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GomTV caster: "Growth of e-sports" - Page 19

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Crebstar
Profile Joined September 2010
United States151 Posts
May 27 2011 18:15 GMT
#361
GSL has good leadership. They will be here for a long time.
Trowa127
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1230 Posts
May 27 2011 18:17 GMT
#362
This is the most valid part in my opinion, really hit home with me as to how I feel about the whole situation.

'I have provided “opportunity” through “system”, and “opportunity” is all that I can provide. Creating “results” is not my job but up to the players themselves, through their will and amount of practice. '
Bling, MC, Snute, HwangSin, Deranging (<3) fan. 'Full name - ESP ORTS' Vote hotbid. Vote ESPORTS.
rotegirte
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany2859 Posts
May 27 2011 18:18 GMT
#363
On May 28 2011 03:06 Aurdon wrote:
They still just don't get it. Sure they have tons of tournaments during the year, but they only run one tournament at a time.

There is ONLY GSL there. There are no smaller cups. There are no other big tournaments. There is no other way to compete for those months that you are in Korea except to play in GSL tournaments.

If you get eliminated early, you just have to sit on your hands and wait for the next tournament. If you are in the foreigner scene and get elimated from NASL, you can compete in MLG. If you get eliminated from Dreamhack, you can compete in craft cups.

There are MORE opportunities to compete in the foreigner scene.


If you want people to compete in Korea, grow the scene beyond GSL tournaments.


Stop pretending your mentioned tournaments take turns every other week, and foreigners wouldn't have ample time between every event. If you would actually take a total prize/time quota EU/NA is not really above GSL is it?
Antoine
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States7481 Posts
May 27 2011 18:22 GMT
#364
On May 28 2011 03:06 Aurdon wrote:
They still just don't get it. Sure they have tons of tournaments during the year, but they only run one tournament at a time.

There is ONLY GSL there. There are no smaller cups. There are no other big tournaments. There is no other way to compete for those months that you are in Korea except to play in GSL tournaments.

If you get eliminated early, you just have to sit on your hands and wait for the next tournament. If you are in the foreigner scene and get elimated from NASL, you can compete in MLG. If you get eliminated from Dreamhack, you can compete in craft cups.

There are MORE opportunities to compete in the foreigner scene.


If you want people to compete in Korea, grow the scene beyond GSL tournaments.

this is factually incorrect, there are a number of tournaments outside gsl
-every month SK runs a 16-32 man champions trophy
-fxo has its koth every month or so
-csn ran some tournaments just recently
-there were the tournaments a couple months ago, ygosu and danawa
-lg is putting on another tournament, regional qualifiers are almost over
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Xkalibert
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1404 Posts
May 27 2011 18:22 GMT
#365
On May 28 2011 03:06 Aurdon wrote:
They still just don't get it. Sure they have tons of tournaments during the year, but they only run one tournament at a time.

There is ONLY GSL there. There are no smaller cups. There are no other big tournaments. There is no other way to compete for those months that you are in Korea except to play in GSL tournaments.

If you get eliminated early, you just have to sit on your hands and wait for the next tournament. If you are in the foreigner scene and get elimated from NASL, you can compete in MLG. If you get eliminated from Dreamhack, you can compete in craft cups.

There are MORE opportunities to compete in the foreigner scene.


If you want people to compete in Korea, grow the scene beyond GSL tournaments.


What's preventing Foreigners living in Korea to compete in NASL, IPL, and other small online tournament? and Also MLG and Dreamhack tournament can be attended by People who are competeing in GSL. MC, Bomber, MMA, Losira, Jinro and Huk. Suck it up and take the risks(money, time, commitment) to get bigger reward(pride, honor, prestige and fame).




Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
May 27 2011 18:22 GMT
#366
I was really concerned that as e-sports begins to blow up all over the world, Korea wouldn't know how to adapt and become a part of it all.

