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Interesting OP.
For me, as someone who grew up with swearing being as natural as breathing I have to say I would find a censored cast very stale and boring (whether it was being censored by bleeps or by casters not using ''harsh language'').
But that's just me, if some casters want to start censor themselves to reach out to the people who for different reasons want a ''clean'' caster then awesome, the more casters and casting styles the better.
However, for the big tournaments my guess would be that the majority of viewers don't fall into the category of people who want less swearing and to be frank, the majority rules.
Maybe you should include a poll about how people feel about swearing? (does it bother them?, don't care?, want it to stay?, toned down? etc.etc)
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Lets censor SC just like we fucking censor everything else for no good reason. Don't like the cast or the language? Mute it. SC2 is a teen rated game anyway is it not? Don't want casters having to tiptoe around for the sake of not offending 6 people.
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I think that events should be able to cast with whatever language they like but with the knowledge they could lose fans because of excessive cursing. I don't think that any restricitions should be put on any major tournament, we're lucky enough we even have them cast in english. If the GSL NASL MLG or any other tourney wanna stay clean (and all 3 are extremely clean) then thats perfectly fine with me however if they wanted to let day9 rip it up with f-bombs I would also approve of this as well. Its up to them with how they would like their tourney ran, its not TV its the internet remember.
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The way I see it is the rating for the game is the same "rating" that the casting has I consider most all casts to be at around the teen level otherwise the kids really shoudlnt be doing anything with the game except I guess watching is ok but I dont think they will really get any of the jokes that they make that are adult anyway sooooooo.
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Well again fact is that this is a international community and diffrent standards apply.
For instance its not uncommon for politicians to use FFS in speaches here and as a result its not going to bother anyone. NASL MLG for example can have there standards set but you cannot expect the same standards evrywhere and each cast will be diffrent While im sure that GSL tries to avoid them aswell i would not expect a dreamhack event for example without atleast a little swearing any time soon.
Speaking from a personal view i belive it can add a certain passion too the cast and emphasis that something amazeing happend in a way that feels more genuine cause the caster doesnt spend time thinking of the word for it.
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On May 25 2011 01:26 centinel4 wrote:
It is an interesting topic. But i would rather be outside kicking/throwing a ball with my kids.
as much as that would sound like you are having fun with your kids doing that, its all about having fun with your kids, some may go out side and play, others stay in and watch starcraft with there son and daughter?
it shouldnt really matter, but hes still looking out for his kids regardless ,
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I hereby rate Tastosis "S".
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I always thought, that they should get some characters from sesame street to cast NASL.
I would prefer it by the way, if NASL edited out all the blood and replaced the marines with robots.
Do it for the children please.
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you think it's ok that an 8 year old sees the violence in sc2 (the game is rated ESRB: T / PEGI: 16+ for a reason) but you're worried he might be corrupted by some caster using the "f-word" every once in a while? seriously?
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I personally want my casters to speak however they want to. I don't see the need for online Starcraft II streams to follow the rules of american Television. There is obviously no need for swear words, but if that's what the caster wants to say then I want him to be allowed to do so.
Even more so if he's not a caster. If Thorzain thinks that his victory is "fucking amazing", he should be allowed to say that, otherwise there's no point in having him interviewed at all.
(The american view on swear words is hard for me to understand anyways. No TV show in the world uses language as bad as the average schoolyard conversation, so I feel it's pretty sugarcoated to pretend kids won't learn to use words like "fuck" if they don't hear them on TV.)
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On May 25 2011 02:40 GagnarTheUnruly wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2011 02:32 emythrel wrote:On May 25 2011 02:29 Joedaddy wrote:On May 25 2011 02:26 elis wrote:On May 25 2011 02:24 Joedaddy wrote:
Its not about whether or not the game is beyond her comprehension. Whatever it is that you are doing, your kid is going to want to be there with you and take part too. She doesn't really understand football but she still loves to watch the games with me every Sunday. Aside from the language used by the casters, I can not recall anything that I felt was inappropriate for her to see or hear in a SC2 1v1 match.
What about the guys killing each other? She's seen more blood and guts watching me skin deer and clean fish. And you think that messes a child up less than hearing swearing? Holy moly...... I wouldn't even want to see that. Thats where the cultural divide really shows, if you think thats ok for your child but hearing some dude say the word fuck isn't.... we have completely different ideas about what is appropriate for a child, and I would guess 99% of the people in the UK would agree with me. I'm not saying you are wrong to let your child see it, but just goes to show that whats ok in one place is completely different from another, and with the internet..... thats what you have to deal with. You're starting to get it. People have different standards. Some parents might have an issue with the violence in SC -- others may not. Some may have more of an issue than others with rude language during casts. Kids differ in what they can handle, too, and it's up to the parents and not the casters to decide. The point is, there's no reason to pack casts to the gills with PEGI 16 just because the game is independently rated that way. Some parents may feel that their kids can easily come to grips with the way violence is presented in the game, but they don't want them to also be challenged by rude language from the casters. Why make it harder than it needs to be? Where is the good reason to use bad language on tournament casts?
