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On June 06 2011 14:18 Mailing wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 14:15 Limenade wrote:On June 06 2011 13:33 jalstar wrote:On June 06 2011 13:29 GenesisX wrote:On June 06 2011 13:28 saefok wrote:On June 06 2011 13:27 GenesisX wrote:
Match fixing? ...Must be joking right? I think IdrA is good enough to know if hes winning or losing. IdrA said he would have been dead if MMA had a round of marines coming, which he would have if he hadn't killed his OC. At least that's what I remember reading. Looking at the VOD Idra only had a small amount of mutas and zerglings, and looks like he would have been dead if MMA had been rallying marines to his base. idra had 16 mutas sitting over the undefended tanks, mma only had 22 marines all out of place. Idra wouldve easily cleaned uip the 8 tanks that were left before marines couldve reached the mutas. Then with lings reinforcing and mutas he couldve cleaned up any marines that would reinforce and easily take out the gold of mma easily ending the game WE know this. IdrA did not. He thought MMA was taking his 4th gold base and had a 3 base eonomy and another round of marines on the way while he had 0 banes. IdrA left because he didn't know what mma had. If he knew he had enough muta left to keep going he would have.
How is this even a coherent argument?
"I'm going to quit because I think there are tons of marines on their way to defend a bunch of naked tanks. But I don't really know, but I better quit just in case."
This is what he DID know:
He won the middle engagement. He was in the process of cleaning up the drop that he erroneously thought killed all his drones (which is fine, it gives an idea of what his thought process was). There were about 8 tanks there, no marine support, and a gold base about halfway done with construction. He could easily have cleaned up the tanks, something he should have easily deduced, and force a cancel on the gold CC. It would take more than one wave of marines to stop 16+ mutas. So he should know that MMA would have to concede the gold base, and that would put them about on equal mining bases, in idra's mind. Even so, idra would be a LITTLE ahead since he has a gold base and MMA didn't. That seems about square to me.
After this point, since he believes MMA has another base up, he already has air dominance, he could find it and harass it while rebuilding his "lost drones"
That would be a coherent thought process and thinking 2-3 minutes into the future of the game.
Idra isn't some god in SC2 that can predict the future and the outcome of a game. He didn't know if he was winning or losing. He just gives up mentally when the game is not clear to him. He might be a phenomenal player, but sometimes his game sense is just abyssmal.
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I don't know about you guys but I think the extended series is not a bad choice.
Having a proper losers bracket is also good because it just ensures that the 2 best players are in the final. Not something like a nestea vs inca match.
Having an extended series also means that if the winning player wins twice by cheesing or doing those lucky build orders to that opponent. Then the next time the better player should win either way even if he has to get 4 wins in an extended series (take MC vs iDra for example). So i think it was a good format. The better players were in the finals at the end .
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As an Idra fan it makes me very sad and upset to see him have this type of mentality.  I'm not saying he should use Fantasy-style gg timings, but he should at least try to play games out somewhat fully instead of assuming that the game is completely over. GGing because you just assume your opponent will reinforce with a new army is mindboggingly unprofessional. Your opponent will almost never play perfectly, so there will almost always be mistakes that you can abuse and take advantage of in order to get back into a game that looks lost.
I remember an old Flash interview where he was asked what mentality he has during his games, and he said he keeps on thinking ''LOL YOU CAN'T BEAT ME''. That's like the opposite of what Idra seems to be thinking. That is part of the reason why Flash has made some of the most ridiculous comebacks of all time, like the legendary game vs FBH.
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I honestly think Idra just can't stand to play in a game where he makes a sloppy mistake.
