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On May 28 2011 16:44 Komentaja wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2011 19:47 Parapa wrote:
Hello Teamliquid
My name is Chae Jung Won and I’m both GSL Code S commentator and manager of GSL operation team.
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However my interview that was posted on PlayXP was response regarding an anonymous Fnatic person’s answer concerning Super Tournament, who gave reasons such as “1month is too long” “prize pool is not deep enough” “there is language barrier”. I was little startled when the interview was posted as the tone was much more aggressive than I actually had felt. At the time I was doing the interview, my feelings were more like “hmm? Interesting”.
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You don't respond to the 1 month concern and do not even mention the 2 week period you gave foreigners to respond to the invitation, which said Fanatic person cited as his most important reason. Why would you "respond" to the Fanatic person and yet not address any of his concerns? All you do is complain about his tone. I understand that tone and respect are very important to koreans, but this is unacceptable.
Oh, shut up. Don't talk about stuff when you're massively uninformed. The Fnatic articles had tons of concerns that were COMPLETELY out of Gom's hands. Getting used to culture? Language barrier? Cost of living in Korea? Finding practice partners? Note that with all these concerns was the undertone that Korea needs to do something to help. Hah. If I was Mr. Chae I'd be more than a little startled - I'd be offended (props to him for being so diplomatic in all this). He DOES address some of the concerns that the Fnatic articles brought up. He also expresses confusion at how some the concerns are over things that Gom has absolutely no control over, and very rightly so.
He didn't specifically mention the "1 month concern" and the "2 week period he gave foreigners to respond" because he had tons of better stuff to offer to the table. His post had a very respectful tone, so I have no idea what you're talking about in that regard.
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massive props for writing this.
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On May 28 2011 17:26 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 16:44 Komentaja wrote:On May 27 2011 19:47 Parapa wrote:
Hello Teamliquid
My name is Chae Jung Won and I’m both GSL Code S commentator and manager of GSL operation team.
(...)
However my interview that was posted on PlayXP was response regarding an anonymous Fnatic person’s answer concerning Super Tournament, who gave reasons such as “1month is too long” “prize pool is not deep enough” “there is language barrier”. I was little startled when the interview was posted as the tone was much more aggressive than I actually had felt. At the time I was doing the interview, my feelings were more like “hmm? Interesting”.
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You don't respond to the 1 month concern and do not even mention the 2 week period you gave foreigners to respond to the invitation, which said Fanatic person cited as his most important reason. Why would you "respond" to the Fanatic person and yet not address any of his concerns? All you do is complain about his tone. I understand that tone and respect are very important to koreans, but this is unacceptable. Oh, shut up. Don't talk about stuff when you're massively uninformed. The Fnatic articles had tons of concerns that were COMPLETELY out of Gom's hands. Getting used to culture? Language barrier? Cost of living in Korea? Finding practice partners? Note that with all these concerns was the undertone that Korea needs to do something to help. Hah. If I was Mr. Chae I'd be more than a little startled - I'd be offended (props to him for being so diplomatic in all this). He DOES address some of the concerns that the Fnatic articles brought up. He also expresses confusion at how some the concerns are over things that Gom has absolutely no control over, and very rightly so. He didn't specifically mention the "1 month concern" and the "2 week period he gave foreigners to respond" because he had tons of better stuff to offer to the table. His post had a very respectful tone, so I have no idea what you're talking about in that regard.
I think he addressed it indirectly as the thing they want to do better.
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On May 28 2011 17:40 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 17:26 HolyArrow wrote:On May 28 2011 16:44 Komentaja wrote:On May 27 2011 19:47 Parapa wrote:
Hello Teamliquid
My name is Chae Jung Won and I’m both GSL Code S commentator and manager of GSL operation team.
(...)
However my interview that was posted on PlayXP was response regarding an anonymous Fnatic person’s answer concerning Super Tournament, who gave reasons such as “1month is too long” “prize pool is not deep enough” “there is language barrier”. I was little startled when the interview was posted as the tone was much more aggressive than I actually had felt. At the time I was doing the interview, my feelings were more like “hmm? Interesting”.
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You don't respond to the 1 month concern and do not even mention the 2 week period you gave foreigners to respond to the invitation, which said Fanatic person cited as his most important reason. Why would you "respond" to the Fanatic person and yet not address any of his concerns? All you do is complain about his tone. I understand that tone and respect are very important to koreans, but this is unacceptable. Oh, shut up. Don't talk about stuff when you're massively uninformed. The Fnatic articles had tons of concerns that were COMPLETELY out of Gom's hands. Getting used to culture? Language barrier? Cost of living in Korea? Finding practice partners? Note that with all these concerns was the undertone that Korea needs to do something to help. Hah. If I was Mr. Chae I'd be more than a little startled - I'd be offended (props to him for being so diplomatic in all this). He DOES address some of the concerns that the Fnatic articles brought up. He also expresses confusion at how some the concerns are over things that Gom has absolutely no control over, and very rightly so. He didn't specifically mention the "1 month concern" and the "2 week period he gave foreigners to respond" because he had tons of better stuff to offer to the table. His post had a very respectful tone, so I have no idea what you're talking about in that regard. I think he addressed it indirectly as the thing they want to do better.