Simply because casting is in part connecting with your audience, and SC2 gets played/watched mainly by men between the ages of 14-28 (give or take). As much as it might offend you, this is the vocabulary used in competitive gaming and between the majority of people that discuss the games together. To not use that vocabulary would in my eyes (and I'm guessing a large part of viewers) diminish the 'authenticity'. If casting suddenly became a swamp of political correctness, it loses at lot of it's appeal.
Your children are in no way the target audience, and tailoring the vocabulary to overconcerned parents would diminish a lot of the casting personalities have come to know and love (in the eyes of the intended viewers).
You should be able to count on casters to be somewhat consistent in their level of cursing, but that's all you should expect. There's absolutely no need to appease a minority with 'higher' standards, especially a standard so illogical that it places more value on words that are commonly used in the real world, but is perfectly fine with extreme violence.
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On May 25 2011 02:44 mordek wrote:
I think the OP and a lot of others are quite pleased with how major tournaments are keeping things PG but I believe what he's asking for is a label so he can rest easy watching it with kids. If there's a mature label posted up front, he knows he should probably steer clear, otherwise with PG label he can have the whole family watch it.
This is precisely my desire. Thanks
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What's the harm in children hearing "fuck" or the like? It's just a word, I really don't understand the whole censorship thing North America has going on, it's such an alien concept to me. That said, I believe your complaint is unfounded, I've heard tastosis utter the word "fuck" a grand total of once if I recall correctly. And sexually charged humor goes way over kids heads, so don't even worry about that. Just think back to when you were that age, would you have understood? I sure as hell didn't when I was 8.
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I think the GSL is always a safe bet I dont remember Tastosis or Doa/Moletrap ever cussing but I could be wrong since I dont pay attention to it. Lets face it ... Gretorp/Incontrol are going to say inappropriate stuff IMO its hilarious but thats just there style.
But seriously come on ... first of all if your kid is 12 years old he most likely has heard everything in the book and more and you probably just dont realize hes not a little kid anymore. Your 8 your 8 year old kid has probably seen worse on TV. I think its a non issue... if dont want them to see/hear it dont watch it.
99.9999999% of the SC2 community is over 12/13 and I see no problem in the casting language for that age group
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On May 25 2011 03:04 warsinger wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2011 02:44 mordek wrote:
I think the OP and a lot of others are quite pleased with how major tournaments are keeping things PG but I believe what he's asking for is a label so he can rest easy watching it with kids. If there's a mature label posted up front, he knows he should probably steer clear, otherwise with PG label he can have the whole family watch it. This is precisely my desire. Thanks
There is a mature label posted up front. It's on the outside of the box.
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im sorry, im not a parent so i may not be able to relate as much. Personally I think making all the starcraft casts "children with sensitive parents proof" is a bad idea. I don't think it should be vulgar or anything but come on, 99.99% of the people watching it are grown ups anyway.
apart from that I think its totally rediculous to be horrified of your children hearing the "F word" while you are letting them whatch a game where people are:
-shot to death
-burned to dust
-splattered over the floor
-ripped to shreds
-molten by acid
-etc.
and all of that with very audible screams of agony and death. But ofcourse, your children, your choice. I just dont think sc2 is a game for little kids at all.
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This is surely a problem mostly for americans? This hypervigilant attitude towards cursing. Fuck is not an fbomb, its just a word. Or at least I have no problem with it. I don't have kids myself, but watch my brothers every now and then.. A little cursing is the least of their problems. I'm also a teacher... and believe me.. these kids already know all that stuff and use it^^
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OP, I think the original idea you've presented is a solid idea not only for the people in your situation but for teenagers who might want to share SC2 with their siblings/parents and explain their hobby to their family.
It's a shame that a discussion about something completely reasonable got turned into a critique of your parenting and a bunch of mindless chest-beating over how little people care about the word fuck.
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On May 25 2011 03:07 multrak wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2011 03:04 warsinger wrote:On May 25 2011 02:44 mordek wrote:
I think the OP and a lot of others are quite pleased with how major tournaments are keeping things PG but I believe what he's asking for is a label so he can rest easy watching it with kids. If there's a mature label posted up front, he knows he should probably steer clear, otherwise with PG label he can have the whole family watch it. This is precisely my desire. Thanks There is a mature label posted up front. It's on the outside of the box.
But that's to play the game. Not to watch it, By that logic if Football could only be played 18+ then you'd be saying people can't watch who are under 18 for example. I can't see any harm in a special symbol showing if the show is going to contain alot of cussing or anything for that matter. It's not hard to do and just helps people choosing what to watch.
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On May 25 2011 03:07 multrak wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2011 03:04 warsinger wrote:On May 25 2011 02:44 mordek wrote:
I think the OP and a lot of others are quite pleased with how major tournaments are keeping things PG but I believe what he's asking for is a label so he can rest easy watching it with kids. If there's a mature label posted up front, he knows he should probably steer clear, otherwise with PG label he can have the whole family watch it. This is precisely my desire. Thanks There is a mature label posted up front. It's on the outside of the box.
Wow you didnt read the thread did you? This is about casts and streams getting a rating if they contain strong language etc and not about starcraft itself, dumbass 
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