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On June 06 2011 23:53 junemermaid wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 14:18 Mailing wrote:On June 06 2011 14:15 Limenade wrote:On June 06 2011 13:33 jalstar wrote:On June 06 2011 13:29 GenesisX wrote:On June 06 2011 13:28 saefok wrote:On June 06 2011 13:27 GenesisX wrote:
Match fixing? ...Must be joking right? I think IdrA is good enough to know if hes winning or losing. IdrA said he would have been dead if MMA had a round of marines coming, which he would have if he hadn't killed his OC. At least that's what I remember reading. Looking at the VOD Idra only had a small amount of mutas and zerglings, and looks like he would have been dead if MMA had been rallying marines to his base. idra had 16 mutas sitting over the undefended tanks, mma only had 22 marines all out of place. Idra wouldve easily cleaned uip the 8 tanks that were left before marines couldve reached the mutas. Then with lings reinforcing and mutas he couldve cleaned up any marines that would reinforce and easily take out the gold of mma easily ending the game WE know this. IdrA did not. He thought MMA was taking his 4th gold base and had a 3 base eonomy and another round of marines on the way while he had 0 banes. IdrA left because he didn't know what mma had. If he knew he had enough muta left to keep going he would have. This is what he DID know: He won the middle engagement. (He lost 1/2 his muta, had no banes, and would die to any reinforcements.) He was in the process of cleaning up the drop that he erroneously thought killed all his drones (which is fine, it gives an idea of what his thought process was). (all his drones were clicked into a gas, he thought he lost like 20 of them.) There were about 8 tanks there, no marine support, and a gold base about halfway done with construction. (idra though the gold was the 4th base) He could easily have cleaned up the tanks, something he should have easily deduced, and force a cancel on the gold CC. (He would have ran into another marine ball had MMA not killed his CC) It would take more than one wave of marines to stop 16+ mutas. (Wrong. It was late game 3 base, he had a lot of barracks. all idras muta were low hp as well from the last fight) So he should know that MMA would have to concede the gold base, and that would put them about on equal mining bases, in idra's mind. Even so, idra would be a LITTLE ahead since he has a gold base and MMA didn't. That seems about square to me. After this point, since he believes MMA has another base up, he already has air dominance, he could find it and harass it while rebuilding his "lost drones" (Wrong. He was not able to harass all game. MMA built a shit load of turrets. He had no banes and few zerglings, he would have been forced to make units and could not re-drone)That would be a coherent thought process and thinking 2-3 minutes into the future of the game. Idra isn't some god in SC2 that can predict the future and the outcome of a game. He didn't know if he was winning or losing. He just gives up mentally when the game is not clear to him. He might be a phenomenal player, but sometimes his game sense is just abyssmal. (no shit, nobody is saying he should have left the game. It was a logical thought process to assume he lost, but he was 100% illogical to actually do it without checking around with his muta.)
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idrA just devolves into this defeatist mentality when he feels hes at a disadvantage in the game, it's a huge problem and we've been seeing it for months now. Every tournament he plays in there are games where he prematurely ggs. Most of the time he is at a disadvantage but he hasn't lost the game. With all that was on the line in these games you just have to try to play it out and take chances to get back in it.
The EG management team probably should step in and have a bit of an intervention with it because this behavior is having somewhat of a negative affect on their team. After the series with MMA, idrA's series with MC was nothing short of embarrassing. The first three games were two all-ins and idrA taking a huge risk with hatch first and just dying to MC pylon cannoning him. It was a really far cry from the brilliant games that idrA put on to kick off the tournament and was basically nothing short of a complete mental collapse on idrA's part.
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That youtube clip will live forever. MMAs self-kill and Idras GG in the same clip, amazing.
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How was he supposed to know that MMA destroyed his own OC?
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reminds me of HuK doing mass Halu lawl.. IdrA leaves so faaast without any reasoons
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lol Mailing
1) He had 16 mutas. MMA had 20 marines. He wasn't going to die to reinforcements that MMA couldn't afford anyway.
2) If he thought he lost all his drones he's simply retarded.
3) If he thought the gold was a 4th he's a moron, his mutas were flying around he would've known if MMA had a 3rd.
4) If my aunt had balls etc. It doesn't matter what would've happened if MMA didn't kill his CC.
5) It was neither lategame nor 3base.
6) He didn't need to redrone, he had 73 fucking drones.
7) No it wasn't logical at all, he's a fucking moron if he thought everything you just wrote.
The desire of some people to suck Idra's dick is so pathetic.
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On June 06 2011 13:29 HollowYoshi wrote:
IdrA seems like his own worst enemy most of the time. I respect the guy and he definitely played phenomenally this weekend, but I swear he kills himself more often than his opponents do... O_O
Played phenomenally? What Idra did you watch? He played well on Friday. He did not win a single game on any of the next two days, and he played TERRIBLY versus MC on Sunday. Absolutely embarrassing from a top foreigner.
This tourney highlighted just how far the gap is between Korea and the West - the top foreigners got absolutely blasted by Koreans at MLG.
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On June 07 2011 00:00 Holgerius wrote:As an Idra fan it makes me very sad and upset to see him have this type of mentality. I'm not saying he should use Fantasy-style gg timings, but he should at least try to play games out somewhat fully instead of assuming that the game is completely over. GGing because you just assume your opponent will reinforce with a new army is mindboggingly unprofessional. Your opponent will almost never play perfectly, so there will almost always be mistakes that you can abuse and take advantage of in order to get back into a game that looks lost. I remember an old Flash interview where he was asked what mentality he has during his games, and he said he keeps on thinking ''LOL YOU CAN'T BEAT ME''. That's like the opposite of what Idra seems to be thinking. That is part of the reason why Flash has made some of the most ridiculous comebacks of all time, like the legendary game vs FBH.