This post completely alleviates that fear, and I am very excited to see how things continue to develop

Props, GSL, continuing to lead the industry.
ahx
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada132 Posts
May 27 2011 18:25 GMT
#367
What a nice post to read.
Deleted User 183001
Profile Joined May 2011
2939 Posts
May 27 2011 18:32 GMT
#368
Dear Parapa, first I would like to thank you for gracing TL with your presence, time, and goodwill .
Secondly, thank you very much for your concern for non-Korean players playing in Korea and with the development of professional SC.
Keep up the good work with the GSL!
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
May 27 2011 18:34 GMT
#369
On May 28 2011 03:06 Aurdon wrote:
They still just don't get it. Sure they have tons of tournaments during the year, but they only run one tournament at a time.

There is ONLY GSL there. There are no smaller cups. There are no other big tournaments. There is no other way to compete for those months that you are in Korea except to play in GSL tournaments.

If you get eliminated early, you just have to sit on your hands and wait for the next tournament. If you are in the foreigner scene and get elimated from NASL, you can compete in MLG. If you get eliminated from Dreamhack, you can compete in craft cups.

There are MORE opportunities to compete in the foreigner scene.


If you want people to compete in Korea, grow the scene beyond GSL tournaments.

How about i dunno. training?
You got this whole korean ladder and maybe its not the top pro's that use their best strategies you will get better.
zere
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Germany1287 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-27 18:35:57
May 27 2011 18:35 GMT
#370
On May 28 2011 03:06 Aurdon wrote:There is ONLY GSL there. There are no smaller cups. There are no other big tournaments. There is no other way to compete for those months that you are in Korea except to play in GSL tournaments.


This argument is being brought up so many times now, and it is shared by many teams, as we could recently see in these threads. And it is completely invalid.

Some months ago, I mailed one of my EU guest passes to none other than Cella. Yes, it was a horribly high latency from KR. He then tried again, using a tunnel to play on EU, totally free of lag.
Somehow it must be possible for these giant foreign powerhouse teams to spent 20 bucks per month.
Missing out all the Zotac, Go4Sc2, Cyborg, Craftcup, Competo, TLOpen, 4pl, Gamecreds cups? No excuse anymore.
ModeratorWenn ich einmal traurig bin, dann trink' ich einen Korn. Wenn ich dann noch traurig bin, dann trink' ich noch 'nen Korn. Und wenn ich dann noch traurig bin, dann fang' ich an von vorn!
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
May 27 2011 18:36 GMT
#371
Excellent post Mr Chae, thank you for sharing your thoughts with the community, it's amazing that you take the time out to respond and discuss the devolopment of the global esports scene ^^

On May 28 2011 03:22 Antoine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2011 03:06 Aurdon wrote:
They still just don't get it. Sure they have tons of tournaments during the year, but they only run one tournament at a time.

There is ONLY GSL there. There are no smaller cups. There are no other big tournaments. There is no other way to compete for those months that you are in Korea except to play in GSL tournaments.

If you get eliminated early, you just have to sit on your hands and wait for the next tournament. If you are in the foreigner scene and get elimated from NASL, you can compete in MLG. If you get eliminated from Dreamhack, you can compete in craft cups.

There are MORE opportunities to compete in the foreigner scene.


If you want people to compete in Korea, grow the scene beyond GSL tournaments.

this is factually incorrect, there are a number of tournaments outside gsl
-every month SK runs a 16-32 man champions trophy
-fxo has its koth every month or so
-csn ran some tournaments just recently
-there were the tournaments a couple months ago, ygosu and danawa
-lg is putting on another tournament, regional qualifiers are almost over


Not to mention iCCup have announced their new weekly tournament (a tournament where GOM helped them with networking within the scene) which will have $1300 in prizes for the first month.
WilliamDecker
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada43 Posts
May 27 2011 18:36 GMT
#372
Chae Jung Won,

Your response was both diplomatic and encouraging. We are lucky as fans to have you listen to our concerns. As true fans we also appreciate the ability to listen to your concerns. At the very heart of what we love we are all the same. Our views on how things should operate will always be a debate. You are doing a great job and I'm thankful to have you, John, Tasteless, Artosis and others working very hard to make this all a reality. I appreciate everything you've done so far and wish you more success. Thank you for taking the time to address the foreign fans.

