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GomTV caster: "Growth of e-sports" - Page 26

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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
May 28 2011 03:08 GMT
#501
rotegirte,

Goes back to what I said before. Start taking initiative of your own journey, or else you will never end up where you want to go. -_-
hyperknight
Profile Joined May 2011
294 Posts
May 28 2011 03:08 GMT
#502
Love this post. A mate and good response to Xeris. While everyone complains about problems with the foreign scene and the GSL, you should remember that GSL is what has gotten sc2's progaming scene to take off nicely. The rate at which this is going, sc2 reaching BW level is possible to a certain extent and not impossible as thought of earlier.

Cheers to GOMTv and to them trying to find a suitable solution for the foreigner situation.
"you 6poll?" - aLive to IdrA on NASL Sunday Showmatch, Feb 2012
skullhoof
Profile Joined December 2010
Korea (North)835 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-28 03:10:24
May 28 2011 03:09 GMT
#503
GSL should focus more in Asia. The time zones are more suitable and the growth of esport in Asia is accelerating. Taiwan's TeSL is awesome and they recently invited July to play couple show match and the players had shown ability to play in high level. They already have their own pro-teams which play league weekly so it will be much easier to complete in GSTL. China esport scene has also been blooming, they have tons of good players. I don't understand why GSL keep focusing on the West when there's plenty of opportunities right beside them. There's plenty of viewers in Asia following the GSL, and I don't know why GSL keep looking over them.
Polt was right about luck
elementz
Profile Joined October 2010
United States281 Posts
May 28 2011 03:11 GMT
#504
On May 28 2011 12:09 skullhoof wrote:
GSL should focus more in Asia. The time zones are more suitable and the growth of esport in Asia is accelerating. Taiwan's TeSL is awesome and they recently invited July to play couple show match and the players had shown ability to play in high level. They already have their own pro-teams which play league weekly so it will be much easier to complete in GSTL. China esport scene has also been blooming, they have tons of good players. I don't understand why GSL keep focusing on the West when there's plenty of opportunities right beside them. There's plenty of viewers in Asia following the GSL, and I don't know why GSL keep looking over them.

Cause dollar is much more powerful and west has people well enough to pay to watch sc2? Korea/china/Taiwan has no one that will pay to play. the maybe make almost as much in gomtv.net with 100k-ish viewers as in Korea with half a million viewers.
this mah s#$%$
godemperor
Profile Joined October 2010
Belgium2043 Posts
May 28 2011 03:12 GMT
#505
On May 28 2011 12:09 skullhoof wrote:
GSL should focus more in Asia. The time zones are more suitable and the growth of esport in Asia is accelerating. Taiwan's TeSL is awesome and they recently invited July to play couple show match and the players had shown ability to play in high level. They already have their own pro-teams which play league weekly so it will be much easier to complete in GSTL. China esport scene has also been blooming, they have tons of good players. I don't understand why GSL keep focusing on the West when there's plenty of opportunities right beside them. There's plenty of viewers in Asia following the GSL, and I don't know why GSL keep looking over them.

Gom is working on an official Chinese stream for gsl.
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
May 28 2011 03:12 GMT
#506
On May 28 2011 12:03 rotegirte wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2011 22:23 DoA wrote:
Mr. Chae is easily one of the hardest working people in E-sports and everyone that enjoys the GSL owes him a lot.

One topic I wanted to briefly chime in on is the subject of forgiegn players not getting good practice partners in Korea. The new rules with the GSTL are great, but I feel that it should be made clear that it was already easy to get Korean players to practice with. During the GSL world championships I know for a fact that MorroW played with ST_Squirtle, Sen practiced with IM_MVP and ST_Bomber played practice games with a number of people as well. cArn even lived in the MVP house for a time. All you have to do is ask and something can be set up. The Korean players were excited to get to practice with foreigners.

So my point is this, if you're a player and the only thing holding you back from coming (that is, money and other tournaments aren't an issue for you) is the worry over if you'll have practice partners or just be stuck on the KR ladder, don't worry. The Korean players want to play with you!

Heck, I even 4v4ed with Rainbow once...



For anyone who missed that, i would like to highlight DoA's post once more, since he is certainly more educated on that matter than most of us.