Yeah, I agree. I just reread it and I caught that. It just bugs me to see Gom pretty much bending over to accomodate the foreign scene and facilitate good relations, and then we have really self-entitled articles complaining about problems that Gom can't even solve along with ignorant users that go as far as criticize Mr. Chae (for somehow being "disrespectful", no less) for doing so much to help.
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[Edited out a bunch of stuff that was just a mess]
I still think that having "friendship clubs" or something like it would be a good idea.
In fact, having friendship clubs, seems to be a solution for both those who say going to Korea is hard and those who say it's not. If the argument is that it's hard because you don't have any friends, then a friendship club could fix that. If the argument is that it's easy to move to a new place, because one makes new friends, then a friendship club is a means to that end.
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It's nice to see GomTV is trying not just to improve its ratings, but to make eSports bigger and better all around.
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Im surprised Mr Chae responded to a self serving article by a person who's involved in the running of a league in direct competition.
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Dignitas and Mouz looks like the ones who are financially stable to support a team to be in korea.
or even better. DIGNITAS-MOUZ ALLIANCE WOOOO.
imagine. Select, Naniwa, Thorzain, Morrow, Strelok, Hasuobs.
oh god. oh man. oh god. oh man. oh god. oh man
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Mm I completely disagree... 1 month for a chance at 50,000$ requires you to abandon ALL other job commitments. That's a huge deal.
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I think this is a great way to extend E-Sports to a much higher level. The word "opportunity" seems very important here and GomTV gives those willingliy to players all around the world. They don't have to do this, but could simply stick with their previous system or even go back to SC1 reality. I like this a lot, it will push players, teams and the whole RTS world.
There might be some issues, but that's ok. It's a new way they want to go and the details are not set in stone.
And I also like the respect he shows to foreign players. Many foreigners are still under the impression that koreans must feel something special or greater then themselves, but that's not true as you can see here. Ty for making this point clear.
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On May 28 2011 18:20 Vei wrote:
Mm I completely disagree... 1 month for a chance at 50,000$ requires you to abandon ALL other job commitments. That's a huge deal.
on then contrary, you can still teach/coach starcraft 2. you can still participate in online tournaments such as NASL or some of the weekly cups. It may be inconvenient but it is still very viable and available. What you lose is the opportunity to LANs if/when the dates overlap with GSL events. However, that shouldn't be too much of a problem seeing as to how GSL is the premier LAN event in sc2 right now.
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On May 28 2011 17:52 iMAniaC wrote:First, Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 09:57 Ocedic wrote:On May 28 2011 09:55 iMAniaC wrote:
bla bla bla your theory is simply not true Then Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 10:04 rotegirte wrote:On May 28 2011 09:55 iMAniaC wrote:
Same bla bla bla pretty much everything you have said was correct. Hahaha, even in consecutive posts  Perhaps it just goes to show that we're all different or that we look at things from different angles (or, perhaps, that I generalized too much). Regardless of whether I'm really correct or wrong, I still think that having "friendship clubs" or something like it would be a good idea. In fact, having friendship clubs, seems to be a solution for both those who say going to Korea is hard and those who say it's not. If the argument is that it's hard because you don't have any friends, then a friendship club could fix that. If the argument is that it's easy to move to a new place, because one makes new friends, then a friendship club is a means to that end.
Err, he quoted me and was referring to me (that I was right.) He even re-affirmed my points and said the European family unit is a nuclear family unit. Not sure why you feel the need to cut up posts instead of just leaving the quotes untouched and in context.
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I think the player leasing to teams is a great idea as it is very difficult for a foreign team to have reason to send enough players to Korea (Though FXO was just announced?), but it should increase popularity amongst foreigners as we may see some non-koreans play.
There are so many tournaments in other places around the world and these teams often consist of players from very different locations it is almost impossible to field a whole team in one place for a LAN tournament. It will also mean that the foreigners that do venture to Korea to try to get Code A or S will have something else to train for rather than having to wait for a month every time you are knocked out of or do not qualify for the main GSL tournaments. I think from what I have read in interviews from players that have already being to Korea that this has been a large factor as to why players leave Korea after not succeeding in qualifying for each GSL.
My only hope is that the foreigners will be high enough level for it to be viable for them to play on Korean teams. I'm sure Zenex would not mind having someone like Naniwa play for them though.
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On May 28 2011 18:35 Ocedic wrote:
Err, he quoted me and was referring to me (that I was right.) He even re-affirmed my points and said the European family unit is a nuclear family unit. Not sure why you feel the need to cut up posts instead of just leaving the quotes untouched and in context.
