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On May 28 2011 03:51 Fishriot wrote:
Is it just me, or does it seem like most Koreans are completely ignorant to how much SC2 has blown up outside of Korea?
People like you are so ignorant. Yes they are fully aware the e-sports is growing outside of korea. But the level to which you've inflated how much it has grown in the west is laughable. sc2 is still far more popular in korea than it is in the west. Really it seems people like to overestimate how much e-sports has grown. It's really not as significant as you think.
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On May 27 2011 19:59 shannn wrote:Show nested quote +I’ve already received been contacted by certain team showing great interest and will soon make an announcement which will be huge surprise to many of you Interesting. FXO? Can't be TL or EG (or is it?). Fnatic maybe? ARGH can't wait for that announcement ^^
Defenetly not fnatic(have you seen their articles regarding the GSL they dont think to highly of it), im Thinking FXO to be honest XD
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On May 28 2011 04:45 cheesemaster wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2011 19:59 shannn wrote:I’ve already received been contacted by certain team showing great interest and will soon make an announcement which will be huge surprise to many of you Interesting. FXO? Can't be TL or EG (or is it?). Fnatic maybe? ARGH can't wait for that announcement ^^ Defenetly not fnatic(have you seen their articles regarding the GSL they dont think to highly of it), im Thinking FXO to be honest XD
i think its fxo...dont they have a house in madrid?
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I really like how open gom is being and how willing they are to creat a nice environment for foreigners.
Its kind of disheartening, that we have all these negative "aggresive" as Mr.chae said (unproffesional IMO) posts towards the GSL and korea, and they are being so positive and welcoming to foreigners at the same time, I think that problem with korea post should be taken off the spotlight it should never have been there to begin with it stated alot of false / outdated information now and was quite offensive/aggresive in nature.
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On May 28 2011 04:45 rysecake wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 03:51 Fishriot wrote:
Is it just me, or does it seem like most Koreans are completely ignorant to how much SC2 has blown up outside of Korea? People like you are so ignorant. Yes they are fully aware the e-sports is growing outside of korea. But the level to which you've inflated how much it has grown in the west is laughable. sc2 is still far more popular in korea than it is in the west. Really it seems people like to overestimate how much e-sports has grown. It's really not as significant as you think.
There is not enough information in the public space for you to jump to conclusions like this. We don't really have viewership numbers for entire markets and the only thing to go off right now is prize pool, which the West has increased dramatically since SC2 was released.
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On May 28 2011 04:46 Falcor wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 04:45 cheesemaster wrote:On May 27 2011 19:59 shannn wrote:I’ve already received been contacted by certain team showing great interest and will soon make an announcement which will be huge surprise to many of you Interesting. FXO? Can't be TL or EG (or is it?). Fnatic maybe? ARGH can't wait for that announcement ^^ Defenetly not fnatic(have you seen their articles regarding the GSL they dont think to highly of it), im Thinking FXO to be honest XD i think its fxo...dont they have a house in madrid?
Madrid is the capital of Spain :p
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On May 28 2011 04:46 Falcor wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 04:45 cheesemaster wrote:On May 27 2011 19:59 shannn wrote:I’ve already received been contacted by certain team showing great interest and will soon make an announcement which will be huge surprise to many of you Interesting. FXO? Can't be TL or EG (or is it?). Fnatic maybe? ARGH can't wait for that announcement ^^ Defenetly not fnatic(have you seen their articles regarding the GSL they dont think to highly of it), im Thinking FXO to be honest XD i think its fxo...dont they have a house in madrid?
Madrid, thats in spain you realise. I think you meant malaysia they have a place in malaysia and defenetly have the capital to be flying their players in and out of the gom house as they see fit.
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On May 28 2011 04:49 Reedy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 04:45 rysecake wrote:On May 28 2011 03:51 Fishriot wrote:
Is it just me, or does it seem like most Koreans are completely ignorant to how much SC2 has blown up outside of Korea? People like you are so ignorant. Yes they are fully aware the e-sports is growing outside of korea. But the level to which you've inflated how much it has grown in the west is laughable. sc2 is still far more popular in korea than it is in the west. Really it seems people like to overestimate how much e-sports has grown. It's really not as significant as you think. There is not enough information in the public space for you to jump to conclusions like this. We don't really have viewership numbers for entire markets and the only thing to go off right now is prize pool, which the West has increased dramatically since SC2 was released.