Haha, DoA's post made me feel really happy for some reason. It's nice to see that Korean players are so willing to play with foreigners. On the flip side, it makes the Fnatic articles seem even more flawed, since those articles actually brought up practice partners as a problem -_-
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-28 03:25:59
May 28 2011 03:19 GMT
#507
Xeris was using recent Brood War experiences as a backbone to his remarks. It's a flaw in itself. Like I said, as long as teams and players take initiative they would be fine. Look at what TL did with oGs, or what vT Torch did with ST. Give me a break, we already have an exchange program going. Start taking initiative.
skullhoof
Profile Joined December 2010
Korea (North)835 Posts
May 28 2011 03:22 GMT
#508
On May 28 2011 12:11 elementz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2011 12:09 skullhoof wrote:
GSL should focus more in Asia. The time zones are more suitable and the growth of esport in Asia is accelerating. Taiwan's TeSL is awesome and they recently invited July to play couple show match and the players had shown ability to play in high level. They already have their own pro-teams which play league weekly so it will be much easier to complete in GSTL. China esport scene has also been blooming, they have tons of good players. I don't understand why GSL keep focusing on the West when there's plenty of opportunities right beside them. There's plenty of viewers in Asia following the GSL, and I don't know why GSL keep looking over them.

Cause dollar is much more powerful and west has people well enough to pay to watch sc2? Korea/china/Taiwan has no one that will pay to play. the maybe make almost as much in gomtv.net with 100k-ish viewers as in Korea with half a million viewers.


Lol if esport depends on pay to watch, then there will be no esport. The key source of income is sponsors,China and Taiwan has huge enough demand for e-products(ram,keyboard,cpu etc.) which are the main sponsors of esport, after all it is much easier for korean's local products to export to nearer market and than to the West which already have they own establish brand.
Polt was right about luck
OdiousTea
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia357 Posts
May 28 2011 03:28 GMT
#509
Can't oGs already use HuK and Jiinro if they choose to?
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
May 28 2011 03:50 GMT
#510
They couldn't prior, but due to the new rule changes/format they can now.
Jota599
Profile Joined May 2011
Portugal3 Posts
May 28 2011 04:11 GMT
#511
great post, and great ideias.

but now remeber: foreigners have also to show results, dont blame GOM if foregeiners do porrly on gsl, gsl is already super competitive as it is, GOM is doing the best they can...
in order to live you must be willing to die
durza
Profile Joined August 2009
United States667 Posts
May 28 2011 04:24 GMT
#512
No matter the results of these discussions, the truly positive thing is that gom is willing to talk and listen to foreign opinion. Massive props to you guys for trying to help e-sports grow globally.
Buffy
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Sweden665 Posts
May 28 2011 04:25 GMT
#513
This is just really really great to hear. Awesome as well to see big namers coming and saying stuff like this as well ! Awesome stuff, all I can say
Yes I am
Romble
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada19 Posts
May 28 2011 04:37 GMT
#514
I would like to see a change to GSTL. I believe players should only play 1 match win or lose. The team league is to see who has the best TEAM not the best player. Too often 1 player is winning 3 or 4 games in a row. It removes the entire team strategy and team flavor of the tourney and also involves less players. Theoretically myself and 3 other bronze players can team with OGSMC and win a GSTL. That should never be a possibility in a team league.

The format should be winner of last match picks his player first and then other team chooses opponent. This continues throughout each match.This gives coaches a greater responsibility of knowing their team, picking the right opponents, the right times, and gets all the players involved.

Like golf rider cup, you dont see Tiger Woods doing "all kills". He plays his match and it has the same weight as all the other matchups going on.
pieman819
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia457 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-28 04:49:48
May 28 2011 04:49 GMT
#515
On May 28 2011 13:37 Romble wrote:
I would like to see a change to GSTL. I believe players should only play 1 match win or lose. The team league is to see who has the best TEAM not the best player. Too often 1 player is winning 3 or 4 games in a row. It removes the entire team strategy and team flavor of the tourney and also involves less players. Theoretically myself and 3 other bronze players can team with OGSMC and win a GSTL. That should never be a possibility in a team league.

The format should be winner of last match picks his player first and then other team chooses opponent. This continues throughout each match.This gives coaches a greater responsibility of knowing their team, picking the right opponents, the right times, and gets all the players involved.

Like golf rider cup, you dont see Tiger Woods doing "all kills". He plays his match and it has the same weight as all the other matchups going on.

