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s4life
Profile Joined March 2007
Peru1519 Posts
May 20 2011 06:18 GMT
#381
On May 19 2011 10:00 Holcan wrote:
Thorzain won TSL and now he can compete in GSL? Lets be realistic guys, at least do some research on the players you're talking about. Thorzain as great of a player, and nice of a guy he is, does not deserve to go to Korea over a GSL win, he has another 6 months of solid results before that.


I did.. Iron was ~30% W.R. in BW getting beaten by the likes Nal keke and Hogil, and now is SC2 king.. Thorzain beat him convincingly in the TSL Ro.8 .. And seriously, if Huk is in code S, Naniwa and Thorzain at the least could be in Code S and probably do better.
Suc
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia1569 Posts
May 20 2011 06:19 GMT
#382
I would be really keen to see some netizen reactions to the PlayXP posting if anyone has the time to spare.
echO [W]
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1495 Posts
May 20 2011 06:21 GMT
#383
On May 20 2011 15:19 Suc wrote:
I would be really keen to see some netizen reactions to the PlayXP posting if anyone has the time to spare.

Agreed, would love to hear the opinions of Korea's netizens.
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JKira
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada1002 Posts
May 20 2011 06:27 GMT
#384
On May 20 2011 15:18 s4life wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2011 10:00 Holcan wrote:
Thorzain won TSL and now he can compete in GSL? Lets be realistic guys, at least do some research on the players you're talking about. Thorzain as great of a player, and nice of a guy he is, does not deserve to go to Korea over a GSL win, he has another 6 months of solid results before that.


I did.. Iron was ~30% W.R. in BW getting beaten by the likes Nal keke and Hogil, and now is SC2 king.. Thorzain beat him convincingly in the TSL Ro.8 .. And seriously, if Huk is in code S, Naniwa and Thorzain at the least could be in Code S and probably do better.


What does BW career have to do with SC2 career? Also Thorzain beat MC by 1 game if I'm not mistaken. Other than that though I agree Thorzain could probably do great in GSL, though I have heard that he does not perform as well in live events.
s4life
Profile Joined March 2007
Peru1519 Posts
May 20 2011 06:36 GMT
#385
On May 20 2011 15:27 JKira wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2011 15:18 s4life wrote:
On May 19 2011 10:00 Holcan wrote:
Thorzain won TSL and now he can compete in GSL? Lets be realistic guys, at least do some research on the players you're talking about. Thorzain as great of a player, and nice of a guy he is, does not deserve to go to Korea over a GSL win, he has another 6 months of solid results before that.


I did.. Iron was ~30% W.R. in BW getting beaten by the likes Nal keke and Hogil, and now is SC2 king.. Thorzain beat him convincingly in the TSL Ro.8 .. And seriously, if Huk is in code S, Naniwa and Thorzain at the least could be in Code S and probably do better.


What does BW career have to do with SC2 career? Also Thorzain beat MC by 1 game if I'm not mistaken. Other than that though I agree Thorzain could probably do great in GSL, though I have heard that he does not perform as well in live events.


The point is Iron isn't Flash or Jaedong... he doesn't really come close to having 400-500APM, the game sense, the decision making and work ethic of those two monsters. Foreigners can really compete as Thorzain showed in the TSL. Oh the TSL final was a live event, what you heard is something Naniwa said in an pre-game interview to psych him out.
Severedevil
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4838 Posts
May 20 2011 06:52 GMT
#386
On May 20 2011 15:18 s4life wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2011 10:00 Holcan wrote:
Thorzain won TSL and now he can compete in GSL? Lets be realistic guys, at least do some research on the players you're talking about. Thorzain as great of a player, and nice of a guy he is, does not deserve to go to Korea over a GSL win, he has another 6 months of solid results before that.


I did.. Iron was ~30% W.R. in BW getting beaten by the likes Nal keke and Hogil, and now is SC2 king.. Thorzain beat him convincingly in the TSL Ro.8 .. And seriously, if Huk is in code S, Naniwa and Thorzain at the least could be in Code S and probably do better.

Indeed.

I wouldn't expect Thorzain or Naniwa to win GSL (particularly since they'd have to adapt to different housing/living/practice circumstances) but certainly they could compete in Code S without embarrassing themselves.
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Mikilatov
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States3897 Posts
May 20 2011 07:20 GMT
#387
Xeris, you hit the nail so directly on the head that it defied physics and it shot through the world. I think direct code S seeds are really the only way to make it appealing enough to be worthwhile.

You've gotta give Gom a lot of credit for all this foreign involvement though, they really are trying. The truth of the matter is, I don't think it's very economical for any party to send a player to Korea, really.
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Deleted User 183001
Profile Joined May 2011
2939 Posts
May 20 2011 07:30 GMT
#388
Well said Xeris.
IMO, there's so much more opportunity outside of Korea that it's just not worth going there just to compete in the GSL. I think players like Idra, Ret, and HayprO made the right choice. Jinro and HuK are extremely dedicated. I wish them the best of success in the GSL, but if they ultimately decide to return to the non-Korean scene, I can fully understand that.
Patriot.dlk
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Sweden5462 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-20 07:41:12
May 20 2011 07:40 GMT
#389
I loved this. It's very hard to not see this logic. Also, starcraft 2 gamers are old man... I mean not all of them are but many. They can't just move for a month so the online idea is splendid
Crazyeyes
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada1342 Posts
May 20 2011 08:17 GMT
#390
This was a good read, and although I knew a lot of this information, I still found it quite informative.