Because throwing out easy money obviously means you have the better/bigger scene right? Honestly when it comes down to it, foreigners aren't going to korea because they know they can't compete/win prize money (except for a few). I hope to see more foreigners who care about being the best, training with the best, rather than just being in it for easy money. If that's truly what the foreign scene is all about, then I hope Koreans start flying to foreign tournaments and take all their money.
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On May 27 2011 19:54 ch33psh33p wrote:
Maturity at it's best. Maybe if most people posted like this, we'd get some constructive discussion going around threads like these.
Wonderfully proposed solution, I hope to see more foreign players attempt to try in Korea.
yup I have to agree!
so glad gomtv is reading TL.net. Does that tell you something Xeris?!
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On May 28 2011 04:53 rysecake wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 04:49 Reedy wrote:On May 28 2011 04:45 rysecake wrote:On May 28 2011 03:51 Fishriot wrote:
Is it just me, or does it seem like most Koreans are completely ignorant to how much SC2 has blown up outside of Korea? People like you are so ignorant. Yes they are fully aware the e-sports is growing outside of korea. But the level to which you've inflated how much it has grown in the west is laughable. sc2 is still far more popular in korea than it is in the west. Really it seems people like to overestimate how much e-sports has grown. It's really not as significant as you think. There is not enough information in the public space for you to jump to conclusions like this. We don't really have viewership numbers for entire markets and the only thing to go off right now is prize pool, which the West has increased dramatically since SC2 was released. Because throwing out easy money obviously means you have the better/bigger scene right? Honestly when it comes down to it, foreigners aren't going to korea because they know they can't compete/win prize money (except for a few). I hope to see more foreigners who care about being the best, training with the best, rather than just being in it for easy money. If that's truly what the foreign scene is all about, then I hope Koreans start flying to foreign tournaments and take all their money.
I said the western market has grown....nothing about it being better or bigger but then it seems you clearly have your own agenda. I don't blame any player for playing in tournaments where there is less competition. Its like telling poker pros they only have to play other poker pros and ignore millionaire amateur business men that want to play because its "not as skillful" and they aren't playing against the best.
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Read through the whole thing. This is what struck me most
I have provided “opportunity” through “system”, and “opportunity” is all that I can provide. Creating “results” is not my job but up to the players themselves, through their will and amount of practice.
Really agree with this. We've seen players like MC run across the globe to dominate touneys in the West, while HuK is the only representative in the east. Not bringing about the East vs West debate but to make it in the GSL, you really have to practice hard.
This is indeed good news for all the foreign players. Hoping to see more interaction and less segregation.
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On May 28 2011 04:58 Reedy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 04:53 rysecake wrote:On May 28 2011 04:49 Reedy wrote:On May 28 2011 04:45 rysecake wrote:On May 28 2011 03:51 Fishriot wrote:
Is it just me, or does it seem like most Koreans are completely ignorant to how much SC2 has blown up outside of Korea? People like you are so ignorant. Yes they are fully aware the e-sports is growing outside of korea. But the level to which you've inflated how much it has grown in the west is laughable. sc2 is still far more popular in korea than it is in the west. Really it seems people like to overestimate how much e-sports has grown. It's really not as significant as you think. There is not enough information in the public space for you to jump to conclusions like this. We don't really have viewership numbers for entire markets and the only thing to go off right now is prize pool, which the West has increased dramatically since SC2 was released. Because throwing out easy money obviously means you have the better/bigger scene right? Honestly when it comes down to it, foreigners aren't going to korea because they know they can't compete/win prize money (except for a few). I hope to see more foreigners who care about being the best, training with the best, rather than just being in it for easy money. If that's truly what the foreign scene is all about, then I hope Koreans start flying to foreign tournaments and take all their money. I said the western market has grown....nothing about it being better or bigger but then it seems you clearly have your own agenda. I don't blame any player for playing in tournaments where there is less competition. Its like telling poker pros they only have to play other poker pros and ignore millionaire amateur business men that want to play because its "not as skillful" and they aren't playing against the best.
Taking the easy way out is perfectly fine as long as you're not complaining about it. But for some reason we have people complaining about not being able to go to korea when it's their own fault they're not willing to put forth the dedication to go. I don't have anything against people who want easy money, but they shouldn't expect to be the best while doing so.