Eh, what?
* Doublechecks *
Oh, lawl. Well, that was a serious brainfart from my side. Well, I'd like to call it an honest mistake, but it was a brainfart, no point denying that (although it was a brainfart that lead to an honest mistake). Damn, I even thought "Neat, TL.net has a function that if you quote two posts serially, the last one will incorporate the first one" ... Ugh, I'm gonna go back to bed. After I edit my post 
Still think friendship clubs would be neat idea, though.
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This are obviously brilliant news and another step towards the right direction. I enjoy the GSTL quite a lot and seeing the format being "extended" while allowing foreign players and whole teams to participate without any of the previous limitations can only be good.
I'll be looking forward to see if we get some of the top Korean teams contacting the top foreign players to incorporate them on their lineup. Im sure that there will be solutions to please everyone involved, including foreign sponsors and pro teams contracts so we can see some of the best in the world showing up in the future.
Great initiative and good managing decision.
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I don't have anything to contribute besides I <3 Gom. Statements like that are so awesome to see.
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I'm convinced that we will see a lot of Swedes and Europeans in Korea soon, I'm sure they will jump at the chance at an adventure like that. But I don't see any of Americans going over, they're more concerned about making money than anything else.
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And now FXO shows the world how to properly build upon the foreigner's heritage in KR. With Jinro & Huk as merely the most present generation to open up new paths and relationships, FXO will themselves make history by just doing it.
If you read their announcement thread, you will come to realise what the real problem is. It's not Korea, it's certainly not GOM. It's this:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 28 2011 18:00 hiawatha wrote:
tbh I would've liked to see dignitas instead, but this is great for foreigners obviously yadda yadda etc
Also, is oGs ever planning on using their TL players in the Team League? Are they even allowed to do so? On May 28 2011 18:00 Moonling wrote:i was hoping for Dignitas  i feel they are a stronger team but GL to FxO maybe they can prove me wrong and show some competition in the GSTL On May 28 2011 18:01 falafelnr1 wrote:Not to be hating, but I think they are gonna get whopped hard But still really cool with a foreign team in GSTL. GL ! On May 28 2011 18:01 Fionn wrote:
Eh, happy we have a foreign team, but to be honest, they'll more than likely lose all their games. I don't think they have anyone on their team who is Code S level currently. They'll even have trouble beating ZeNex, who compared to FXO, at least has a guy like Byun. On May 28 2011 18:01 fearlessparagon wrote:
Anybody believe that fxo is gonna get knocked out the first round?
Seriously people, what is wrong with you. All this "That'll never work, I'd rather not try at all". If I'm completely honest, I don't even care if FXO will achieve anything.
On May 28 2011 18:00 FXOpen wrote:
After visiting Korea myself in February with Moonglade, I decided that Korea is the place to at least visit for any foreign player, even if the restrictions are high and even if it is contrary to what the broader community would like to believe.
The atmosphere, the training environment, the practice teams, its all a very major part in making players great. This type of environment we do not see in the western e-sports scene YET. We feel that it is important for our players to not only experience this, but nurture it fully, altogether at once.
It comes to a point now where all talk is futile. People move along. They may or may not be successful, but that has never been part of a journey. If you choose the comfort of your own appartement that's fine. Just be assured that there is a world outside of the cage and any amount of time away is full of new possibilities- to grow as a human being.
Best of luck to FXO, and greetings to everybody who may join them along the way!
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On May 28 2011 18:20 Vei wrote:
Mm I completely disagree... 1 month for a chance at 50,000$ requires you to abandon ALL other job commitments. That's a huge deal.
That's part of being a PROFESSIONAL GAMER ffs.
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On May 28 2011 16:44 Komentaja wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2011 19:47 Parapa wrote:
Hello Teamliquid
My name is Chae Jung Won and I’m both GSL Code S commentator and manager of GSL operation team.
(...)
However my interview that was posted on PlayXP was response regarding an anonymous Fnatic person’s answer concerning Super Tournament, who gave reasons such as “1month is too long” “prize pool is not deep enough” “there is language barrier”. I was little startled when the interview was posted as the tone was much more aggressive than I actually had felt. At the time I was doing the interview, my feelings were more like “hmm? Interesting”.
(...)
You don't respond to the 1 month concern and do not even mention the 2 week period you gave foreigners to respond to the invitation, which said Fanatic person cited as his most important reason. Why would you "respond" to the Fanatic person and yet not address any of his concerns? All you do is complain about his tone. I understand that tone and respect are very important to koreans, but this is unacceptable.
why should he respond to false concerns ?
1. you only will be there for one month if you have a chance to go to code S through up and down, if you lose in round of 32 you can leave in only 1 week
2. Fnatic was invited 1 month in advance, not 2 week. The same amount of time they got for the GSL WC which they seems more than happy to send Sen and TT1
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