Really curiuos to see the Korean netizen reactions to this article.

As for this...


Sure it's amazing to see foreigners in Korea, and everyone loved all the footage of the pros at the GOM house practicing and having fun, but spectators don't get to see or know about the behind the scenes organizational stuff that makes working with GOM and getting people to Korea really difficult.


Videos? Where? I cant find them x_x
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viii
Profile Joined March 2011
United States266 Posts
May 20 2011 08:20 GMT
#391
I think inviting people into Code S directly is a bad idea, they did that in Code A and it was a disaster in the foreigners part, since barely two people got out of the first round. It also wasted spots for great koreans to play.

The part where Code A becomes online is kinda problematic, because thats one way for GOM to make revenue and how can they cast it?, from replays?

I think the best way for it to become foreigner friendly is that, they make each tourney a week shorter, but i guess if you cant do that if you want to cast all games live.
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Sprouter
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1724 Posts
May 20 2011 08:45 GMT
#392
all day tournaments that happen over a weekend/week like mlg but in korea would be great
EdSlyB
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Portugal1621 Posts
May 20 2011 09:21 GMT
#393
Great reading.

I'm also of the opinion that the GSL/MLG exchange won't work out (at least for foreigners) because its very diferent for a players do a 3 day commitment (MLG) and do one month commitment (GSL). The good side is that at least they are looking with better eyes to the foreign scene and are trying to integrate both scenes and make SC2 as global and interesting as they can.
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lightrise
Profile Joined March 2008
United States1355 Posts
May 20 2011 09:26 GMT
#394
Really great post. Im glad someone took the time to sit down and identify the problems about Korea. The biggest thing also which Incontrol loves to point out is the fact that you cannot make any money over there in a 1 month period when your exclusively playing code A. There is much more prize money to be won at other tournaments. The direct invite to code S would definitely change that.
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pieman819
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia457 Posts
May 20 2011 09:36 GMT
#395
On May 20 2011 17:20 viii wrote:
I think inviting people into Code S directly is a bad idea, they did that in Code A and it was a disaster in the foreigners part, since barely two people got out of the first round. It also wasted spots for great koreans to play.

The part where Code A becomes online is kinda problematic, because thats one way for GOM to make revenue and how can they cast it?, from replays?

I think the best way for it to become foreigner friendly is that, they make each tourney a week shorter, but i guess if you cant do that if you want to cast all games live.

Those were just random guys who were in korea getting invites, this is people placing high in one of the top foreign tournaments. Lets look at previous MLG winners, Huk, Idra, Jinro and Naniwa 3 of these guys have already been to Korea and shown that they can compete at code S level.

I agree that code A being online would be silly but Online Code B (or at least the ability for foreigners to attept code B) might be something they could look into.
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laurine90
Profile Joined May 2011
Serbia33 Posts
May 20 2011 09:54 GMT
#396
but isnt playing online on korean server from eu or na induce such a lag cmd that you rly need to be twice better(unlikely) to win ? i mean tsl 3 mvp nestea mc
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pieman819
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia457 Posts
May 20 2011 09:56 GMT
#397
On May 20 2011 18:54 laurine90 wrote:
but isnt playing online on korean server from eu or na induce such a lag cmd that you rly need to be twice better(unlikely) to win ? i mean tsl 3 mvp nestea mc

yeah but its better than nothing.
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JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
May 20 2011 09:58 GMT
#398
On May 18 2011 05:20 Xeris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2011 05:13 Antoine wrote:
On May 18 2011 05:10 Yaotzin wrote:
On May 18 2011 05:09 Xeris wrote:
It's a Code A invite, unless I'm horribly mistaken...

Hey Habit!!

My understanding is that this MLG is only like 3 Code A invites, but future MLGs will be winner gets Code S + a few Code As.

Can someone clarify?

yes, that's correct. for MLGs after columbus, 1st place will go into code S. the next 3 players if 1st place is non-korean or next 4 players is 1st place is korean will have a spot in code A.

nice writeup xeris, i'd send this to torch/junkka,/chae jungwon if i were you. while it helps us to understand, it would help them to improve.


Ah okay, I didn't know that 1st place (after Columbus) gets a Code S spot. BUT, I still don't think this is enough. After Columbus, you'll probably have 6-7 Koreans instead of 4. There is a high probability that a Korean will win MLG as long as Koreans are still attending. So the Code S spot could realistically go to a Korean every single season. Especially given that 1st gets into Code S, you could likely see a LOT of Koreans go just for the Code S chance (play for 1 month in Code A, or play for 3 days and get Code S).




In the most ideal case, the players to be sent to MLG should already be Code S.
(they are determined by a point system)
sharky246
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
1197 Posts
May 20 2011 10:00 GMT
#399
I hate to say this and i neva thought of the idea before but i think sc2 in korea would be much better (as in more tourneys like elsewhere) if gom didn't have a monopoly over the sc2 scene in sk, although they would probably be dead if they didn't. Speaking of which, their exclusive rights expires approximately 2 years so we'll see how that goes.
On January 03 2011 13:14 IdrA wrote: being high on the ladder doesnt get you any closer to your goal. Avoiding practice to protect your rating is absurd. If you want to be good go play 40 games a day and stop thinking about becoming a pro.
Parcelleus
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia1662 Posts
May 20 2011 10:03 GMT
#400
The problem isnt Korea, its everywhere else. Western hype anyone ?
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