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Great thing that GOMTV takes so much initiative in bringing more foreign players to korea, I just hope more players will take these chances that gomtv are trying to give them. <3 Gomtv
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On May 28 2011 05:01 rysecake wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 04:58 Reedy wrote:On May 28 2011 04:53 rysecake wrote:On May 28 2011 04:49 Reedy wrote:On May 28 2011 04:45 rysecake wrote:On May 28 2011 03:51 Fishriot wrote:
Is it just me, or does it seem like most Koreans are completely ignorant to how much SC2 has blown up outside of Korea? People like you are so ignorant. Yes they are fully aware the e-sports is growing outside of korea. But the level to which you've inflated how much it has grown in the west is laughable. sc2 is still far more popular in korea than it is in the west. Really it seems people like to overestimate how much e-sports has grown. It's really not as significant as you think. There is not enough information in the public space for you to jump to conclusions like this. We don't really have viewership numbers for entire markets and the only thing to go off right now is prize pool, which the West has increased dramatically since SC2 was released. Because throwing out easy money obviously means you have the better/bigger scene right? Honestly when it comes down to it, foreigners aren't going to korea because they know they can't compete/win prize money (except for a few). I hope to see more foreigners who care about being the best, training with the best, rather than just being in it for easy money. If that's truly what the foreign scene is all about, then I hope Koreans start flying to foreign tournaments and take all their money. I said the western market has grown....nothing about it being better or bigger but then it seems you clearly have your own agenda. I don't blame any player for playing in tournaments where there is less competition. Its like telling poker pros they only have to play other poker pros and ignore millionaire amateur business men that want to play because its "not as skillful" and they aren't playing against the best. Taking the easy way out is perfectly fine as long as you're not complaining about it. But for some reason we have people complaining about not being able to go to korea when it's their own fault they're not willing to put forth the dedication to go. I don't have anything against people who want easy money, but they shouldn't expect to be the best while doing so.
Yea now we agree. Gom has done everything it can to try and accomodate foreigners that want to go out to Korea and compete in GSL, we can ask nothing more of them tbh.
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On May 28 2011 04:12 mistgun_EU wrote:So we might be able to see Jinro or Huk in GSTL ? awesome, oGs needs some backup  i hope the foreign team is either Dignitas or Mouz
Dignitas would have been my first guess, too, but both Sjow and Bischu just moved in with TLO in the progamer house in Stockholm. Same applies for mouz.Morrow.
I guess it might be FXO. If I recall correctly they stated that they wanted to have players in Korea a while ago.
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Wow, this is amazing! This whole mercenary system sounds really cool too!
Ty Gom for listening and responding so quickly to fans!
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GSL as always does a great job and great improvements!
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Fxo doesnt really have the top quality players do they? Dignitas seems like the only team that could really compete with naniwa select sjow etc
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I think that the Koreans are not able to interpret the reasons why the Foreigners don't want to go to Korea for a month.
Their argument is not that the money in GSL is not enough, or the prices are only for the very top contenders. Their argument is that in comparison with the large amount of tournaments in the foreign scene, they have less chances to win something that makes the trip worth their time.
If for some reason Koreans or maybe even GSL itself would open more either online or LAN tournament opportunities, foreigners would be more than willing to participare in GSL and in those other tournaments.
That is just my humble opinion.
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On May 28 2011 04:53 rysecake wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 04:49 Reedy wrote:On May 28 2011 04:45 rysecake wrote:On May 28 2011 03:51 Fishriot wrote:
Is it just me, or does it seem like most Koreans are completely ignorant to how much SC2 has blown up outside of Korea? People like you are so ignorant. Yes they are fully aware the e-sports is growing outside of korea. But the level to which you've inflated how much it has grown in the west is laughable. sc2 is still far more popular in korea than it is in the west. Really it seems people like to overestimate how much e-sports has grown. It's really not as significant as you think. There is not enough information in the public space for you to jump to conclusions like this. We don't really have viewership numbers for entire markets and the only thing to go off right now is prize pool, which the West has increased dramatically since SC2 was released. Because throwing out easy money obviously means you have the better/bigger scene right? Honestly when it comes down to it, foreigners aren't going to korea because they know they can't compete/win prize money (except for a few). I hope to see more foreigners who care about being the best, training with the best, rather than just being in it for easy money. If that's truly what the foreign scene is all about, then I hope Koreans start flying to foreign tournaments and take all their money.
I agree. The most recent State of the Game is an example of this. There are just too many players that are crying about Korean competition. These players are not willing to travel to Korea because they know they cannot compete and at the same time they don't want Koreans coming overseas to take their money. Then you have guys like Naniwa who welcomes competition and wants to improve. Naniwa understands that while playing with Korean competition may hurt your income stream in the short-term, in the long run, he'll succeed and surpass. These are the type of players fans want to see.
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