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On May 19 2011 14:48 twndomn wrote:
I don't understand the title, the problem with Korea, why is Korea a problem? Why do people use words such as "problem" to describe the state of SC2?
Korean ladder has more players with higher skill level. Korean fan base is much more prevalent and more devoted. These are all obvious facts, they are not problems by any means. If you want something like that to happen in any other countries, you have to raise the awareness of e-sports. You need to change the nerdy culture and increase your fan base.
Instead of bashing Korea's environment for foreigners, why not think of something constructive for your corresponding region?
read the OP and you find all the answers you are looking for.
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On May 19 2011 16:00 Tofugrinder wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2011 14:48 twndomn wrote:
I don't understand the title, the problem with Korea, why is Korea a problem? Why do people use words such as "problem" to describe the state of SC2?
Korean ladder has more players with higher skill level. Korean fan base is much more prevalent and more devoted. These are all obvious facts, they are not problems by any means. If you want something like that to happen in any other countries, you have to raise the awareness of e-sports. You need to change the nerdy culture and increase your fan base.
Instead of bashing Korea's environment for foreigners, why not think of something constructive for your corresponding region? read the OP and you find all the answers you are looking for.
I think there is no hope for him anymore....the OP is a mystery to him.
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We could also set up the same system for code A & S elsewhere in the world under gom rankings for the region and have a global GSL in a touring locale for the event?
just a thought ^.^
Id like to see more foreigners in GSL too but its still pretty awesome with koreans but we all need equal opportunities
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On May 19 2011 16:31 Broodie wrote:
We could also set up the same system for code A & S elsewhere in the world under gom rankings for the region and have a global GSL in a touring locale for the event?
just a thought ^.^
Id like to see more foreigners in GSL too but its still pretty awesome with koreans but we all need equal opportunities
Why does everyone need equal opportunities? You make your choice. Play several US/Euro events and win as much as one GSL or play the GSL itself and hope to win one of those. If you're not prepared to take said risk then play the other events. I agree that the MLG to GSL ratio isn't fair, but they're not the same event, so it won't ever be fair to the players and the organizations at the same time. The pro makes their choice and lives with it. I don't see why this needs to be escalated. If there were only Koreans in the GSL I figure probably 99.9% of the current watchers would still watch because it is obviously still the best tournament. I don't see why this needs a thread to explain why foreigners who probably wouldn't win anything (except maybe a jinro, naniwa, select, and perhaps a couple others) wouldn't show up risking their easier foreign money to win a much harder GSL event.
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United Arab Emirates1141 Posts
Hmmm been reading through the comments as well.
Agree with Xeris on the most part. I guess the guts of the problem is that foreigners simply can't boss their way through a cut-throat tournament. Like people say, the average standard of Korean players are just much higher, on the ladder and out Code A / B. Some of the Code S players at the moment are still waiting to be relegated and I am sure more of Losira, DongRaeGu, Bomber and the like are still coming through the ranks. The standard is just going to get higher and I guess foreigners can't keep up. While at the same time, Koreans also don't want to fly out to events (because they are expensive) so it becomes tit-for-tat. I guess WCG is the final battleground for the bragging rights :p
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New format changes to GSL and a consistent team league are making korea look more and more appealing for foreigners.
Winner of code a gets a direct seed into code s, as well as its harder to get out of code s now, and slightly easier to get into code s. Seems like some awesome changes, as well as a much bigger prize for the team league.
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I'm honored that my article was translated and posted on PlayXP!
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Did they also translate the title to read:
"The problem with Non-Korea"
??
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On May 20 2011 13:21 Zorkmid wrote:
Did they also translate the title to read:
"The problem with Non-Korea"
??
LOL. If that's true, that would be totally awesome.
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On May 20 2011 06:58 Xeris wrote:
I'm honored that my article was translated and posted on PlayXP!
I think we would all be very interested in the Korean response to your article if anyone can translate some of the comments that would be great.
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On May 20 2011 06:58 Xeris wrote:
I'm honored that my article was translated and posted on PlayXP!
congrats! i wonder about the korean netizens response.
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I think a huge problem is that the Code A prize pool is so low.
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On May 19 2011 14:48 twndomn wrote:
I don't understand the title, the problem with Korea, why is Korea a problem? Why do people use words such as "problem" to describe the state of SC2?
Korean ladder has more players with higher skill level. Korean fan base is much more prevalent and more devoted. These are all obvious facts, they are not problems by any means. If you want something like that to happen in any other countries, you have to raise the awareness of e-sports. You need to change the nerdy culture and increase your fan base.
Instead of bashing Korea's environment for foreigners, why not think of something constructive for your corresponding region?
I argue with that, GSL finals have about what, 300-500 people watching and it's free?
DreamHack invitational was 1 day, cost 17$ to attend and had 540 spots, 3 days after it was announced (more than two months prior to it) the tickets were sold out, it was packed, people were shouting and cheering since the VERY start (even before the start), when the players game out the crowd went wild and when JinrO came out people started stomping in the ground aswell as cheering.
As did they do during many exciting moments in the tournament, especially the finals where people where cheering their godamn guts out.
They had no korean balloons to smack, only swedish nerdism.
I'm not comparing, and perhaps it's the lack of alternatives or whatnot, but that crowd was the best e-sports crowd I've seen and I've seen a shitton.
