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Aeruru
United States22 Posts
There's nothing GOM can do to directly solve this issue but they are doing the right things to encourage more foreigners to go to Korea. When there are enough foreigners in Korea to sustain a good sized English speaking community, I'm sure more foreigners will be willing to visit for months at a time. I'm excited about the GSL format changes and for the ability of foreigners to play as mercenaries. Thank you GOM for being willing to embrace SCII as a global playing field! | ||
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DNA61289
United States665 Posts
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ChocoboRider.388
United States6 Posts
If i may give an example, i know many Korean players who are PRO'S! but i don't know much about the up and comers, but here in the NA I follow not only the top tippy top but also the up and comers and also a few of the wild cards and it gives me a sense of pride to cheer for them especially when they play against Korean's... no offense... just home team  But the 4 players sent to MLG from GSL are taking quite a leap of faith as well.. language/culture break and just the "lost" feeling, but they have to go through it for only 3-5 days, while players chosen from MLG have to leave their families, wives, children, friends, and responsibilities for much much longer, and even though for some this is a wonderful opportunity but, I respectfully disagree that your thoughts of this being a chance of a lifetime. Fact of the matter, pro-gamers are in it for the money, it's their job, their meal ticket, and that's all, yes i'm sure there are more sponsorship deals available in Korea for right now but NA and EU are making huge break throughs into popular knowledge, Starcraft in general is becoming a sport.. not just an "eSport" but... a legit sporting industry that is seen by many corporations as a new method to tap into more sales. And in my opinion, there is more money to be made at home, with the family close, and team even closer and not lost in translation. I do wish the best for the community in itself and think that the heart was in the right place for this. | ||
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SlayerSBriefS
United States37 Posts
People who use money or social reasons such as friends or family as excuses command no sympathy or respect from me. There are many korean pro-gamers who make absolutely nothing, in both sc2 and bw. All they get are living conditions and some food, and they play 12+ hours a day of constant gaming all in the hopes of qualifying for some event or playing some televised match. The sacrifices they make are tremendous, and in terms of pure desire and ambition, these guys would and SHOULD absolutely dominate any XXX-foreign guy who isn't willing to make these sacrifices. This reminds me of what OgsLittleBoy said when he first played his match in the open seasons, in that if he recieved code A he would stay for a year or so, but if he didn't then he would go back to his hometown to farm for the rest of his life or whatever. I can only imagine the stress of being in that situation and knowing that you've bet everything on those results from endless nights practicing in net cafes. And then I have to read about XXX and his whine about covering transportation costs or not being with friends. (which itself is the stupidest argument because unless you are a 16 year old sheltered boy then gaming should be your job and priority and moving somewhere, anywhere for a month or two is absolutely nothing, even for student, much less an adult whos doing this to pursue his hearts dream.) When people mention money they also forget the intangible things such as reputation and fame they could go. Let's take for instance Idra. He's known as a BM progamer thats a great zerg player and arguably the most popular western player. He was also made by korea. No one would care for him if he was just random xxx foreign player playing in USA. He was known as that white boy who stood up against the scary korean players and BM'ed everyone on ladder, and now he can come back from playing top 8 in a gsl and being in code S and do whatever the hell he wishes. Of course, the flip side is if you go and fail in the qualifiers for xxx number of times then you will be looked down upon, but those are the risks that you have to take in order to be the best, if you believe that you are. Well, all I can say that is if you are a true competitor then you shouldn't be afraid to go to the highest stage to compete. | ||
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NHY
1013 Posts
On May 28 2011 02:39 Waxangel wrote: read the last X editions of TL tournament wrap-ups, see the prize totals for every period, and get back to me So here it is: Major tournaments in 2011 Korea: + Show Spoiler + 7 GSL + GSL WC + GSL ST + GSL Blizzard cup + Gainward + LG Cinema3d = ₩ 1,525,800,000 = $ 1,410,000 Rest of the world + Show Spoiler + 3 NASL : $ 400,000 6 MLG : $ 190,000 5 DH : $ 125,000 2 IPL + TSL + 2 IEM : $ 137,500 = $ 852,500 That means $ 46,500 per month in all other tournaments to match Korea. From Tournament Roundup: + Show Spoiler + Feb(1/2): $ 9,700, March: $ 37,705, April: $ 68,633, May(1/2): $ 11,728 = $ 42,600 per month So total prize pools are about the same assuming small tournaments keep coming up at a similar rate. Now, who actually wins them? Take a look at prize ranking for 2011. I'd say in MC, MVP or NesTea's level, playing in Korea pays rather well: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/6UGJg.png) Also, there wouldn't be a drastic shift in relative prize level since there are $ 764,000 total prize pool planned in Korea until the end of the year, which is about the size of all planned NASL, MLG, DH combined. | ||
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Candles
United Kingdom103 Posts
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mapthesoul
Trinidad/Tobago429 Posts
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Exedar
Germany33 Posts