Heh MC and 6 other Code S players Haven't been able to do it so far. The problem with how you argue is that specific players are able to set up sniping builds for specific players on specific maps. It doesn't always work out but I find the way it is done currently is the most exciting way to do it.
Hi
kochujang
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany1226 Posts
May 28 2011 04:52 GMT
#516
On May 28 2011 12:22 skullhoof wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2011 12:11 elementz wrote:
On May 28 2011 12:09 skullhoof wrote:
GSL should focus more in Asia. The time zones are more suitable and the growth of esport in Asia is accelerating. Taiwan's TeSL is awesome and they recently invited July to play couple show match and the players had shown ability to play in high level. They already have their own pro-teams which play league weekly so it will be much easier to complete in GSTL. China esport scene has also been blooming, they have tons of good players. I don't understand why GSL keep focusing on the West when there's plenty of opportunities right beside them. There's plenty of viewers in Asia following the GSL, and I don't know why GSL keep looking over them.

Cause dollar is much more powerful and west has people well enough to pay to watch sc2? Korea/china/Taiwan has no one that will pay to play. the maybe make almost as much in gomtv.net with 100k-ish viewers as in Korea with half a million viewers.


Lol if esport depends on pay to watch, then there will be no esport. The key source of income is sponsors,China and Taiwan has huge enough demand for e-products(ram,keyboard,cpu etc.) which are the main sponsors of esport, after all it is much easier for korean's local products to export to nearer market and than to the West which already have they own establish brand.

Correct. Just yesterday as I bought something to drink at 7/11 in Taipei, I saw them selling a mouse with the portrait of July on it :D
Kantutan
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1319 Posts
May 28 2011 04:55 GMT
#517
On May 28 2011 13:37 Romble wrote:
I would like to see a change to GSTL. I believe players should only play 1 match win or lose. The team league is to see who has the best TEAM not the best player. Too often 1 player is winning 3 or 4 games in a row. It removes the entire team strategy and team flavor of the tourney and also involves less players. Theoretically myself and 3 other bronze players can team with OGSMC and win a GSTL. That should never be a possibility in a team league.

The format should be winner of last match picks his player first and then other team chooses opponent. This continues throughout each match.This gives coaches a greater responsibility of knowing their team, picking the right opponents, the right times, and gets all the players involved.

Like golf rider cup, you dont see Tiger Woods doing "all kills". He plays his match and it has the same weight as all the other matchups going on.


You'll probably find that you're a minority here. Most people love the winners format, it provides way more excitement.
Kage
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
India788 Posts
May 28 2011 04:55 GMT
#518
So good to hear this! Thanks for your support for esport!
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
May 28 2011 04:57 GMT
#519
Wow this is awesome. Naniwa already said he wants to go, I wonder whether Korean teams "adopting" foreign players will convince more to go- solves the problem of housing and playing with Korean pros in the same house is probably really beneficial practice wise.
nAgeDitto
Profile Joined April 2011
United States428 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-28 05:04:09
May 28 2011 04:59 GMT
#520
On May 28 2011 13:37 Romble wrote:
I would like to see a change to GSTL. I believe players should only play 1 match win or lose. The team league is to see who has the best TEAM not the best player. Too often 1 player is winning 3 or 4 games in a row. It removes the entire team strategy and team flavor of the tourney and also involves less players. Theoretically myself and 3 other bronze players can team with OGSMC and win a GSTL. That should never be a possibility in a team league.

The format should be winner of last match picks his player first and then other team chooses opponent. This continues throughout each match.This gives coaches a greater responsibility of knowing their team, picking the right opponents, the right times, and gets all the players involved.

Like golf rider cup, you dont see Tiger Woods doing "all kills". He plays his match and it has the same weight as all the other matchups going on.


I think the current rules make for interesting matches though.
like the gstl finals, which have all been awesome, all going to the final ace match.

Team strategy has to consider the opposing team's 'ace' players. They should have a couple players prepared for the match up on specific maps. We've seen this from Slayers_Frozen w/ his blink 'abuse' on taldarim altar(Although he didnt actually get to face off the 'ace' of team MVP, you get the jist).
Its also 'better' to watch your favorite player play more game.

At least for me, it would be slightly dissapointing to see bomber dominate the opposing player and has to leave the booth because of the rules. I want to see as many of his games as possible.

But then again, eveyone wants different things and its impossible to please everyone at the same time.

Edit: was it slayers frozen? might be remembering it wrong.




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