However there are ofcourse other examples during dreamhack winter where the swedish crowd sucked ass but I blame the shitty locale, the industry lightening (nerds shun light) and the lack of clear competition... when games were played on the main scene people were wild tho.
Nobody here dislikes Korea, but I do believe alot of us Westerners are disappointed in atleast the korean fanbase, I know I am.
I like what BW has done for esports and whatnot but I realize it has no real future and that is the truth. Still the korean public seems to shun SC2 and I do understand this because the quality of BW in korea AND the shitty publicity (or lack thereof) that SC2 has in Korea due to only 1 major tournament going on and alot of instability as people did not have the game worked out.
If there had been a tournament of the caliber of GSL in Sweden I do believe the studio would be packed every godamn day and the finals would be a shitstorm of crazy nerds, just look the the photo vacation Artosis had in Thailand (or whereever that was in south-asia) where the fans were wild, painting their faces with their team colours, having shirts of the teams etc. etc. it was a folkevent, not just a tournament.
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This may not be the case, but I imagine Koreans getting somewhat offended or distressed if a foreigner were to win the GSL. I'm going to relate this to the American Hot Dog Eating Contest. When Kobayashi won 6 times in a row, I was actually frustrated. I didn't think "Wow that guy has great speed-eating skill and deserves to win." I thought "How the hell did that asian guy beat the Americans at a Hot Dog Eating Contest?! Who does he think he is?!" I do not know how Koreans view foreign SC players, but if it is anything similar to my Hot Dog Eating Contest opinion, that may be the reason not as many foreigners are competing in the GSL.
I do like the collaboration between GSL and MLG and hope to see some more skilled foreigners competing with the top Koreans.
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Since GSL literally means Global Starcraft League, shouldnt that mean there should be a SC2 league for each region in the world set up by GOM, i think that would be sweet... then the top 8 in the points ranking compete in the "Super Tournament" from each region.
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On May 20 2011 13:43 Misoza wrote:
I think a huge problem is that the Code A prize pool is so low.
I really think this is the biggest problem right now. Code S is the only viable tournament in Korea right now. And thats only 32 players. I really don't understand why Code A is so low in prize money. Until that gets changed, I don't see many foreigners going over to Korea.
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On May 19 2011 14:48 twndomn wrote:
I don't understand the title, the problem with Korea, why is Korea a problem? Why do people use words such as "problem" to describe the state of SC2?
Korean ladder has more players with higher skill level. Korean fan base is much more prevalent and more devoted. These are all obvious facts, they are not problems by any means. If you want something like that to happen in any other countries, you have to raise the awareness of e-sports. You need to change the nerdy culture and increase your fan base.
Instead of bashing Korea's environment for foreigners, why not think of something constructive for your corresponding region?
That would be BW.. SC2 hasn't really taken off in Korea as e-sport.
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On May 19 2011 12:01 monx wrote:
As sad as it sounds, I think Korea doesn't need foreigners. Yes, i, as a foreigner, really enjoy to cheer for any foreigner competing in the GSL but at the same time, why would GOM need to accommodate foreigners to participate in the GSL. It might give them a bit more viewers but i don't think they can still be a viable and expanding e-sports business without having foreigners in their tournament.
At the same time, E-sports is growing outside of Korea too. And that's a big reason why SC2 pro scene is different than SC1 and people easily forgets this. The next big thing could be elsewhere but it seems people are too focused about Korea since it all began there. Korea might be "The Mecca" of Starcraft and rightfully so but foreigners are a bit different than Koreans on practice routines, culture, etc and why would Korea need to accommodate us, the foreigners. No reason. So if pros want to go there, well just figure out a way to earn your code S status. Jinro, Idra and Huk have done it so why others couldn't. If it's too much of a sacrifice, then don't go. It's not just about the money but for pride and honor too. And we, as foreigners, tends to forget about this.
On another note, i agree that teams should get notified soon. That's the only legitimate complaint.
It's the other way around pal, GSL needs Thorzain and Naniwa. As it is right now, GSL has no way of competing with BW inside Korea and their best hope is to expand their international audience. On the other hand, foreign events can do just fine without Koreans -- see IPL.
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So basically, foreigners don't like SC as much as Koreans, b/c they're not willing to give up everything to be the best when they can get by winning piecemeal online tourneys against decent amateurs and having decent showings at bigger foreigner events.
Meh, I'll keep rooting for Jinro and HuK. At least Tyler has a good excuse (a wife).
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On May 19 2011 16:37 NoobSkills wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2011 16:31 Broodie wrote:
We could also set up the same system for code A & S elsewhere in the world under gom rankings for the region and have a global GSL in a touring locale for the event?
just a thought ^.^
Id like to see more foreigners in GSL too but its still pretty awesome with koreans but we all need equal opportunities Why does everyone need equal opportunities?
I think the issue is more or less the name .... GLOBAL Starcraft League implies that it is for everyone, where in truth it is practical for Koreans only. Traveling over there for the qualifier alone is expensive and it should be a league which involves the rest of the world a little more.
What if the GSL would travel around the world for each season just like the world championships for major sports are held in different countries all the time? One in Seoul, the next in New York, then Stockholm, ... that would equalize the chances a bit IMO and it might be a great move to make the thing more popular. Since they are working together with MLG GOM might get logistical support to set up the venues and I doubt there would be a lack of Sponsors for locations and traveling expenses (Pepsi in the US ?) if lots of people show up.
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