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MLG_Wiggin
United States767 Posts
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izen
Sweden136 Posts
This is why i respect GOM so much! And that you really want to get foreigners into GSL. Mad respect! Keep up the good work gom. | ||
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Bombmk
Denmark95 Posts
On May 28 2011 02:58 snailz wrote: korea is about making money later, investment financialy and skill-wise, and europe/na is making money now. there is no excuse for not going to korea. if esports are not a fancy word that gets these nerds egos up, then by all means it should have all the rules from sports applied to it. in example, you dont decline transfer to Juventus or Arsenal cause you're doing good in porto/ajax/galatasaray and saying you're the best in the world. nobody would take you seriously, right? No, but if you have never said you were the best in the world and those clubs offered you a third string position, with a very outside chance of playing first team football, you _might_ elect to stay in Porto or Liverpool or one of the other smaller clubs like them and remain a regular first team player. | ||
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Sasashi
United States22 Posts
On May 28 2011 05:27 SlayerSBriefS wrote: + Show Spoiler + If you truly wish to be the best pro-gamer and compete on the highest stage, then there is definitely no reason to not go to Korea. People who use money or social reasons such as friends or family as excuses command no sympathy or respect from me. There are many korean pro-gamers who make absolutely nothing, in both sc2 and bw. All they get are living conditions and some food, and they play 12+ hours a day of constant gaming all in the hopes of qualifying for some event or playing some televised match. The sacrifices they make are tremendous, and in terms of pure desire and ambition, these guys would and SHOULD absolutely dominate any XXX-foreign guy who isn't willing to make these sacrifices. This reminds me of what OgsLittleBoy said when he first played his match in the open seasons, in that if he recieved code A he would stay for a year or so, but if he didn't then he would go back to his hometown to farm for the rest of his life or whatever. I can only imagine the stress of being in that situation and knowing that you've bet everything on those results from endless nights practicing in net cafes. And then I have to read about XXX and his whine about covering transportation costs or not being with friends. (which itself is the stupidest argument because unless you are a 16 year old sheltered boy then gaming should be your job and priority and moving somewhere, anywhere for a month or two is absolutely nothing, even for student, much less an adult whos doing this to pursue his hearts dream.) When people mention money they also forget the intangible things such as reputation and fame they could go. Let's take for instance Idra. He's known as a BM progamer thats a great zerg player and arguably the most popular western player. He was also made by korea. No one would care for him if he was just random xxx foreign player playing in USA. He was known as that white boy who stood up against the scary korean players and BM'ed everyone on ladder, and now he can come back from playing top 8 in a gsl and being in code S and do whatever the hell he wishes. Of course, the flip side is if you go and fail in the qualifiers for xxx number of times then you will be looked down upon, but those are the risks that you have to take in order to be the best, if you believe that you are. Well, all I can say that is if you are a true competitor then you shouldn't be afraid to go to the highest stage to compete. ^THIS. He's absolutely right, if you want to be successful, stop bitching about things like language barriers and friends and make a commitment to be the best. It's not about what excuses you can come up with, its about the excuses you ignore to pursue your dream. If you suck and fail, then lesson learned, stop trying to be a progamer and just play SC2 for fun and find a new career. Or you could actually, you know, TRY AGAIN and instead of whining about why you can't do it, shut up and just do it. If you're not prepared to go all the way, don't even try. You won't succeed. And going all the way is the difference between a PROgamer and just a gamer. P.S. GOM and MLG and all the recent eSports news has been a hell of a thing to see, I'm very excited for the future. I can't wait to see what happens. | ||
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sickoota
Canada918 Posts
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HappyZerGling
Ukraine161 Posts
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Ocedic
United States1808 Posts
On May 28 2011 05:15 Aeruru wrote: I think the language barrier is a much bigger issue than most people give it credit for. Being a pro-gamer is a tough life and being a part of a lively SC2 community is important for their enjoyment and motivation to play the game. For a foreigner, going to Korea must be isolating. With the demanding practice schedule, there isn't a lot of time for them to learn Korean, which is a difficult language that has few uses outside of Korea. Since there wasn't much of a BW scene outside of Korea, I would guess that most Korean pro-gamers do not speak much English. (I'm actually a little surprised by this since many other Asian countries like China now have rigorous English requirements in school.) There's nothing GOM can do to directly solve this issue but they are doing the right things to encourage more foreigners to go to Korea. When there are enough foreigners in Korea to sustain a good sized English speaking community, I'm sure more foreigners will be willing to visit for months at a time. I'm excited about the GSL format changes and for the ability of foreigners to play as mercenaries. Thank you GOM for being willing to embrace SCII as a global playing field! There's plenty of foreigners in Korea. I'd love to meet Tastosis! And Huk/Jinro are there. I don't speak Chinese fluently at all and I still have a great time staying in Taiwan/China for 1-2 months at a time. And you'd be surprised how accommodating Asians are to Westerners. | ||