Also be sure to take the time to understand the views of your true fans. Maybe a suggestion would be to e-mail fans (who are registered on GOMTV) and ask them questions on the tournament and how you could make it better. Sometimes the vocal minority is the voice that's heard the loudest. I have faith in your team to make the best decisions. Working with other foreign communities is a clear sign of your true intentions.

Thanks again,

William Decker
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-27 18:40:31
May 27 2011 18:37 GMT
#373
On May 28 2011 03:22 Antoine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2011 03:06 Aurdon wrote:
They still just don't get it. Sure they have tons of tournaments during the year, but they only run one tournament at a time.

There is ONLY GSL there. There are no smaller cups. There are no other big tournaments. There is no other way to compete for those months that you are in Korea except to play in GSL tournaments.

If you get eliminated early, you just have to sit on your hands and wait for the next tournament. If you are in the foreigner scene and get elimated from NASL, you can compete in MLG. If you get eliminated from Dreamhack, you can compete in craft cups.

There are MORE opportunities to compete in the foreigner scene.


If you want people to compete in Korea, grow the scene beyond GSL tournaments.

this is factually incorrect, there are a number of tournaments outside gsl
-every month SK runs a 16-32 man champions trophy
-fxo has its koth every month or so
-csn ran some tournaments just recently
-there were the tournaments a couple months ago, ygosu and danawa
-lg is putting on another tournament, regional qualifiers are almost over

and the gainward tourney (I mention it because it had a pretty high prizepool iirc)
Voldron
Profile Joined February 2011
Greece91 Posts
May 27 2011 18:38 GMT
#374
On May 27 2011 20:32 Vorlik wrote:
I love you gom! Continue taking my money (=

LoL... BUt i feel the same way :p
Tryxtira
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden572 Posts
May 27 2011 18:39 GMT
#375
Hi Parapa,

I just want to start with telling you how grateful I am about you taking your time to type this long, clear and very informative thread. I do agree with you on almost every level. I believe that GOMTV is really doing their absolute best to be as awesome as possible and I have to say that the GSL has been handled in a almost perfect way from the very beginning. You have been very responsive to criticism and that's pretty much the best you can do.

The only thing I want to try and add myself is about what you typed about that the Korean pros would go to NA. I believe this to be absolutely true, but that's because it is still impossible to compare the Korean scene and pros to the western ones. In Korea, from what I've understood, e-sports has been a socially and culturally accepted sport. This is not the case in the rest of the world. It's just now starting to get more and more press from the "normal" media.

So what difference does this make? Well, a Korean SC2-pro who follow their dream and try to be the best in the world will get a lot of support from home and from friends. Them going over-seas is simply just cool and awesome. In the West, I don't believe this would be the case. Parents, family, friends would not have the same overall understanding for the dream as they would in Korea. I'm not saying this is a deciding factor, but I personally believe it's something to be taken into account!

Once again, thank you for your awesome post!
Tryx
Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
May 27 2011 18:39 GMT
#376
That Anon fnatic member has to be TT1, he is just an angry person so don't mind him.
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fire_brand
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada1123 Posts
May 27 2011 18:39 GMT
#377
My guess is dignitas, as naniwa was talking about DEFINITELY going to Korea on SotG, and select has been, and with his Korean heritage is probably chomping at the bit for the opportunity to go back.

Whoever it is it will be awesome!
Random player, pixel enthusiast, crappy illustrator, offlane/support
Stiluz
Profile Joined October 2010
Norway688 Posts
May 27 2011 18:41 GMT
#378
Thank you for a mature and well thought-out post Rapapa. Communication like this really helps to build a stronger bridge between the different communities.
vol_
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia1608 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-27 18:44:20
May 27 2011 18:43 GMT
#379
AMAZING!! I wonder who the team that contacted them regarding GSTL is? Must be a team with a lot of money if they are going to send over a team. FXO maybe? EG? One of the Big European teams?

Edit: On 2nd thought EG has a lot going on in the US
Jaedong gives me a deep resonance.
dubRa
Profile Joined December 2008
2165 Posts
May 27 2011 18:44 GMT
#380
As a fan of starcraft2 and esports: Thank you Chae Jung Won for being so open minded and creating opportunities in Korea.
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