that shined. It is remarkable to see a player who is able to foresee 5-6 moves ahead and -know- whether (under perfect play from both sides) he will win or lose.
As said earlier, if MMA had the OC at the gold base up and running, he'd have another round of reinforcements which would defeat IdrA. In a scenario that MMA plays perfect and IdrA plays perfect as well, after that last battle, IdrA loses. Why wait it out when you know the outcome?
As far as the MC games are concerned, again IdrA would lose 3 out of 4 of them eventually (again given no mistakes from MC). However, IdrA could have easily won game 4 if he had teched a bit better, rather than remaining stuck with hydra/roach/corruptor forever. That you can fault him on.
Now, one can say that IdrA was tired and didn't make proper decisions as far as his STRATEGY was concerned, and indeed I believe that this was the case. Still, I feel IdrA is not being appreciated for his greatest strength, that is, his ability to read the game flow.
It is a feat of extremely high intelligence to be able to know if you've lost 10 minutes before you do, and that should be recognized rather than criticized.
Except people are human and make mistakes so you can comeback even after being at a disadvantage.
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idra gives up way too easily, I get it - if you are in an unwinnable game there's not much point but this is now his career he should take it more seriously and put more passion into his games, who knows maybe he will actually win
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really - the StarCraft-gods threw away a quite big chunk of skill, by giving it to Idra - thats the only sad thing about it.
This whining boy never even try a comeback when put behind, i am quite happy to see him error like that, because he has no manners (like his mirrorimage MC).
If he may step up in manners, i would really get a fan and wish he might at least try to get a game turn around.
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