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sabres
United States23 Posts
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cheesemaster
Canada1975 Posts
On May 28 2011 05:22 ChocoboRider.388 wrote: I understand the point you are trying to make about spreading the joys of eSports all over the world, but you are trying to bring players from MLG (a 3 day event) into GSL (I'm not sure whether they have to go through code A or straight into code S so I won't emphasis on the amount of time, but it's much longer than 2 weeks we can all agree) and no other form of league is having a "foreign exchange" program, no other countries are involved as well correct? there are many great players in Europe, Australia and China, but are these country's being reached out to as well? I'm getting off my original tangent for noting the amount of time for the tournaments, the fact is... there is more money in a MLG than GSL, and honestly, I believe there is more fame in there home country. If i may give an example, i know many Korean players who are PRO'S! but i don't know much about the up and comers, but here in the NA I follow not only the top tippy top but also the up and comers and also a few of the wild cards and it gives me a sense of pride to cheer for them especially when they play against Korean's... no offense... just home team But the 4 players sent to MLG from GSL are taking quite a leap of faith as well.. language/culture break and just the "lost" feeling, but they have to go through it for only 3-5 days, while players chosen from MLG have to leave their families, wives, children, friends, and responsibilities for much much longer, and even though for some this is a wonderful opportunity but, I respectfully disagree that your thoughts of this being a chance of a lifetime. Fact of the matter, pro-gamers are in it for the money, it's their job, their meal ticket, and that's all, yes i'm sure there are more sponsorship deals available in Korea for right now but NA and EU are making huge break throughs into popular knowledge, Starcraft in general is becoming a sport.. not just an "eSport" but... a legit sporting industry that is seen by many corporations as a new method to tap into more sales. And in my opinion, there is more money to be made at home, with the family close, and team even closer and not lost in translation. I do wish the best for the community in itself and think that the heart was in the right place for this. How is there more money in MLG than GSL? AT mlg you win 5k if you win regardless if its a 3 day tournament, you still have to play more games then to win a whole GSL. Just because your in korea for a month doesnt mean your playing at the GSL all day everday, to win a GSL you have to show up at the gom studio five times and win. There is no reason why a foreigner cant attend MLG and GSL if their team is cool with it, as they dont conflict with each others dates anymore, and that is why we will see koreans participating in MLG. Okay look at it this way, if you win MLG you get a seed into code s. In code s even if you get taken out in the round of 32 yoou make 1400 dollars, that is more than 95% of progamers make off of tournament winning in a month, and thats if you get knocked out in the first round and say you dont win mlg but you get a seed into code a, with the new format you only have to be in korea 5 days to know weather yoou have made it to the up and down matches or not. If yoou dont make it you got an all expenses paid trip to korea and you can go home and go back to doing your thing, if yoou do make it to the up and down matches then obviously its worth it to stay an extra week and a half - 2 weeks to give it a shot and you can still participate in your online tournaments while your in the GSL too, look at july, hes first in the NASL regardless of latency if your a decent player and you have gotten used to it you can still perform very well in online tournaments, your not going to miss out on dreamhack either as Koreans in the GSL go to that as well, so as long as your team provides travelling expenses i dont see any reason why foreigners shouldnt go to korea to give code s/a a shot, they will not miss out on anything really and if they dont make it far in code a its a very small time investment and a 0 money investment so i dont see the downside. | ||
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cheesemaster
Canada1975 Posts
On May 28 2011 05:27 NHY wrote: So here it is: Major tournaments in 2011 Korea: + Show Spoiler + 7 GSL + GSL WC + GSL ST + GSL Blizzard cup + Gainward + LG Cinema3d = ₩ 1,525,800,000 = $ 1,410,000 Rest of the world + Show Spoiler + 3 NASL : $ 400,000 6 MLG : $ 190,000 5 DH : $ 125,000 2 IPL + TSL + 2 IEM : $ 137,500 = $ 852,500 That means $ 46,500 per month in all other tournaments to match Korea. From Tournament Roundup: + Show Spoiler + Feb(1/2): $ 9,700, March: $ 37,705, April: $ 68,633, May(1/2): $ 11,728 = $ 42,600 per month So total prize pools are about the same assuming small tournaments keep coming up at a similar rate. Now, who actually wins them? Take a look at prize ranking for 2011. I'd say in MC, MVP or NesTea's level, playing in Korea pays rather well: + Show Spoiler + Also, there wouldn't be a drastic shift in relative prize level since there are $ 764,000 total prize pool planned in Korea until the end of the year, which is about the size of all planned NASL, MLG, DH combined. Not to mention that koreans will also be participating in all those big foreign tournaments you mentioned. | ||
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Arathore
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Shadowcloak
Netherlands194 Posts
Betting on teams that will join gstl FXO no doubt they have way to much money they will no doubtly go | ||
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