Yeah it is pretty sad to see, especially when he was doing so well this tournament and had a strong chance to win, it really seems like he just gave up. Not just this game but the following games against MC it seems like he had already accepted that he wasn't going to win. EG really needs a coach that will chew his ass over this IMO.
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On June 06 2011 13:33 jalstar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 13:29 GenesisX wrote:On June 06 2011 13:28 saefok wrote:On June 06 2011 13:27 GenesisX wrote:
Match fixing? ...Must be joking right? I think IdrA is good enough to know if hes winning or losing. IdrA said he would have been dead if MMA had a round of marines coming, which he would have if he hadn't killed his OC. At least that's what I remember reading. Looking at the VOD Idra only had a small amount of mutas and zerglings, and looks like he would have been dead if MMA had been rallying marines to his base.
This , still he quit early regardless
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On June 07 2011 00:21 War Horse wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 13:29 HollowYoshi wrote:
IdrA seems like his own worst enemy most of the time. I respect the guy and he definitely played phenomenally this weekend, but I swear he kills himself more often than his opponents do... O_O Played phenomenally? What Idra did you watch? He played well on Friday. He did not win a single game on any of the next two days, and he played TERRIBLY versus MC on Sunday. Absolutely embarrassing from a top foreigner. This tourney highlighted just how far the gap is between Korea and the West - the top foreigners got absolutely blasted by Koreans at MLG.
Didn't he place 4th? I think he did very well outside of his games against MMA and the 2nd set against MC.
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On June 07 2011 00:21 War Horse wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 13:29 HollowYoshi wrote:
IdrA seems like his own worst enemy most of the time. I respect the guy and he definitely played phenomenally this weekend, but I swear he kills himself more often than his opponents do... O_O Played phenomenally? What Idra did you watch? He played well on Friday. He did not win a single game on any of the next two days, and he played TERRIBLY versus MC on Sunday. Absolutely embarrassing from a top foreigner. This tourney highlighted just how far the gap is between Korea and the West - the top foreigners got absolutely blasted by Koreans at MLG.
He beat Slush decisively 2-0 on Sunday.
I don't know what goes on in IdrA's head during these games but he obviously psyches himself out.
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On June 07 2011 00:22 Treemonkeys wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 00:00 Holgerius wrote:As an Idra fan it makes me very sad and upset to see him have this type of mentality. I'm not saying he should use Fantasy-style gg timings, but he should at least try to play games out somewhat fully instead of assuming that the game is completely over. GGing because you just assume your opponent will reinforce with a new army is mindboggingly unprofessional. Your opponent will almost never play perfectly, so there will almost always be mistakes that you can abuse and take advantage of in order to get back into a game that looks lost. I remember an old Flash interview where he was asked what mentality he has during his games, and he said he keeps on thinking ''LOL YOU CAN'T BEAT ME''. That's like the opposite of what Idra seems to be thinking. That is part of the reason why Flash has made some of the most ridiculous comebacks of all time, like the legendary game vs FBH. Yeah it is pretty sad to see, especially when he was doing so well this tournament and had a strong chance to win, it really seems like he just gave up. Not just this game but the following games against MC it seems like he had already accepted that he wasn't going to win. EG really needs a coach that will chew his ass over this IMO.
Indeed; get him a sport psychologist. Idra has so much raw skill in SC, he would be a complete monster with a stronger mindset.
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On June 07 2011 00:17 Scrubington wrote:
How was he supposed to know that MMA destroyed his own OC?
He wasn't, but he also wasn't supposed to assume he was dead and gg out of a game he had basically won. Point is that he didn't have enough information, got in a negative mindset, which cost him both the series against MMR and the series against MC (sure, he might've lost that anyway, but as it is, he didn't even try).
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Yeah it really doesn't matter if the OC was still there, it's still too early to quit. Mutas are a fast unit so there a lot of options in a situation like that, there is no reason at all to assume the worst and just quit in a huge game like that. MLG is not the ladder.
Compare that to Nestea's last game against scfou which he basically pulled a win out of his ass IMO, that is why Nestea is a champion and Idra is Idra.
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I don't think it matters much anyway, i think MMA woulda beat him 2-1 if idra had won that game anyway. MMA really did show stellar play.
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On June 06 2011 13:27 GenesisX wrote:
Match fixing?
My head exploded when I read this.
On the other hand I thought the same thing about savior.
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